M1010 Mini-Mafia

[xorxes]

brain is also not reading the thread. He is making cases through iso's, which is probably how the misquotes came about. He probably iso'd rivera and then thought he was doing damo. He also quoted kgray's reads as Fox's again, which he would know were kgray's if he had read the discussion about it.

[xorxes]

In his meltdown he also started throwing votes every which way, but if he wanted to save himself as town he would have seen that voting for rivera and damo was not going to help him, Jamie was the way to go. So he was really giving up as town, or he wanted to get the attention away from Jamie as scum.

[xorxes]

I tried to engage with him but he ignored me, which I don't think he does as town.

[xorxes]

We need bozo here.

And we need Fox and worcej to participate too.

I suppose if it's brainbomb, it is pretty open who the last one could be.

[damo666]

brain/sarah seems quite possible to me and would explain our co-confusion

##vote brain

[xorxes]

##VOTE brain

poor Sarah, that would explain a lot.

[worcej]

You're getting it wrong without actually narrowing your real lynch pool. You'll have two scum manipulating the next vote.

How many games have I been scumread as town? Pretty much all of them. I cannot actually think of a game where I wasn't widely scumread as town. (There might be one actually, but I can't think of it.) I guess I just suck at being town.

Pretty much the same for me too. I get fucking tired of it too - games where I bust ass and participate I get scummed and games where timing has been shit and my activity not as good I am also scummed.

[xorxes]

You're getting it wrong without actually narrowing your real lynch pool. You'll have two scum manipulating the next vote.

How many games have I been scumread as town? Pretty much all of them. I cannot actually think of a game where I wasn't widely scumread as town. (There might be one actually, but I can't think of it.) I guess I just suck at being town.

Pretty much the same for me too. I get fucking tired of it too - games where I bust ass and participate I get scummed and games where timing has been shit and my activity not as good I am also scummed.

Everyone gets scumread at some point in almost every game. You two should stop with this nonsense if you don't want to be lynched.

[worcej]

Complaining that you are always scumread doesn't really help us. Have you been reading worcej's iso? Have you found something there to push his lynch?

I have not found a solid reason to push Worcej's lynch, despite looking. It's almost like he has an incentive to make sure every action is designed to not attract attention or seem out of place...

If only I was that good, then maybe I would be listened to when I post an opinion instead of dismissed.

I was killed last game by scum!xorxes for softing a claim. He even had the balls to say in scum chat that no one listens to me, which is icing on the already annoying cake.

[worcej]

You're getting it wrong without actually narrowing your real lynch pool. You'll have two scum manipulating the next vote.

How many games have I been scumread as town? Pretty much all of them. I cannot actually think of a game where I wasn't widely scumread as town. (There might be one actually, but I can't think of it.) I guess I just suck at being town.

Pretty much the same for me too. I get fucking tired of it too - games where I bust ass and participate I get scummed and games where timing has been shit and my activity not as good I am also scummed.

Everyone gets scumread at some point in almost every game. You two should stop with this nonsense if you don't want to be lynched.

Fuck off - you're part of the problem we face in games. You appear to have a select few people you listen to intently and ignore the others or just not believe what they are saying.

Know what happens when one of the select few is scum? You lose.

[worcej]

@Fox, from your reread of Jamie, what connections did you find that make you think make likely/unlikely teammates?

I have only reread Day 1 with Jamiet and the remaining living players, and you can see what I found in my previous posts today. Day 1 is most important because scum are uncertain and haven't been able to coordinate. I am unlikely to get around to other big ISO today due to work assignments.

Are you still stuck here then:

Remaining
Bozo + Brain
Bozo + Damo
Bozo + Worcej
Brain + SarahK
Brain + Worcej
Damo + SarahK
Damo + Worcej

Since I townread brain and damo, our only common ground is Bozo + Worcej.

Worcej and bozo have been scumreading each other since D1. Do you think that was mutual heavy bussing?

My main issue with your reads is I'm having trouble finding common ground with you.

Case and point.

[worcej]

worcej defended Fox after his scum claim.

Because his tone was entirely sarcastic. I also had a townvibe from him before that point, but continue to just scum him, that's fine.

[xorxes]

Complaining that you are always scumread doesn't really help us. Have you been reading worcej's iso? Have you found something there to push his lynch?

I have not found a solid reason to push Worcej's lynch, despite looking. It's almost like he has an incentive to make sure every action is designed to not attract attention or seem out of place...

If only I was that good, then maybe I would be listened to when I post an opinion instead of dismissed.

I was killed last game by scum!xorxes for softing a claim. He even had the balls to say in scum chat that no one listens to me, which is icing on the already annoying cake.

But I'm not scum this time, and I have actually defended you a bit from bozo, have I not? Was I making a mistake?

[xorxes]

Pretty much the same for me too. I get fucking tired of it too - games where I bust ass and participate I get scummed and games where timing has been shit and my activity not as good I am also scummed.

Everyone gets scumread at some point in almost every game. You two should stop with this nonsense if you don't want to be lynched.

Fuck off - you're part of the problem we face in games. You appear to have a select few people you listen to intently and ignore the others or just not believe what they are saying.

Know what happens when one of the select few is scum? You lose.

Who am I listening to that I should not be listening to? At the moment that could only be damo. I think he is town, but I may be wrong. Tell me why.

I try to read and evaluate what everyone says, including you believe it or not.

[worcej]

Anyway assuming f votes w and vice versa it currently looks like I have the deciding vote.

Can everyone summarise their thoughts on the two of them. Thanks. A sentence on each is sufficient.

Both floaters.
Both defend themselves by saying they are always scumread.
Both were not paying much attention when rivera softed.
Both claim they have little time to play (which may be true or an excuse).
They have hardly interacted with each other.

Fox has put marginally a bit more effort maybe.

It's hard to tell them apart.

Much of this seems to be driven by the assumption that when someone rolls town, they become attentive and motivated, and are imbued with the righteous yearning for justice or something. This is in correct. When someone rolls town, they are still exactly who they were before that.

Xorxes is applying his own play style to others. He forgets the frustration of being ignored and dismissed causes people to get annoyed and irritated, because that doesn't happen when you're one of the 'good town players' that he is.

[xorxes]

I have only reread Day 1 with Jamiet and the remaining living players, and you can see what I found in my previous posts today. Day 1 is most important because scum are uncertain and haven't been able to coordinate. I am unlikely to get around to other big ISO today due to work assignments.

Are you still stuck here then:

Remaining
Bozo + Brain
Bozo + Damo
Bozo + Worcej
Brain + SarahK
Brain + Worcej
Damo + SarahK
Damo + Worcej

Since I townread brain and damo, our only common ground is Bozo + Worcej.

Worcej and bozo have been scumreading each other since D1. Do you think that was mutual heavy bussing?

My main issue with your reads is I'm having trouble finding common ground with you.

Case and point.

What's the problem there? Should I not be trying to find out what our common ground is?

[xorxes]

worcej defended Fox after his scum claim.

Because his tone was entirely sarcastic. I also had a townvibe from him before that point, but continue to just scum him, that's fine.

That was not a criticism, it was a point against you two being scum together...

[xorxes]

Both floaters.
Both defend themselves by saying they are always scumread.
Both were not paying much attention when rivera softed.
Both claim they have little time to play (which may be true or an excuse).
They have hardly interacted with each other.

Fox has put marginally a bit more effort maybe.

It's hard to tell them apart.

Much of this seems to be driven by the assumption that when someone rolls town, they become attentive and motivated, and are imbued with the righteous yearning for justice or something. This is in correct. When someone rolls town, they are still exactly who they were before that.

Xorxes is applying his own play style to others. He forgets the frustration of being ignored and dismissed causes people to get annoyed and irritated, because that doesn't happen when you're one of the 'good town players' that he is.

I get frustrated as much as you do. Have you read anything of my discussions with rivera or with bozo?

[Foxcastle]

We need bozo here.

And we need Fox and worcej to participate too.

I suppose if it's brainbomb, it is pretty open who the last one could be.

I am here, I am reading up, I am participating as much as I can between doing my actual day job.

[xorxes]

We need bozo here.

And we need Fox and worcej to participate too.

I suppose if it's brainbomb, it is pretty open who the last one could be.

I am here, I am reading up, I am participating as much as I can between doing my actual day job.

You should be doing your actual day job as much as you can between participating here.