M1010 Mini-Mafia

[SarahK24]

JAMIE P6

I'm going to go to sleep.

I hope our newbie shows up. I'm slightly concerned that "Sarah" only joined the site a couple of weeks ago and just signed up to Mafia at the last moment. After Pjandy last time, I hope we don't get another newb absentee. Not sure if people reaching out to the newb with "oh here's some super helpful advice" before they even post for the first time are earnestly helpful or trying to earn townie brownie points.

Oh well hopefully by the time I wake up and check back here there will be something more interesting to talk about.

Pages 7-11 the only ppl who speak are emc, myself, xorxes, bunnygo. xorxes spends 3 pages arguing with bunny about why bunny is acting too disciplined.

JAMIE P11

Hello friends.

I have caught up since my last post and I have a few observations to make.

First of all, it appears we have town Xorxes on our side. Rejoice! I hope he catches some scum while he lives.

JAMIE P11

What is the point of this question?

The Vengeful is town. His/her only power is to be able to hit a revenge kill. That benefits town if it hits scum. If it hits town, on the same night there is a successful NK, then three townies have died in exchange for zero Mafia deaths.

If you are town, why on Earth would you be happy with that happening?

Is this some kind of WIFOM scum double-bluff logic, "if I say I want the Vengeful to target me, then he will assume I am a VT so he won't kill me"??

Suicide pact? Sure! You go first.

Jamie decides he is okay with my vengeful questionare and volunteers me to die first.

Vanilla Townies are more likely to be comfortable with dying if their death might be informative, or if their death prevents the death of a town PR. It's often said that VTs should not be afraid to die (which I'm not sure I always agree with).

My initial instinct was that Brainbomb was fishing for VT claims which is a very scummy thing to do.

Anyone want to give a town justification for Brainbomb's little poll?

Jamie agrees with damo that my questionare poll was to out catch vt claims and out PRs. Jamie shades me publicly.

CALL GM

I am concerned that our brand new player may not show up.

Do you have any subs available, and can you check if SarahK has read the role PM? (I don't expect a public answer to the second question).

Jamie is back to keen concern sarah may not show up.

##VOTE BRAINBOMB

Let's find out what his alignment is.

He is apparently happy to die.

And back to wanting a reason to lynch me.


Conclusion here is that Jamie was abnormally concerned about Sarah not showing up. This strikes me as wolf worried about a fellow wolf. whereas jamies treatment of me was demonstrably looking for a way to piggy back off of damos read on me.


■Why cant Jamie just genuinely be concerned Sarah may not show up, meaning Sarah was town and Jamie really just wants a fair game?

This is certainly possible.

Hi Sarah,

You have to actually name the person you are voting for.

Here, try typing "##Vote Brainbomb".

That's how it works.

It helps if you tell us why you are voting for a particular person.

What have you noticed about Foxcastle so far?

HE IS PLANNING SOMETHING!

SARAH HAS CAUGHT HIM!

Jamie hand holds sarah. then seemingly is ecstatic fox is being scummy. but this may also be jamie mocking both sarah and fox.its hard to tell.

What the fuck is going on here?

No we should not end.

Jamie reacts to fox wanting to end hammer
he then asks if fox is drunk

it would appear jamie is attempting to slander or discredit fox to give sarahs push some validity. if anyone has a different interpretation im all ears.

Why cant he just be a nice helpful person.
Ik someone asked but u cant remember if anyone answered but we do not know each other.

[worcej]

@sarah - do you know bozo?

[SarahK24]

@sarah - do you know bozo?

I dont know anyone in this game

[worcej]

Noted

[SarahK24]

brainbomb: "Im at

fox town
bozo town
emc town
jamie town

xorx scum
sarah scum
damo scum"


How confident are u in those answers

Sarah seems to be more aware than shes letting on here

Oh I was just asking him if he was really sure about his answer for me

[SarahK24]

brainbomb: "Im at

fox town
bozo town
emc town
jamie town

xorx scum
sarah scum
damo scum"


How confident are u in those answers

Sarah seems to be more aware than shes letting on here

Oh I was just asking him if he was really sure about his answer for me

I hope everyone knows that I am aware of what I am lol

[brainbomb]

Jamie is not a very nice person. he happened to be scum this game but he isnt friendly regardless of alignment. Typically mafia is about trying to detour around Jamie who obstructs the natural order of joy and effort. his obstruction usually just harms town

[xorxes]

Yes, Fox is really possible. Worcej I give the benefit of being the target of Brain fake claim.

Also, do you think I played right? I was expecting to have another night, but it was clear it won't happen.

Ok, I see. The actual point when he first softed was way earlier, 5 hours before EOD:

@Xorxes - I have a question for you. Have you ever saw me being so sure about someone being scum as I am about Jamiet? And what possible explanation for this you have?

I think if he had kept quiet after that we would have lynched Jamie anyway and rivera might still be alive. If it is true that neither you nor Fox noticed this, and you are the final two scum.

Was Jamie the one doing all the work for you?

[SarahK24]

Jamie is not a very nice person. he happened to be scum this game but he isnt friendly regardless of alignment. Typically mafia is about trying to detour around Jamie who obstructs the natural order of joy and effort. his obstruction usually just harms town

Hmmm, well I didn't know that...
I guess he was trying to throw me under the bus making everybody think I was scum with him.
Hmph

[xorxes]

@sarah - do you know bozo?

Further proof that you are not reading the thread, because I already explained to you what that was about.

[worcej]

Yes, Fox is really possible. Worcej I give the benefit of being the target of Brain fake claim.

Also, do you think I played right? I was expecting to have another night, but it was clear it won't happen.

Ok, I see. The actual point when he first softed was way earlier, 5 hours before EOD:

@Xorxes - I have a question for you. Have you ever saw me being so sure about someone being scum as I am about Jamiet? And what possible explanation for this you have?

I think if he had kept quiet after that we would have lynched Jamie anyway and rivera might still be alive. If it is true that neither you nor Fox noticed this, and you are the final two scum.

Was Jamie the one doing all the work for you?

I did not interpret his message to you as a soft-claim, more as attempting to persuade you to his read at the time. Then again, I am not as observant as you are.

You are probably right on if he kept quiet, but you cannot blame him for ensuring the lynch happened unless someone else happened. How does me not noticing the soft aimed at you make me scum again? That connection doesn't make sense and seems forced.

[worcej]

@sarah - do you know bozo?

Further proof that you are not reading the thread, because I already explained to you what that was about.

Are you just an asshole at random or when you're forcing opinions on people?

Sorry I do have to catch up because my availability isn't great. Are you busy scumming Damo/Fox/Sarah/Brain for the same issue?

[xorxes]

Ok, I see. The actual point when he first softed was way earlier, 5 hours before EOD:

@Xorxes - I have a question for you. Have you ever saw me being so sure about someone being scum as I am about Jamiet? And what possible explanation for this you have?

I think if he had kept quiet after that we would have lynched Jamie anyway and rivera might still be alive. If it is true that neither you nor Fox noticed this, and you are the final two scum.

Was Jamie the one doing all the work for you?

I did not interpret his message to you as a soft-claim, more as attempting to persuade you to his read at the time. Then again, I am not as observant as you are.

You are probably right on if he kept quiet, but you cannot blame him for ensuring the lynch happened unless someone else happened. How does me not noticing the soft aimed at you make me scum again? That connection doesn't make sense and seems forced.

The lynch was already guaranteed when he claimed. But it would only have helped to keep quiet if the two scum are in worcej/Fox/Sarah/brain. Everyone else was already aware.

Not noticing the soft does not make you scum, it only means you were not reading very closely (neither was Fox). Especially my response to the soft was very revealing. I realized too late I should have been more discreet, but then maybe damo/bozo would not have noticed. So probably it was inevitable to let the cat out of the bag.

Not reading closely is an indicator of being scum, but obviously not proof.

[xorxes]

@sarah - do you know bozo?

Further proof that you are not reading the thread, because I already explained to you what that was about.

Are you just an asshole at random or when you're forcing opinions on people?

Sorry I do have to catch up because my availability isn't great. Are you busy scumming Damo/Fox/Sarah/Brain for the same issue?

damo was paying attention.

Fox, yes, like you.

Brain and Sarah are special cases, for wildly different reasons.

brain would probably have caught it but he wasn't there. I think brain is town. The more I read the more convinced I become. Knowing that Jamie was scum makes it way more clear.

Sarah... open question.

If the team was Sarah-bozo, then it doesn't matter that he claimed because bozo already knew.

[brainbomb]

##Vote Foxcastle

[brainbomb]

Jamie is not a very nice person. he happened to be scum this game but he isnt friendly regardless of alignment. Typically mafia is about trying to detour around Jamie who obstructs the natural order of joy and effort. his obstruction usually just harms town

Hmmm, well I didn't know that...
I guess he was trying to throw me under the bus making everybody think I was scum with him.
Hmph

this is your best post all game. and I think there is something to be said for this logic.

[brainbomb]

I think Jamie telegraphed you way too hard for you to he scum. He wouldve kept a lower profile if you were his mate.

what caused a stir was you voted fox, and then fox claimed scum and behaved strangely and by the end of it Jamie acted like fox just needed it out of his system.

but then in jamies reads he still puts fox 3rd as scum because when a scumbuddy claims scum you cant very well remove them from poe easily

[brainbomb]

FOX POSTS

The only problem with me enjoying Bozo being so wrong is that I think he's town and he's wrong about me not being town. I still think Bo is town too, but I could be wrong about that.

I still feel that Damo is scum. I should actually re-read him, though I doubt there's much there.

I think everyone on the BunnyGo wagon looks townie. However, it would make sense for Jamiet or Xorxes to be scum, and they shifted to keep the Bo question alive for a future mislynch. I think it's possible, if unlikely.

Rdrivera looks scummy to me, but I am usually wrong on that, so Rdrivera is probably town. EMC is townie. SarahK is probably town, unless Bo is scum, in which case she might actually have followed him.

Worcej and Brainbomb are null-ish at the moment. They could be scum.

Assuming it's TvT and based on how I'd expect scum to distribute themselves, I think it's: one of Rdrivera and Bozo (though I'm townreading bozo still); one of Worcej and Brainbomb; and one of Damo and Jamiet.

Town reads: Bozo, EMC, Fox, Jamiet, Rdrivera, Xorxes, Worcej.

Scum reads: Brain, Damo.

Nulls: Bo, SarahK.

Xorxes is town. Worcej and EMC seem townie to me. SarahK does not seem like noob scum, so she gets a townread. My gut read of Rdrivera is scum, but as I have learned, my gut read of him is reversed, so I'm tentatively marking him town.

Damo is the one that I think is scummiest in the range of "trying to look normal." I've gone sour on Bozo—I think he could be scum, because he's playing very poorly. I think he plays much better as town, and he played very well last game as scum when he didn't know his teammates.

Here's why I think Jamiet is town: scum would have been paying close attention to Kgray's reads, and paying close attention to people who were going back to try to dissect her reads. So I think in general that scum would have recognized that I was quoting Kgray's reads. Jamiet confused my summary of Kgray's reads for my own, ergo, Jamiet was not paying close attention to Kgray's reads, from which we conclude he is not scum.

Town to scum:

Jamiet
Xorxes
Worcej
EMC
Rdri​vera
SarahK
Bozo
Brainbomb
Damo

Pro​blem being, I don't think Bozo is scum. So it's probably Damo, Brainbomb, and let's just take a wild stab at Worcej or SarahK.

Fox ISO is quite fascinating

[brainbomb]

I think it might just be worcej/fox based on what im reading.

[brainbomb]

probably someone else already said it. but yea. I think xorxes read on me is moat likely to come from him as town. bozo just hasnt seemed to really be out of his character. damo can be scum if heavy bussing was the plan.

sarah was spotlighted far too much by jamie. it just doesnt make sense