M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Vecna]

lets say this is my list

Town
Neph
xorx
vecna
foodcoats
kgray
foxcastle
emc
chaqa


Null
sarah
damo
jamie
demonrhk
donny
rdrivera

scum
bismark
themarche
flash

##Vote TheMarche

Wait, so you write this readslist specifically to shift bismarck from townreads to scumreads, but then you vote TheMarche?

This reads awfully badly like scum getting ready to maybe having to bus their partner.

[rdrivera2005]

@Vecna, as you seem to be around, what's your read on Dargo? He looks the heat because of his entrance and now seems to be laying low to see if it vanish by itself like many D1 wagons.

[Vecna]

Lets DISSECT:

probably i'm missing A LOT of useful information

Chaqua's role sounds strange... probably it's better not to vote him in the first days

I need to read again the posts, it may be really helpful and change my mind.

Not that i am an expert anyway. But I don't think a new player's town messages would sound like this.

Don't worry, it's still my first impression. I need to read again everything to confirm my opinions

Is it common in these games to have the mafia chat opened later? I never played like that, but if it's not a common thing we can go and lynch brainbomb

I definitely should find another half an hour to write down who accused who to try to see what happens in the second day.

Here he assumes hes at no risk of N1 kill

Brain is openly calling our bluff that we do not actually read his reasoning. NONE of the quoted actually assumes hes at no risk of N1 kill

Mathematician's habit, i need to gather all the data before having a full view and express my opinion on everything.

Anytime even the slightest question is asked about his reasoning he falls back to saying he needs to reread and wants to be perfect.

This point is fair though

Chaqa's game looks strange. He didn't write much, and his role sounds suspicious to me. As i said earlier, he may be a town power role or scum. This makes me think we shouldn't kill him and wait to see what scum does. Anyway to me he looks more scum than towny.

finds chaqa scum but advocates letting him live to see what he does

mischaracterization of what the post actually said. He states hes susp of the role but it can both be a town or scum PR. He wants to wait to see if scum NK's it. Not wanting to lynch just yet, despite thinking slightly more scummy is not a scumtell.

I don't know much about the other players. But at the moment, from the first game dynamics, Kgray seemed to me a bit scummish, but I still haven't thought a lot about that.

What is this? like seriously how did no one question this????

I dont agree either, but is it scummy?

From what you wrote previously, it seems to me too early to have a guess on what Sarah or Nephthys are. I wouldn't vote them until i get more information.

Its too early to have an opinion on sarah or neph, because no one else has an opinion yet

Indeed not a great statement. But I understand the sentiment. Or maybe not. Meh

[Vecna]

I quite like the brain logic tbh.

##vote Marche

Not a critical bone in his body.

Also forgetting about the bismarck statement he just made before

[Vecna]

dont be afraid of me marche.
wait til you see what the people here think of me when I start doing all sorts of toxic anti town crap and turn the whole table upside down against me.

im not really scary

luckily you are caught red handed. so that makes this pleasant and fun

I am not afraid. I am clean and have shown it with my answers.

Much town. nice

[Vecna]

Holy fuck content.

So I don't like a ton of stuff Donny has done. He had that whole weird flash to no lynch to suicide vote line. At first I was on clueless town, then newb-scum, then too dumb to be scum but he's reaching DammDan levels of super overt.

Rdr has been lazy sitting on Sarah and almost everything was focused there, BUT, he hasn't posted in a while and I misread rdr all the damn time.

food is rubbing me the wrong way. He piled on Sarah and then jumped back onto fox the next time he was back.

I don't have the bias against Sarah many of you have, so I don't see scummy, mostly...disinterested? Lazy? Like I get Durga vibes here on playstyle. And most of this pressure is policy not scumreading, which breaks down to I don't care if I kill someone I think could be town.

My three up three down:
Brain, Kgrey, and Vecna town
food, Donny, and Marche scum

##Vote foodcoats

Im wondering why this didnt touch up on Marche if he's in your bottom 3 scumreads?

[Vecna]

@Marche, I'm intrigued that you needed time to think after brain made his case.

That being said, your explanations aren't too bad and I honestly think I have a better shot with Donny.

##Vote Donny

This at least reads good. The reply was good

[Vecna]

##vote Neph

I dislike his opportunistic vote on Marche

I like Damo for pointing this out

[Vecna]

##vote Neph

I dislike his opportunistic vote on Marche

Except the vote was invalid and he moved accepting the Marche defence.

##unvote

And a good evaluation after the fact as well.

Damo moving up in the list

[Vecna]

Anyone think it possible that damo intentionally dropped off after so many people called him out?

He does that shit as town all the time as well id say. Regardless, ive given up on given to read Damo. People like him piss me off, since its basically become acceptable to everyone. In the meantime, EMC must be policy lynch every time he doesnt vote. Vecna must be insta lynched anytime he lurks for a day or two.

Lol I piss Vecna off because I'm difficult to read.

@Xorxes do you agree I'm difficult to read.

Not because youre difficult to read. Youre usually very easy to read when you participate.

Its because you've started to systematically lurk all of day1 in nearly every game.

Im actually happy to see youre doing stuff this game. Keep it up.

[Vecna]

TheMarche is looking townie... what scum would think this way?

Yeah, think im still pretty happy with my foodcoats read

Because he stated the obvious that The Marche is town? I don't think it's a great reason.

If that is so obvious, why didnt you make any comment on the brainbomb wall?

[Vecna]

@Vecna, as you seem to be around, what's your read on Dargo? He looks the heat because of his entrance and now seems to be laying low to see if it vanish by itself like many D1 wagons.

I have no read whatsoever. I know im usually terrible at reading him (same with RHK in -most- games). Nothing he has done has left any memory.

He is definitely in my blind spot

[Vecna]

sup claes

[Jamiet99uk]

Xorxes still bothers me. More in a moment.

[rdrivera2005]

Yeah, think im still pretty happy with my foodcoats read

Because he stated the obvious that The Marche is town? I don't think it's a great reason.

If that is so obvious, why didnt you make any comment on the brainbomb wall?

I told he was town on page 24. I read Brain wall and then the answer from him and other comments and didn't think I need to white knight him. He is obvtown and won't be lynched today

[Jamiet99uk]

There is something to be gleaned, I'm sure of it, from the interaction between Chaqa and Xorxes over their votes for Dargorygel.

This was Xorxes responding to me, where he had said one of his main reasons for voting Dargorygel (which is still where his vote is) was because Chaqa scumread Dargorygel:

I wasn't voting him because Chaqa was voting him, but because Chaqa said he was scum. That reason doesn't vanish just because Chaqa votes for someone else.

Did you vote him because you thought town Chaqa had worked out that Darg was scum, or because you thought that scum Chaqa was bussing his team-mate?

I just want to get this absolutely clear.

I thought that Chaqa, whatever his alignment, produced a correctish assessment of dargo's meta. I think bussing is least likely, and I think Chaqa is most likely town, but that's about it.

So, let us examine Chaqa's little push on Dargorygel. It starts right there on page one:

Dargo is scum.

##Vote Dargo

I should have misspelled 'first...' then i wouldn't have been caught by sleuthy chaqa.

I'm only half joking, we both know you only make the effort to show up and be active when you're scum. You're throwing again.

Later on, I questioned Chaqa on why he was still voting Dargorygel and here are his responses, both to me and, interestingly, to Xorxes:

@Chaqa:
@Xorxes:

Is Dargorygel your current top scumread?
If so, please could you explain why?

lol no I forgot I was voting for him

@Chaqa:
@Xorxes:

Is Dargorygel your current top scumread?
If so, please could you explain why?

1) Because Chaqa said he is scum.
2) Because he has talked about very little other than the massclaim.
3) Because nobody else has beaconed me more strongly yet.

You think Dargo is scum because I said he is scum?

I was mostly joking.

Chaqa here has gone from "only half joking" and insisting he did, genuinely scumread Darg, to "mostly joking", as well as having forgotten his vote was still on Darg (and then removing it).

Xorxes picks up on this and questions Chaqa.
He gets some replies:

You think Dargo is scum because I said he is scum?

I was mostly joking.

You said half, now it's mostly...

Well, the seriousness of it goes down over time as actual things happen.

For now I will join ##Vote SarahK24

I think she's either scum or oblivious town like last game, and we're probably better off getting rid of her now.

Were you bussing dargo and you're getting cold feet now?

lol I would and have bus Dargo into the sun

[Foxcastle]

Im not voting bismarck because he's lurking

I feel like you're setting me up to ask "so why are you voting Bismarck" so that you can make some haughty remark about having seen through his single post to glimpse the mind of scum, or some similar nonsense.

So, uh, why are you voting Bismarck?

Why are you pretending a single post cannot be enough to scumread someone?

You know Ive correctly scumread and caught you in the past for a single post or a bus.

If youre already presupposing my response is going to be haughty, youre not really interested in the answer anyway and youre just trying to make my vote look silly.

We know you made your scumread off a single post, I'm not pretending it's not enough. But I'm still curious what it was about that post that made you scumread Biscmarck.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Xorxes: You said one of your main reasons for voting Darg was that you believed that Chaqa, on the First Page, had spotted that Darg was displaying his scum meta.

Chaqa now says this was "mostly" a joke.

You have implied you think that Chaqa is bussing Dargorygel.

Your vote remains on Dargorygel at present.

So, you think Chaqa is scum, yes?

[Vecna]

Solid town:
Vecna
EMC

town:
Donny Dude
summit_fever
foodcoats (still needs reevaluation)
TheMarche

Slight town read (lots of good gut)
Jamiet99uk
xorxes (3p potential)
rdrivera2005
damo666
kgray
SarahK24 (could also be null I guess)
Nephthys

Null
Chaqa
Bozo
Foxcastle
DemonRHK
dargorygel

Slight scumread:
brainbomb
Flash2015

Probably scum:
BismarckAlive

[TheMarche]

Is there a reason why Flash is the most voted? I searched through his posts and he didn't write much. Is this typical of scum Flash?