M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[rdrivera2005]

Please, enlighten us, because this smells

Sigh As the philosopher said, "A man who only sniffs his own ass will say a rose stinks."

1) Xorxes was triggered by my Waiting for Godot quote. That quote was in response to Jamiet's lorem ipsum quote, which included a vote on me. I was responding in kind with my own vote on Jamiet hidden in that block of text, which Xorxes (and apparently most others) missed.

So no, it's not some secret crumb or randomness. I was responding to Jamiet's vote in-kind with my own block of nonsense.

2) I'm assuming that the scum team and 3rd party know how many of them are on their team. (The alternative where they don't know is on their respective teams would be madness and obviate the whole point of the game.) Making everyone guess forces the scum team and 3rd party to decide, without coordination, how to engineer their guesses so that they don't end up looking suspicious later on.

And how does that help town? Because there is no way that I can think of that will helpfully allow people to differentiante between a scum making shit up (or truthtelling) or a town making either a good or bad guess.

This just seems like busywork

I tend to agree with Vecna, in the end it would be pure WIFOM.

[Donny Dude]

Can someone please fill me in on Summit's "claim" that Donny is talking about?

I could not see him making a claim - what have I missed?

I think he somehow called summit's vote on him a claim for whatever reason.

Ah ok, he is using the term "claim" to mean "something that someone said" rather than the meaning of "role claim".

@Donny Dude: For your info, in this game, when we say "claim", or use language like "I am claiming" or "is that a claim" or "Brainbomb has made a fake claim", the word "claim" has a specific meaning. It means the person is claiming a particular role.

So for example, if Zultar said "I am the Doctor", that would be a claim.
Meanwhile if Zultar said "Donny is scum and I'm going to vote for him" that is not a claim.

K. Thanks.

[xorxes]

Is it bad form to claim D1?

In a normal game, yes (unless you have to).

In this game, it depends on what your role is. If it's something very valuable to town, and scum believe your claim, they will roleblock you if they can, or try to kill you, or somehow try to neutralize you, so it's hard to see the need for an impromptu claim in this case.

If it's not a valuable role, you want scum to waste their NK on you, so again, why tell them that they don't need to waste their kill on you?

And fakeclaiming is a double-edged sword, so be careful with that as well.

So you will have to use your judgement for what is better for town, there's no general rule here.

[Chaqa]

@kgray - if you were a vigilante with a shot right now, who would you shoot and why?

[Chaqa]

@kgray - if you were a vigilante with a shot right now, who would you shoot and why?

xorxes - same question

[rdrivera2005]

@Chaqa - You didn't ask me but I would shoot Sarah.

[Chaqa]

@Chaqa - You didn't ask me but I would shoot Sarah.

I was pretty sure I knew your answer lol

[xorxes]

@kgray - if you were a vigilante with a shot right now, who would you shoot and why?

xorxes - same question

I probably would not shoot yet as of right now, but dargo/Neph/Donny/Bismark are all targets I would consider.

[Foxcastle]

I am not claiming that having everyone guess the number of scum and 3rd party is doing anything useful now, or that it won't be WIFOMY later. But it could be useful information, and it's certainly better than no information.

Also, I think Rdrivera just hates all my ideas out of spite.

[kgray]

@kgray - if you were a vigilante with a shot right now, who would you shoot and why?

Well I wouldn't shoot right now if waiting was an option, but if I did have to shoot right now it would probably be Sarah. I can understand new people being overwhelmed but it really bugs me that she doesn't seem to care at all how town would play the game. And this isn't her first game anymore, so there are things she should have figured out by now that she seems to be missing. I don't know if it's intentional because she's scum, but even if she's not I agree with rivera that it's a mistake to keep her around if she won't even try.

[foodcoats]

@xorxes, I guess this means you also weren't paying attention and missed the "purpose" of Fox's fluff? Would you say that you not reading carefully is a sign that you're scum?

I missed Fox's vote even though I explicitly looked to see if he had done the same thing as Jamie. In fact I now went back and it took me quite a while to find it, it was much more hidden. The reasons probably are that he used all lowercase and split it in two lines. Plus, I was already familiar with Jamie's background text so I didn't need to find out what it was, whereas with Fox's I had to Google it and I came to the conclusion that it was a plausible crumb. I obviously did not read the whole thing.

But your question is backwards anyways, I said I could NOT take it as as sign of scumminess.

What's your story, when did you notice the votes were there?

My question is not "backwards" because I wasn't using it to imply that you're scum. It was somewhat rhetorical, but it's something I'm honestly thinking about. If xorxes isn't reading closely (but is also calling out other people for not reading closely), does that make xorxes more likely to be scum?

And I also did not read all of either Jamie's or Fox's posts. I don't think it's scummy that you didn't. But I do think it is interesting that you called out Fox missing Jamie's vote without noticing Fox's vote. Even if you did go look for it, I would think you'd have looked a bit harder.

I noticed Jamie's vote when I saw your response to his post, and I went back to look for what you'd seen. When Flash "corrected" Jamie's post I assumed he was replacing Jamie's vote for Fox with his own vote, but I couldn't find that so I searched the page for ##. That's when I saw Fox's vote for Jamie.

This is a really spicy catch on xorxes...

[foodcoats]

I am giving scum points to rdr and Chaqa for arguing that we should vote Sarah because she is bad-town. I have played scum and 3P more than I have played town on here, and "this person is scum OR bad-town so they're a positive EV lynch" is a great D1 argument that I enjoy employing from those perspectives.

As town, personally, I don't want to lynch any town, and it's bit early to be arguing as though we are out of options and therefore should policy Sarah based on the last game, isn't it?

[Foxcastle]

I missed Fox's vote even though I explicitly looked to see if he had done the same thing as Jamie. In fact I now went back and it took me quite a while to find it, it was much more hidden. The reasons probably are that he used all lowercase and split it in two lines. Plus, I was already familiar with Jamie's background text so I didn't need to find out what it was, whereas with Fox's I had to Google it and I came to the conclusion that it was a plausible crumb. I obviously did not read the whole thing.

But your question is backwards anyways, I said I could NOT take it as as sign of scumminess.

What's your story, when did you notice the votes were there?

My question is not "backwards" because I wasn't using it to imply that you're scum. It was somewhat rhetorical, but it's something I'm honestly thinking about. If xorxes isn't reading closely (but is also calling out other people for not reading closely), does that make xorxes more likely to be scum?

And I also did not read all of either Jamie's or Fox's posts. I don't think it's scummy that you didn't. But I do think it is interesting that you called out Fox missing Jamie's vote without noticing Fox's vote. Even if you did go look for it, I would think you'd have looked a bit harder.

I noticed Jamie's vote when I saw your response to his post, and I went back to look for what you'd seen. When Flash "corrected" Jamie's post I assumed he was replacing Jamie's vote for Fox with his own vote, but I couldn't find that so I searched the page for ##. That's when I saw Fox's vote for Jamie.

This is a really spicy catch on xorxes...

Odd that you used the same adjective as Brainbomb.

Why is this such a spicy catch, as opposed to it being a mistake?

[xorxes]

I mean, If I know worcej, he probably has some sort of anti-mass-claim stuff in here, so likely we do not want to do that.

Brainbomb, Jamiet, would the two of you like to have a room to work out all your sexual tension?

I'm not sure if I like this post. The people most scared of a massclaim are scum.

Do you think worcej is especially good at anti-mass-claim stuff? The last few role madness games GMs thought they had it all worked out but all turned out to be pretty massclaim favorable.

@Xorx, can you answer your own question.

It seems from your post that you in fact are actually quite keen on a mass claim?

I would support a mass claim, but I'm not going to spearhead it (which let's be honest it basically means it won't happen).

In short, I think it would probably benefit town, but it is not certain enough to be worth all the hassle.

[kgray]

I am giving scum points to rdr and Chaqa for arguing that we should vote Sarah because she is bad-town.

Where are my scum points?

I have played scum and 3P more than I have played town on here, and "this person is scum OR bad-town so they're a positive EV lynch" is a great D1 argument that I enjoy employing from those perspectives.

As scum you'd rather lynch someone who is likely to hurt town later on?

As town, personally, I don't want to lynch any town, and it's bit early to be arguing as though we are out of options and therefore should policy Sarah based on the last game, isn't it?

Not if she's not trying to improve or learn from last game at all.

[xorxes]

Scumslip?

... I should read the setup.

Hmm, missed this initially. Interesting thought

Missed this as well. I don't think worcej said anywhere about when the chat will be opened, so brainbomb may actually be scum. Is it common in these games to have the mafia chat opened later? I never played like that, but if it's not a common thing we can go and lynch brainbomb

Blatant townslip, but is it real or constructed?

[xorxes]

Mafia daychat is very unusual here. In webDip Mafia we normally only have Mafia chat at night. However there have occasionally been exceptions. Very occasionally. In particular I believe there can be a role which, while alive, permits the Mafia chat to be open during the day.

Ok, thank you. So probably the best posts to understand who's scum are between the first two days, where at start they may accuse each other for they don't know who their allies are and then change opinion in the second day. I definitely should find another half an hour to write down who accused who to try to see what happens in the second day.

Either this guy is a really good actor or he is town.

Or 3p, but yeah.

[xorxes]

Above point somewhat applies to rivera, his attempt at banter with xorx again comes off slightly awkward. Unsure of whether it's due to rivera being rivera or the humour forced.

EMC's first impression is majorly town

I would agree with that.

[brainbomb]

@kgray - if you were a vigilante with a shot right now, who would you shoot and why?

may I also answer?

[xorxes]

Darg is an anagram of drag which is what D1s do, hence we should get rid of darg.

Oh no, please don't tell me you're scum again damo?