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Re: M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

#2021 Post by foodcoats » Fri May 01, 2020 12:56 am

It strikes me that if Chaqa was trying to recruit via +1s he would not have said he has an ability that uses +1s. He'd lay low I think.

Also... Donny asked people to rank their powers... any chance he was an Absorber or whatever? Power Thief? Is there a town version of that ability?

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Re: M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

#2022 Post by xorxes » Fri May 01, 2020 1:02 am

foodcoats wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 12:56 am
It strikes me that if Chaqa was trying to recruit via +1s he would not have said he has an ability that uses +1s. He'd lay low I think.

Also... Donny asked people to rank their powers... any chance he was an Absorber or whatever? Power Thief? Is there a town version of that ability?
If Donny was town he had to be Tracker. I refuse to consider any other option.

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Re: M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

#2023 Post by Chaqa » Fri May 01, 2020 1:07 am

bozotheclown wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 12:45 am
Chaqa wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 12:21 am
xorxes wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 12:19 am


I don't see why he needs to be so mysterious about it if it means what I think it means, but ok, I guess it can wait.
I'll leave disclosure up to him. My half of this is basically done. I'm somewhat trying to obfuscate as he's more valuable to town than I am.
If you were worried emc is scum and that he would NK you if he is scum, how do you know he isn't scum since you do not know if you were a NK target?
I don't. Hence why I'm trying to explain the EMC situation better.

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#2024 Post by e.m.c^42 » Fri May 01, 2020 1:10 am

xorxes wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 12:51 am
e.m.c^42 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 12:46 am
I am going to comment that it's not necessarily that Donny had a role related to me, but it's also quite possible that I had a role related to him.
But given that he is dead, it is hard to imagine why you need to keep it a seret anymore. You say it's better for town if it remains a secret, but then it is not an obvious thing like that you two shared a QT. It can't be Lover because you would not know his role in that case. Maybe I'm just not knowledgeable enough about potential roles.
Good points, I think bozo will not move on unless I give him more so here are some options for y'all

It's quite possible that we were 3P together. It's possible that we were masons. It's possible that I had a instant scan that I used before his flip. Maybe I janitored him. Maybe I'm a ability/role thief and stole his role. Perhaps I was his backup and now does not want to reveal whether I am new tracker or not. Perhaps I'm a limited lie detector who tested a statement.

I could've had a requirement satisfied by his death. I could've tried recruiting him. He could've tried recruiting me. I got an item from him. And so forth, on and on but I am getting lazy lol

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Re: M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

#2025 Post by xorxes » Fri May 01, 2020 1:10 am

Chaqa wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:07 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 12:45 am
Chaqa wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 12:21 am


I'll leave disclosure up to him. My half of this is basically done. I'm somewhat trying to obfuscate as he's more valuable to town than I am.
If you were worried emc is scum and that he would NK you if he is scum, how do you know he isn't scum since you do not know if you were a NK target?
I don't. Hence why I'm trying to explain the EMC situation better.
So are you comfortable with emc being town with a power that he could use to verify that Donny was the Tracker? Or was Donny lying about being the Tracker?

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Re: M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

#2026 Post by e.m.c^42 » Fri May 01, 2020 1:11 am

Vecna wrote:
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ill probably only be active for the second part of today. wifeys bday
You're married? Didn't know that lol, you seemed young.

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Re: M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

#2027 Post by Chaqa » Fri May 01, 2020 1:12 am

xorxes wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:10 am
Chaqa wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:07 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 12:45 am


If you were worried emc is scum and that he would NK you if he is scum, how do you know he isn't scum since you do not know if you were a NK target?
I don't. Hence why I'm trying to explain the EMC situation better.
So are you comfortable with emc being town with a power that he could use to verify that Donny was the Tracker? Or was Donny lying about being the Tracker?
If we verify EMC's power (which we could have done today if brain hadn't blabbed about what happened with foodcoats IMMEDIATELY) we would verify that Donny was Tracker as well.

I actually find brain outting foodcoats so quickly to be a bit anti-town.

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#2028 Post by xorxes » Fri May 01, 2020 1:13 am

e.m.c^42 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:10 am
xorxes wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 12:51 am
e.m.c^42 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 12:46 am
I am going to comment that it's not necessarily that Donny had a role related to me, but it's also quite possible that I had a role related to him.
But given that he is dead, it is hard to imagine why you need to keep it a seret anymore. You say it's better for town if it remains a secret, but then it is not an obvious thing like that you two shared a QT. It can't be Lover because you would not know his role in that case. Maybe I'm just not knowledgeable enough about potential roles.
Good points, I think bozo will not move on unless I give him more so here are some options for y'all

It's quite possible that we were 3P together. It's possible that we were masons. It's possible that I had a instant scan that I used before his flip. Maybe I janitored him. Maybe I'm a ability/role thief and stole his role. Perhaps I was his backup and now does not want to reveal whether I am new tracker or not. Perhaps I'm a limited lie detector who tested a statement.

I could've had a requirement satisfied by his death. I could've tried recruiting him. He could've tried recruiting me. I got an item from him. And so forth, on and on but I am getting lazy lol
OK, some of those make more sense than others. I'll think about it.

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#2029 Post by Chaqa » Fri May 01, 2020 1:17 am

@xorxes
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You four specifically - simple yes or no question: is your role confirmable as town at some point?

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#2030 Post by e.m.c^42 » Fri May 01, 2020 1:18 am

Chaqa wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:12 am
If we verify EMC's power (which we could have done today if brain hadn't blabbed about what happened with foodcoats IMMEDIATELY) we would verify that Donny was Tracker as well.

I actually find brain outting foodcoats so quickly to be a bit anti-town.
You think it possible that brain is scum or 3P who outed food, because he was safe from any scum night actions?

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#2031 Post by e.m.c^42 » Fri May 01, 2020 1:19 am

I forget at times that Chaqa is supposed to be still reasonably suspicious of me lmao

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#2032 Post by rdrivera2005 » Fri May 01, 2020 1:19 am

xorxes wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:02 am
foodcoats wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 12:56 am
It strikes me that if Chaqa was trying to recruit via +1s he would not have said he has an ability that uses +1s. He'd lay low I think.

Also... Donny asked people to rank their powers... any chance he was an Absorber or whatever? Power Thief? Is there a town version of that ability?
If Donny was town he had to be Tracker. I refuse to consider any other option.
Agree. It doesn´t make sense for a town who accepted his faith the way he did to fakeclaim.
I tend to believe emc on this, as I was already townreading him on D1. The good part of it it´s we start to have a pretty solid group of clears or semi-clears and more roles can be probably proved later.

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#2033 Post by Chaqa » Fri May 01, 2020 1:20 am

e.m.c^42 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:18 am
Chaqa wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:12 am
If we verify EMC's power (which we could have done today if brain hadn't blabbed about what happened with foodcoats IMMEDIATELY) we would verify that Donny was Tracker as well.

I actually find brain outting foodcoats so quickly to be a bit anti-town.
You think it possible that brain is scum or 3P who outed food, because he was safe from any scum night actions?
I think scum does not have daychat, and Brain was the one delivering the kill, and was trying to relay the information about what happened to his teammates.

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#2034 Post by Chaqa » Fri May 01, 2020 1:20 am

e.m.c^42 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:19 am
I forget at times that Chaqa is supposed to be still reasonably suspicious of me lmao
Eh, the biggest risk to me was last night. At this point, if you're scum, the risk is all on you and you know why lol

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#2035 Post by xorxes » Fri May 01, 2020 1:23 am

Chaqa wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:17 am
@xorxes
@bozo
@brain
@Jamiet

You four specifically - simple yes or no question: is your role confirmable as town at some point?
Mechanically? I don't think so.

I doubt any role is mechanically fool proof town confirmable, unless it involves a statement from the GM a la Innocent Child that discloses alignment and not just role. But some roles are more or less likely to be town, and whether you use it for town's benefit or not.

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#2036 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri May 01, 2020 1:25 am

Chaqa wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:17 am
@xorxes
@bozo
@brain
@Jamiet

You four specifically - simple yes or no question: is your role confirmable as town at some point?
No (outside of me dying and flipping town).

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#2037 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri May 01, 2020 1:25 am

Why is Chaqa asking this question?

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#2038 Post by Chaqa » Fri May 01, 2020 1:26 am

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:25 am
Why is Chaqa asking this question?
I have my reasons. I'm trying to sort out as much info for later as I can.

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#2039 Post by xorxes » Fri May 01, 2020 1:28 am

Chaqa wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:20 am
e.m.c^42 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:18 am
Chaqa wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:12 am
If we verify EMC's power (which we could have done today if brain hadn't blabbed about what happened with foodcoats IMMEDIATELY) we would verify that Donny was Tracker as well.

I actually find brain outting foodcoats so quickly to be a bit anti-town.
You think it possible that brain is scum or 3P who outed food, because he was safe from any scum night actions?
I think scum does not have daychat, and Brain was the one delivering the kill, and was trying to relay the information about what happened to his teammates.
I don't believe he figured out what happened immediately. He thought it was a Commuter, in which case his claim would have been way more risky for scum than outing the Lightning Rod.

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#2040 Post by Chaqa » Fri May 01, 2020 1:30 am

xorxes wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:28 am
Chaqa wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:20 am
e.m.c^42 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:18 am


You think it possible that brain is scum or 3P who outed food, because he was safe from any scum night actions?
I think scum does not have daychat, and Brain was the one delivering the kill, and was trying to relay the information about what happened to his teammates.
I don't believe he figured out what happened immediately. He thought it was a Commuter, in which case his claim would have been way more risky for scum than outing the Lightning Rod.
That's reasonable, I suppose.

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