M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Foxcastle]

Like, going to the trouble to resize the 0s...

But it turns out that the right way to match 0 to o is to go with size=73, like this: o0

It's really bothering you, isn't it?

Could it be that Foxcastle is super triggered by my post because Brainbomb was defending him against me, and he's really bothered by my vote on him? Fox really seems to be looking out for things that threaten him.

Intriguing.

It's not bothering me very much, but it seems weird of you to do. I especially think its weird for you because if someone else were doing this, you'd go out of your gourd demanding an explanation.

And your vote on me seemed to be pretty clearly a joke-phase vote. Is it not?

[foodcoats]

Oof I'm like 15 pages behind.

I'm not going to bother trying to catch up anymore... if something really exciting happened between pages 40 and 55, hopefully it's quoted.

[TheMarche]

@Marche, I'm intrigued that you needed time to think after brain made his case.

That being said, your explanations aren't too bad and I honestly think I have a better shot with Donny.

##Vote Donny

It's kind of my style. Never have a fast answer, unless you need it urgently, but always think at what you're saying. Plus, not being native English speaker requires me slightly more time to understand better the accusations made against me and to write the answer.

[Vecna]

Meta reads are a very important part of Mafia. I just wish I had unlimited time to trudge through previous scenarios and tabulate how our resident islanders behaved when they were our brothers and sisters, and how the same people behaved when they were the enemy within. My memory is shot when it comes to meta reads. So, the wily old hands on this lovely island can keep sharing those gold musings of meta folklore while the amazing PeterBot is in iso of its own.
Meanwhile, I like the ongoing analysis of the Xorxes/Chaqa/Nephthys interaction for a possible first lynch vote.
Now, off to my teaching day...

@ foxcastle

This is the only post he made. It is a gimmicky post complaining about meta and him not having enough time. It is just meant to sound good, but its a generic fluffpost that he tries really hard to sound fluffy by adding all kinds of funny big words.

Quite a lot of effort went into that

It doesnt sound genuine at all to me.

I mean, I might do a sudden 180 once the slot actually starts posting, but there have been so many weird interactions here that my suspicion level is at 100

[foodcoats]

Is there a reason why Flash is the most voted? I searched through his posts and he didn't write much. Is this typical of scum Flash?

flash always lurks for the first couple of days.

He could be scum, but he's also an easy mislynch for scum to drive.

[Foxcastle]

I also believe Mafia could have a secretary, this is because votes have fluctuated a bit
I could totally be wrong though and have no basis for this claim.

How do you know what a secretary is? What makes you think this?

This is a good catch.

[Vecna]

Because he stated the obvious that The Marche is town? I don't think it's a great reason.

If that is so obvious, why didnt you make any comment on the brainbomb wall?

I told he was town on page 24. I read Brain wall and then the answer from him and other comments and didn't think I need to white knight him. He is obvtown and won't be lynched today

I urge you not to be too easy with calling him obvtown.

There are many pings that point to the opposite side. And remember, that scum brainbomb is usually a lot more towny than town brainbomb.

1: He chose the friendly, easy to go along with, playstyle. This one gets him scumread a lot less often and he knows that.

2: He had a townread on Bismarck for some unexplained reason. Then after he saw people noticing the slot being online but not posting, he flipped that around. So look at the possibility of scum brainbomb: Bismarck is town, and he thought since im pushing it this might be an easy mislynch. OR, theyre scum together meaning he needs to be able to bus it if the wagon picks up steam.

Look at how he went about it. Unexplained townread. Unexplained swap. Then he tried to distract from that by focussing on Mache with a big wall that quoted a ton of stuff, with some misleading reasoning that was only partially accurate. This is suspicious.

3: The mafia chat oopsy. This could come from scum or town really. But the way he responded to it, being all mysterious, and then claiming outright we need "more proof to do A+B" to properly be able to call him scum for it. Town in that spot just state they assumed the normal game situation where scum has no daychat on webdip right?

Im not saying he's lockscum. Im not saying he should be the lynch today.

Im saying we need to be wary as fuck to not be fooled by a potential scum brainbomb here.

[foodcoats]

Do you still think kgray is scummy?

I read kgray's posts and this confused me. I don't think he's scummy anymore, but i don't think he's town either. I just don't know how he acts, and i haven't much to base my opinions on. I don't have an opinion at the moment. I noticed however that most of his posts are focused on voting Sarah, but i liked his questions. I just need to wait a bit more.

I'm just picking up from this quote to add my thoughts about kgray. The "High Inquisitor Mode" kgray has so far adopted could really fall either way. I haven't see kgray make many statements, mostly just rail at people aggressively. Still null but it's a good way to open as scum.

[foodcoats]

If that is so obvious, why didnt you make any comment on the brainbomb wall?

I told he was town on page 24. I read Brain wall and then the answer from him and other comments and didn't think I need to white knight him. He is obvtown and won't be lynched today

I urge you not to be too easy with calling him obvtown.

There are many pings that point to the opposite side. And remember, that scum brainbomb is usually a lot more towny than town brainbomb.

1: He chose the friendly, easy to go along with, playstyle. This one gets him scumread a lot less often and he knows that.

2: He had a townread on Bismarck for some unexplained reason. Then after he saw people noticing the slot being online but not posting, he flipped that around. So look at the possibility of scum brainbomb: Bismarck is town, and he thought since im pushing it this might be an easy mislynch. OR, theyre scum together meaning he needs to be able to bus it if the wagon picks up steam.

Look at how he went about it. Unexplained townread. Unexplained swap. Then he tried to distract from that by focussing on Mache with a big wall that quoted a ton of stuff, with some misleading reasoning that was only partially accurate. This is suspicious.

3: The mafia chat oopsy. This could come from scum or town really. But the way he responded to it, being all mysterious, and then claiming outright we need "more proof to do A+B" to properly be able to call him scum for it. Town in that spot just state they assumed the normal game situation where scum has no daychat on webdip right?

Im not saying he's lockscum. Im not saying he should be the lynch today.

Im saying we need to be wary as fuck to not be fooled by a potential scum brainbomb here.

The other thing is that brainbomb would normally be really angry at us for suggesting he's scum. And he's not been angry.

[rdrivera2005]

@Marche, I'm intrigued that you needed time to think after brain made his case.

That being said, your explanations aren't too bad and I honestly think I have a better shot with Donny.

##Vote Donny

It's kind of my style. Never have a fast answer, unless you need it urgently, but always think at what you're saying. Plus, not being native English speaker requires me slightly more time to understand better the accusations made against me and to write the answer.

An advice from another non-native English speaker: stop bothering with grammar and writing correctly and just write out of your mind. It makes the game a lot less stressful, at least to me.

[Vecna]

Oof I'm like 15 pages behind.

I'm not going to bother trying to catch up anymore... if something really exciting happened between pages 40 and 55, hopefully it's quoted.

page 40-55 are the most important pages in the game so far, by quite a landslide.

Catchup please

[foodcoats]

Now this is interesting

Is it though?

Not in and of itself no

Perhaps later if he starts pulling up 50 excuses as to why he can't be on at EOD

damo is always playing poker EOD1, though. lel

[rdrivera2005]

If that is so obvious, why didnt you make any comment on the brainbomb wall?

I told he was town on page 24. I read Brain wall and then the answer from him and other comments and didn't think I need to white knight him. He is obvtown and won't be lynched today

I urge you not to be too easy with calling him obvtown.

There are many pings that point to the opposite side. And remember, that scum brainbomb is usually a lot more towny than town brainbomb.

1: He chose the friendly, easy to go along with, playstyle. This one gets him scumread a lot less often and he knows that.

2: He had a townread on Bismarck for some unexplained reason. Then after he saw people noticing the slot being online but not posting, he flipped that around. So look at the possibility of scum brainbomb: Bismarck is town, and he thought since im pushing it this might be an easy mislynch. OR, theyre scum together meaning he needs to be able to bus it if the wagon picks up steam.

Look at how he went about it. Unexplained townread. Unexplained swap. Then he tried to distract from that by focussing on Mache with a big wall that quoted a ton of stuff, with some misleading reasoning that was only partially accurate. This is suspicious.

3: The mafia chat oopsy. This could come from scum or town really. But the way he responded to it, being all mysterious, and then claiming outright we need "more proof to do A+B" to properly be able to call him scum for it. Town in that spot just state they assumed the normal game situation where scum has no daychat on webdip right?

Im not saying he's lockscum. Im not saying he should be the lynch today.

Im saying we need to be wary as fuck to not be fooled by a potential scum brainbomb here.

Vecns, I was talking about TheMarche. I think I have never considered BB obvtown in any game, it's one of the hardest spot to read to me.

[TheMarche]

Is there a reason why Flash is the most voted? I searched through his posts and he didn't write much. Is this typical of scum Flash?

flash always lurks for the first couple of days.

He could be scum, but he's also an easy mislynch for scum to drive.

Ok, thank you.
I need to go to study now, but I'll come back in the evening. For the moment, ##VOTE No-Lynch, just to make sure that if I forget to vote i still don't finish the day whithout having voted, and because I still don't have a clear idea on who to lynch.

[foodcoats]

@Foodcoats, you were scum with flash in m47. what was he like? do you see any comparison

He coasted early but he does that as town also. It is 1000% NAI for flash and I think experienced people in the meta should know this.

Isnt it like:

Scum: 100% lurk

Town: sometimes lurk, but more often just chat it up day1? Im sure ive seen him do the latter plenty so not sure if this is an entirely accurate representation.

Hmmmm... well... not in the last game I played with flash.

It sucks that some people can protect their scum meta this way but... I'm not going to vote flash for lurking D1.

[foodcoats]

Actually I guess there's a bunch of people who systematically lurk D1 and I am giving them a pass as a result. That kinda blows.

[foodcoats]

Well Sarah does seem to be trying somewhat... I don't think she's a bad lynch, but I'm willing to giver her a bit more time.

##vote foodcoats



First of all, the "I'm town so I don't want to lynch town" statement is just gross in general. But also brushing off lynching Sarah as policy is pretty rich coming from someone who 1) either doesn't understand why Sarah is getting votes or is misrepresenting the reason and 2) voted for emc as a policy vote - not to mention the weirdness where foodcoats apparently didn't even realize emc was playing...

But primarily, foodcoats' vote for Sarah is one of the scummiest posts I've seen so far:



I don't think Sarah was spiraling on her accusers at all. In fact, she had just started to actually engage with the people who were trying to talk to her. I think the random scum from another game is just extra fluff meant to give weight to a week argument. And, I think foodcoats just jumped on a big, safe wagon because it seemed like an easy place to hide a vote.

This is a really interesting case on Food. I had a bad feeling about this post and focused more on justifying my vote and didn't pay enough attention to the vote. Food and Dargo could be two interesting wagons for D1.

Hmmm, I think I missed this decently good case from Gray. Not sure if I agree 100% on the conclusion, but maybe I need to look back again at my reasons for townreadiny food to see if they hold up and this needs an alternative view.

… I should vote flash for the lulz…

[foodcoats]

Fox feels rather lackadaisical so far. He's made some weak statements and doesn't really seem interested.

Mhh, but he hasn't really displayed any of his usual scum behaviour I don't think.

Do you think a more relaxed Fox is town or scum indicative?

I think im willing to call EMC locktown as well. Does that please you Neph?

I think emc has learned to be more active in general lately. Be careful how you read that.

[Vecna]

Ok guys, I did some more thinking and searching in old games and the peterbot

I need some help to figure out if im correct or totally wrong.

Donny was talking about a secretary. Now, I know what a secretary is, because I was in ~that game~

Normally, a secretary is called an encryptor. This is like, almost universal, across mafia websites and usually the case as well on webdip.

See here: a game where I was the secretary. Surprise, surprise, Worcej was scum with me. Worcej is the GM here. He couldve very well done some throwback and called the encryptor a secretary again.
https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/bMgKmxLsVaqr

Now, Donny jumping to the conclusion that the role would be called secretary is mightily suspicious and VERY POSSIBLY a scumslip.

I need some help. Were there more recent games where an encryptor was called a secretary?

[rdrivera2005]

I told he was town on page 24. I read Brain wall and then the answer from him and other comments and didn't think I need to white knight him. He is obvtown and won't be lynched today

I urge you not to be too easy with calling him obvtown.

There are many pings that point to the opposite side. And remember, that scum brainbomb is usually a lot more towny than town brainbomb.

1: He chose the friendly, easy to go along with, playstyle. This one gets him scumread a lot less often and he knows that.

2: He had a townread on Bismarck for some unexplained reason. Then after he saw people noticing the slot being online but not posting, he flipped that around. So look at the possibility of scum brainbomb: Bismarck is town, and he thought since im pushing it this might be an easy mislynch. OR, theyre scum together meaning he needs to be able to bus it if the wagon picks up steam.

Look at how he went about it. Unexplained townread. Unexplained swap. Then he tried to distract from that by focussing on Mache with a big wall that quoted a ton of stuff, with some misleading reasoning that was only partially accurate. This is suspicious.

3: The mafia chat oopsy. This could come from scum or town really. But the way he responded to it, being all mysterious, and then claiming outright we need "more proof to do A+B" to properly be able to call him scum for it. Town in that spot just state they assumed the normal game situation where scum has no daychat on webdip right?

Im not saying he's lockscum. Im not saying he should be the lynch today.

Im saying we need to be wary as fuck to not be fooled by a potential scum brainbomb here.

Vecns, I was talking about TheMarche. I think I have never considered BB obvtown in any game, it's one of the hardest spot to read to me.

About Brain, I think pushing the newbies and questioning is usually more town BB then scum BB that tend to be way more chaotic. So I had a town lean on him.
About your points.
1 - I expect to him to act like this at start as amt alignment after last game meltdown.
2 - The townread on Bismarck is weird, he can be null at best and using a Wall to cover it is something BB could certainly do, first real scummy thing. And it worked, because I didn't notice in my catchup and focused only on The Marche
3 - I don't think I get your point.