M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[xorxes]

It's not perfect, no. And I'm not saying that scum can predict exactly how they will be interpreted. I'm just saying they are more careful about it in a way that town isn't, and I think that's a useful lesson from recent games.

Also I'm not sure why you quoted that particular snippet?

Because Jamie was scum and you were townreading him for doing something careless that "scum would never do".

I think you've chosen a poor example from last game, one that's more the reverse of my point. Jamiet made (or manufactured) a mistake as scum that looked (to me) like a mistake a townie would not have made. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about scum being more careful to not look scummy, and town being less careful about it.

The relevant examples from last game are Damo and Worcej.

I chose your read of Jamie because it shows that your point does not always apply. I was not looking for an example to support your point, I was looking for an example to counter it. Scum try to be careful, but sometimes they get careless. I very much doubt that Jamie manufactured that mistake. And town usually try to be careful as well, at least some town do.

Now I'm wondering if the mistake you made there was a real towny mistake, or one you manufactured to look towny...

[Foxcastle]

Because Jamie was scum and you were townreading him for doing something careless that "scum would never do".

I think you've chosen a poor example from last game, one that's more the reverse of my point. Jamiet made (or manufactured) a mistake as scum that looked (to me) like a mistake a townie would not have made. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about scum being more careful to not look scummy, and town being less careful about it.

The relevant examples from last game are Damo and Worcej.

I chose your read of Jamie because it shows that your point does not always apply. I was not looking for an example to support your point, I was looking for an example to counter it. Scum try to be careful, but sometimes they get careless. I very much doubt that Jamie manufactured that mistake. And town usually try to be careful as well, at least some town do.

Now I'm wondering if the mistake you made there was a real towny mistake, or one you manufactured to look towny...

First of all, I am not insisting my point always applies. Secondly, you've still missed, it, and your counterexample is beside the point. If you want to find an actual counter-example, go find a statement by Damo, Worcej, or Jamiet from the last game where they said something as objectively scummy as what foodcoats said.

[xorxes]

I think you've chosen a poor example from last game, one that's more the reverse of my point. Jamiet made (or manufactured) a mistake as scum that looked (to me) like a mistake a townie would not have made. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about scum being more careful to not look scummy, and town being less careful about it.

The relevant examples from last game are Damo and Worcej.

I chose your read of Jamie because it shows that your point does not always apply. I was not looking for an example to support your point, I was looking for an example to counter it. Scum try to be careful, but sometimes they get careless. I very much doubt that Jamie manufactured that mistake. And town usually try to be careful as well, at least some town do.

Now I'm wondering if the mistake you made there was a real towny mistake, or one you manufactured to look towny...

First of all, I am not insisting my point always applies. Secondly, you've still missed, it, and your counterexample is beside the point. If you want to find an actual counter-example, go find a statement by Damo, Worcej, or Jamiet from the last game where they said something as objectively scummy as what foodcoats said.

I'd say it serves as an example of scum not being careful, but I think we are in agreement so I'm not going to bother with looking for more examples.

[Foxcastle]

I'd say it serves as an example of scum not being careful, but I think we are in agreement so I'm not going to bother with looking for more examples.

I don't think we are in agreement, but it doesn't really matter and you should not be scraping through the last game for counterexamples on a philosophical point.

[Jamiet99uk]

wowowiwa

Ah, wait, I know this one.

It's an old Hawaiian phrase which, roughly translated, means "my parents have many regrets".

[xorxes]

I'd say it serves as an example of scum not being careful, but I think we are in agreement so I'm not going to bother with looking for more examples.

I don't think we are in agreement, but it doesn't really matter and you should not be scraping through the last game for counterexamples on a philosophical point.

I just hope foodcoats is scum so we never have to have this conversation again...

[e.m.c^42]

Hmm.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hmm.

Could you elaborate on this?

[foodcoats]

I'd say it serves as an example of scum not being careful, but I think we are in agreement so I'm not going to bother with looking for more examples.

I don't think we are in agreement, but it doesn't really matter and you should not be scraping through the last game for counterexamples on a philosophical point.

I just hope foodcoats is scum so we never have to have this conversation again...

I don't play this badly as scum.

[foodcoats]

Sorry to kill your buzz though.

[Chaqa]

Hmm.

Could you elaborate on this?

inb4 "Hmmm"

[foodcoats]

page 4 is legit the scumteam just talking in the thread before chaqa had given enough karma to open day chat

scumteam
dargo
chaqa
donny
sarah
bozo

I want to say this is pretty close but darg I think is town. Just a hunch.

[Nephthys]

OK with me.

Right then, I will.

Clearly, he's talking about the commonly used, official name for the role that was being discussed. i.e. a role which allows some form of daytime scum messaging.

Yes?

Why did you find that hard to understand?

No, I am still missing what Nephthys was saying about the "plausible" explanation having to do with the "official role".

So to fully explain this cause this needs to be put to bed...

Donny was lynched for calling the "encryptor" the "secretary"

This is because the secretary is wording that is only used by webdip. I stated that I was unaware of this and believed it to be the widely accepted term.

As covered multiple times earlier in the game, worcej also used this role in M46, as a secretary. Therefore all Donny needed to do was read M46 to be in the same understanding level as me.

[e.m.c^42]

Hmm.

Could you elaborate on this?

Well, in a bit, I haven't a conclusion yet :D

[Foxcastle]

I think the towniest players are Bozo, EMC, Foodcoats, Dargo.

Townleans on Demon, Summit, Chaqa, Vecna, Rdrivera. Probably Brainbomb. Xorxes is somewhere in my town grouping, probably stronger town than a townlean, but I’m less sure about him (by which I mean, he could be doing a good job as scum or third party).

Possibly scum: Bismarck, kgray, maybe Neph (that’s kinda a stab in the dark). These are very weak reads.

Nulls: Flash, Damo, TheMarche, SarahK, Jamiet

I have no speculation on third party, really. It could be anything.

[Jamiet99uk]

Pay attention to my Lorem Ipsum if I am killed, please. It will tell you something about what I tried to do tonight.

[Chaqa]

Posting this before EoN because I have at least a minor concern I messed up and might be night-killed.

My role, as people guessed and I said, has something to do with +1 interactions. However, I purposefully misrepresented it to give me a longer-term cover story. That said, the way Day 1 progressed, I've already used up my role and figured I should put out a dying declaration just in case.

Basically, my role didn't actually require me to +1 EVERY post. I said that in the hopes that others would +1 me in return, though this didn't really prove to be the case. My role gives me a one-shot ability to open a night QT with someone who +1's a post of mine.

I used this ability to open a Night 1 QT with EMC. He was notified about this QT during Day 1, as it's instantaneous (this was a bit unclear to me at the time. I tried to withdraw the action but found out he had already received the QT link, albeit we couldn't post yet).

EMC informed me in this QT of what his role was. I don't want to say here yet, but if I die you absolutely need to lynch EMC immediately, AND it means Donny was guaranteed scum. I cannot over-stress this enough. But if I live, then there's no reason to and Donny was likely town.

I know that sounds odd, but it's the most information I can give at the moment in case I don't die. If I live, I don't think we should lynch him, but if I die, it means I messed up and he's almost certainly mafia.

[Jamiet99uk]

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[xorxes]

So to fully explain this cause this needs to be put to bed...

Donny was lynched for calling the "encryptor" the "secretary"

This is because the secretary is wording that is only used by webdip. I stated that I was unaware of this and believed it to be the widely accepted term.

As covered multiple times earlier in the game, worcej also used this role in M46, as a secretary. Therefore all Donny needed to do was read M46 to be in the same understanding level as me.

I think encryptor and secretary are similar but not the same. Encryptor enables Mafia day-chat. Secretary is allowed to post to the Mafia QT during the day, but the rest of the team can only read and not respond. So it is not so much that "encryptor" is more official than "secretary", just the more common of these two similar roles.

Secretary was used in two games apparently, one in which Vecna was the secretary with worcej as scum buddy and another one in which I was the secretary with worcej as GM. I don't know if it was used in other games besides those two.

A new player talking about that specific role was extremely weird. Especially for someone who didn't know what peterbot did.

[DemonRHK]

In the event I don't make it to D2:

Vecna and brain are still my best townreads. Vecna is hunting and doing more than shitposting like I'm used to (maybe it was a meta shift I'm not used to as well) plus he's pushing points well. Brain is SOP brain, shotgunning reads to see what sticks.

Kgrey lost some points on that late counterwagon, but it's in the air since we don't know who the fuck Donny was.

Xorx seemed viably rattled/irked at Donny. I think the idea forewarded he's a 3rd party is possible, unless he and Donny are/were both scum. Just a feeling.

Scum, I feel food is still down there for what I stated before on his flipflopping, as well as shading the donny wagon then jumping on at the end (admitted, everyone was on it)

I'm not liking Chaqa. If I wake up I'll dive into more but I'm out of time.