M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Jamiet99uk]

Alas! Freedoms are lost, but what truly pains more is the loss of love. Even in solitude, if one has the warmth of Chipotlove the shackles of the world melt away like a block of cheese in the ass of a corpse.

You're disgusting.
You disgust me.
And, I'm disgusted by you.

[Jamiet99uk]

Bozo, thoughts on someone that isn't Sarah or Donny?

It seems your and Chaqa's roles are connected in some way, is that true?

lol EMC and I are just on a wavelength of our own this game. We spend too much time together

Did you room together in college?

What nicknames did you give Bozo in those days?

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamie should I fake claim tonight

Yes, but only if you fakeclaim this specific role, and then keep up your claim for the rest of the game:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Of_Its_Ass

[damo666]

Jamie should I fake claim tonight

Yes, but only if you fakeclaim this specific role, and then keep up your claim for the rest of the game:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Of_Its_Ass

That just may be impossible. Doubtful but true.

[Jamiet99uk]

DONNY NOTES (even tho its been overtalked about)

Donny Dude
Day-1 47:35
page 2 / orig Does anybody know what local fruits there are for eating

crumbs fruit vendor.

FRUIT VENDOR
You are the FRUIT VENDOR. Each day you must vote for a suspect. Each night, you may visit another player by PM-ing both GMs with the order ##VISIT . They will recieve a basket of fruit in the morning. At night you can talk to the other Mafia in the Mafia QT at . You win when all of the Town have been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from happening.

This is a scum role Jamiet uses in his games.

I believe I have used Fruit Vendor twice, once as a town role and once as a scum role. As a town role, it's a Named Townie that can confirm its existence so can help create a townclear. As a scum role, its main purpose is to confuse a Watcher or Tracker.

[Jamiet99uk]

I remember giving Fruit Vendor to Bo_Sox and he had an enormous tantrum about it because he didn't think it was a good role, and is a child.

[Foxcastle]

I think it makes the most sense that Donny was scum. The Janitor power is usually deployed on the NK, and they generally only have one or two uses (usually only one, I think?). This is very speculative, but my guess is that the Janitor saw Donny going down hard, noticed (or it was pointed out by the secretary) that the role PM did not specify that it had to be used during the night phase, and decided to try to salvage the situation.

[Foxcastle]

It's also possible mafia isn't using a Janitor and there is some sort of role that steals a power. I think we had something like that in one of the games we played a long time ago. Like a Mutation or Chameleon or Body Snatcher or something?

A combined power thief/day janitor seems way overpowered for any alignment.

[TheMarche]

I think it makes the most sense that Donny was scum. The Janitor power is usually deployed on the NK, and they generally only have one or two uses (usually only one, I think?). This is very speculative, but my guess is that the Janitor saw Donny going down hard, noticed (or it was pointed out by the secretary) that the role PM did not specify that it had to be used during the night phase, and decided to try to salvage the situation.

There's still something strange. If it's limited, why waste their power on such a lynch? Donny was clearly enough scum in my opinion, so I guess they didn't clean up to confuse us. Probably they didn't want town to understand Donny's power for some reason, or they can clean multiple times. In my opinion it has more sense to think that there's someone who will clean up everything until he's killed. But there's a good chance scum thinks differently, so probably i'm wrong.

[xorxes]

what do you guys think of damon blackfyre so far

He has not registered, but it was easy to reread. This sticks out:

I'm not sure how I feel about the 'rate 1-10' facebook knockoff bs. It seems like fishing with extra steps. Either massclaim or don't do shit.

I don't know if that's inherently scummy as a post because he's a newer player. If he is scum I'd almost have to lean that there is a scum role enabling day chat which would suuuuuck.

How he makes the connection between Donny's rating question and day chat is a mystery.

[xorxes]

What does pete bot do?

It's a bot.
It tracks votes, keeps track of votes, searches through the text of the room and finds every example of bozo saying, "HERE is a good mechanical plan!" or of Foxy saying, "What does mechanical mean?" or anything else you want to trace.

And I think i broke it.
Working on it. Hoping a superhero comes and fixes it for me.

Darg telling donny to claim tracker??? openly in thread? not in a qt?

as was posited, perhaps qt hadnt fired up.

it seems overstated for darg to mention track 3 times in this post to donny

If he was not the secretary, he would not be able to communicate via QT. He could have been crumbing one of their fake roles for himself rather than telling him to claim it.

[xorxes]

My first conclusion is that Vecna and kgray are probably not scum with Donny. Both of them noticed and focused on the slip. Could be double bluff bussing especially from Vecna, but I won't really go there.

I noticed the mention of secretary as I was reading and I thought it was a scumslip even before reading anything else, so I have no problem regarding it as such. In fact what I noticed as I was reading is how long it took some people to notice the slip.

Why didn't you point at it? If you thought it was a scumslip, you should have declared it. If Vecna hadn't read that message, Donny could have made it and (as he probably was scum) we would have had an additional scum player to lynch.

Because I was catching up when I read it, and by the time I finished catching up it had already been said and acted on and I didn't have time to participate.

[Foxcastle]

I think it makes the most sense that Donny was scum. The Janitor power is usually deployed on the NK, and they generally only have one or two uses (usually only one, I think?). This is very speculative, but my guess is that the Janitor saw Donny going down hard, noticed (or it was pointed out by the secretary) that the role PM did not specify that it had to be used during the night phase, and decided to try to salvage the situation.

There's still something strange. If it's limited, why waste their power on such a lynch? Donny was clearly enough scum in my opinion, so I guess they didn't clean up to confuse us. Probably they didn't want town to understand Donny's power for some reason, or they can clean multiple times. In my opinion it has more sense to think that there's someone who will clean up everything until he's killed. But there's a good chance scum thinks differently, so probably i'm wrong.

If this is a closed setup game with a power that janitors every death until they are found and killed, then this is a deeply broken setup and that game should never be run. I trust Worcej enough as a GM to not do that.

I think it's pretty sensible for the scum team to janitor scum-Donny. It does actually create a lot of confusion. At least with the NK, you know that the target was a townie, even if their power was janitored away. The fact that there's a possibility Donny wasn't scum is enough to undermine cases that are built based on his actions/interactions.

[xorxes]

xorx is 3p then probably

I think I was 3p only once, it was in a semi-closed setup and I had a role that knew all the roles that were in play.

[xorxes]

I agree
##Vote Donny

This is still extremely weird to me. It's not the typical self-vote of someone frustrated because under pressure, because nobody was really pushing him and there was a single vote on him at the time (Neph), with several wagons at 3 or 4. It made no sense then and I can't make any sense of it now.

Maybe he resurects

That could be an explanation, but if so why force it and waste it on D1? Even if it only works for lynches and not NKs, only a very paranoid newbie could imagine there was any chance of him being NKd.

[foodcoats]

I think it makes the most sense that Donny was scum. The Janitor power is usually deployed on the NK, and they generally only have one or two uses (usually only one, I think?). This is very speculative, but my guess is that the Janitor saw Donny going down hard, noticed (or it was pointed out by the secretary) that the role PM did not specify that it had to be used during the night phase, and decided to try to salvage the situation.

There's still something strange. If it's limited, why waste their power on such a lynch? Donny was clearly enough scum in my opinion, so I guess they didn't clean up to confuse us. Probably they didn't want town to understand Donny's power for some reason, or they can clean multiple times. In my opinion it has more sense to think that there's someone who will clean up everything until he's killed. But there's a good chance scum thinks differently, so probably i'm wrong.

If this is a closed setup game with a power that janitors every death until they are found and killed, then this is a deeply broken setup and that game should never be run. I trust Worcej enough as a GM to not do that.

I think it's pretty sensible for the scum team to janitor scum-Donny. It does actually create a lot of confusion. At least with the NK, you know that the target was a townie, even if their power was janitored away. The fact that there's a possibility Donny wasn't scum is enough to undermine cases that are built based on his actions/interactions.

It was an obvious move to janitor Donny, regardless of his alignment. It makes for good WIFOM.

[foodcoats]

I think it makes the most sense that Donny was scum. The Janitor power is usually deployed on the NK, and they generally only have one or two uses (usually only one, I think?). This is very speculative, but my guess is that the Janitor saw Donny going down hard, noticed (or it was pointed out by the secretary) that the role PM did not specify that it had to be used during the night phase, and decided to try to salvage the situation.

It's really just WIFOM. We don't get a lot of info from Donny's death unless we get speculative, and then we're potentially being misled by scum who know what Donny really was and can manipulate the situation as they like.

I don't like that you're telling us Donny's alignment. We don't know it and we shouldn't really even bother to think too hard on it or draw correlations. We should continue to evaluate other players based on their actions, not their relationship to Donny.

[Foxcastle]

There's still something strange. If it's limited, why waste their power on such a lynch? Donny was clearly enough scum in my opinion, so I guess they didn't clean up to confuse us. Probably they didn't want town to understand Donny's power for some reason, or they can clean multiple times. In my opinion it has more sense to think that there's someone who will clean up everything until he's killed. But there's a good chance scum thinks differently, so probably i'm wrong.

If this is a closed setup game with a power that janitors every death until they are found and killed, then this is a deeply broken setup and that game should never be run. I trust Worcej enough as a GM to not do that.

I think it's pretty sensible for the scum team to janitor scum-Donny. It does actually create a lot of confusion. At least with the NK, you know that the target was a townie, even if their power was janitored away. The fact that there's a possibility Donny wasn't scum is enough to undermine cases that are built based on his actions/interactions.

It was an obvious move to janitor Donny, regardless of his alignment. It makes for good WIFOM.

Yeah, this is the correct summary of all speculation on it.

[rdrivera2005]

I think it makes the most sense that Donny was scum. The Janitor power is usually deployed on the NK, and they generally only have one or two uses (usually only one, I think?). This is very speculative, but my guess is that the Janitor saw Donny going down hard, noticed (or it was pointed out by the secretary) that the role PM did not specify that it had to be used during the night phase, and decided to try to salvage the situation.

There's still something strange. If it's limited, why waste their power on such a lynch? Donny was clearly enough scum in my opinion, so I guess they didn't clean up to confuse us. Probably they didn't want town to understand Donny's power for some reason, or they can clean multiple times. In my opinion it has more sense to think that there's someone who will clean up everything until he's killed. But there's a good chance scum thinks differently, so probably i'm wrong.

If this is a closed setup game with a power that janitors every death until they are found and killed, then this is a deeply broken setup and that game should never be run. I trust Worcej enough as a GM to not do that.

I think it's pretty sensible for the scum team to janitor scum-Donny. It does actually create a lot of confusion. At least with the NK, you know that the target was a townie, even if their power was janitored away. The fact that there's a possibility Donny wasn't scum is enough to undermine cases that are built based on his actions/interactions.

Agree with you on this Fox. It makes more sense for scum to Janitor a lynch then a NK if they can.

[foodcoats]

What does pete bot do?

It's a bot.
It tracks votes, keeps track of votes, searches through the text of the room and finds every example of bozo saying, "HERE is a good mechanical plan!" or of Foxy saying, "What does mechanical mean?" or anything else you want to trace.

And I think i broke it.
Working on it. Hoping a superhero comes and fixes it for me.

Darg telling donny to claim tracker??? openly in thread? not in a qt?

as was posited, perhaps qt hadnt fired up.

it seems overstated for darg to mention track 3 times in this post to donny

lol

Chill bro