M1010 Mini-Mafia

[worcej]

Unfortunately I have to leave and will miss EOD. Town, try not to lynch me, that would be a mistake.

This is not out of bozos townrange to leave a PR - like crumb to bait a nk. Hes done it before and its worked. On the other hand we know he wasnt a PR and wasnt Joat
so its hard to imagine h3 does this as a goon

Why not? It buys credit in the moment. I don't see how it isn't in his possibilities to do it.

[worcej]

Because they could?

Because they know that there's a theme going on that scum don't vote together?

Because they decided N1 that they would all end on the same wagon?

No idea. Any reason the would NOT do it as scum?

I wouldn't. I think it unlikely both would.

What were worcej's options there? He had been townreading bo. He was on a wagon by himself.

Exactly. I didn't like bo and wanted bozo lynched on that day, yet once again no one paid attention. I felt forced to vote damo in the off chance someone else would believe me down the road.

[damo666]

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... zotheclown

I meant the phrase 'rule of three deployment'

are you asking if rule of three is a thing

yeah

[brainbomb]

I meant the phrase 'rule of three deployment'

are you asking if rule of three is a thing

yeah

I think it happens sure

[worcej]

@Fox, @worcej: is there any reason you can give me that suggests you are not teammates? (or if anyone else has a good reason)

I think we are teammates, just that we're both town.

I don't know how to prove that in a way that you'll find to be good considering that you are arriving to this conclusion based off process of elimination of pairs and you don't find something towny in us together somehow.

[brainbomb]

Jamie oozes towniness, and I find it strange that you don't see it. I might be blind to something, but I can't see the slightest bit of imposture there. The "case" you have on him, changing his vote to Bunny in preparation for a mislynch of bo_sox, can easily be turned against you: you seemed to know bo_sox was a mislynch that Jamie would be preparing for, so you were preparing a mislynch of Jamie for after bo flipped. I'm not making that case because it is just as weak. Is there anything against Jamie besides that vote change?

Uh.
well thats an ugly read

[xorxes]

There was not the least chance of doing anything D3. rivera had tracked Jamie. The only strange thing is how long it took you two to joint the wagon, because apparently neither of you had been reading the thread very closely.

Incorrect - I caught what rdr said but didn't want to illicit needless attention by moving or asking more about it. I kept my vote with time to spare to make a change. He decided to explicitly comment after his hidden claim.

I knew what you were getting at when you said 'Are you caught up?' and I responded.

Do you mean this:

What is "the damo thing"?

The case for damo - him getting votes and being a wagon.

What do you mean by "scummed to death via theater"?

Are you caught up?

I think that there is a good possibility that a lot of the posts today are theater. The key component of this is pairing involving yourself, bozo, rdr, Jamie, and Brain.

I'm not sure you know even now where his hidden claim was.

In any case, it is not very relevant anymore. The point here is that you and Fox voting together for Jamie means absolutely nothing about either of your alignments or whether or not you can be teammates.

[xorxes]

Unfortunately I have to leave and will miss EOD. Town, try not to lynch me, that would be a mistake.

This is not out of bozos townrange to leave a PR - like crumb to bait a nk. Hes done it before and its worked. On the other hand we know he wasnt a PR and wasnt Joat
so its hard to imagine h3 does this as a goon

Yes, that's the quote that made me think bozo could be a PR too.

[xorxes]

@Fox, @worcej: is there any reason you can give me that suggests you are not teammates? (or if anyone else has a good reason)

I think we are teammates, just that we're both town.

I don't know how to prove that in a way that you'll find to be good considering that you are arriving to this conclusion based off process of elimination of pairs and you don't find something towny in us together somehow.

I don't find anything to suggest you could not be scum teammates, correct, like a fight that didn't look like theatrics, one pushing the other in a way that looks sincere, etc.

This doesn't prove that you are the final pair, but I haven't found anything yet that I could use to rule that out.

[xorxes]

I assume scum killed Kgray simply to be vindicate in making us read through her EON reads without any spacing between entries...

I did not see any cop crumbs.

Town reads: Bozo, EMC, Fox, Jamiet, Rdrivera, Xorxes, Worcej.

Scum reads: Brain, Damo.

Nulls: Bo, SarahK.

I think it's early enough that scum aren't worried about eliminating someone who's going to push a wagon, so I think it's more likely that did it to freeze her incorrect reads in place. (As well as avoid the Doctor, I assume.)

@Fox, you thought this might be important at the time, but you never pursued it further. Also, I don't thing you did anything similar to look into why emc was killed. Comments?

[Foxcastle]

I assume scum killed Kgray simply to be vindicate in making us read through her EON reads without any spacing between entries...

I did not see any cop crumbs.

Town reads: Bozo, EMC, Fox, Jamiet, Rdrivera, Xorxes, Worcej.

Scum reads: Brain, Damo.

Nulls: Bo, SarahK.

I think it's early enough that scum aren't worried about eliminating someone who's going to push a wagon, so I think it's more likely that did it to freeze her incorrect reads in place. (As well as avoid the Doctor, I assume.)

@Fox, you thought this might be important at the time, but you never pursued it further. Also, I don't thing you did anything similar to look into why emc was killed. Comments?

EMC didn't have strong reads, nor was he systematic about them, nor does he have the reputation that makes a scum team worry about anyone going back to follow them. I did have a flippant thought when he was NK'd that maybe Jamiet had killed him out of pique. That's the thought I should have followed, instead of thinking I'd caught Jamiet in some kind of towntell with this.

But this kind of lead is hard to follow in the moment, and nobody was particularly interested in the theory anyway. If it's Worcej and Bozo (or even Sarah as a null), then I'll have been on the right track twice. Unfortunately, the pangs of martyrdom usually diminish any thrill of vindication.

[xorxes]

I assume scum killed Kgray simply to be vindicate in making us read through her EON reads without any spacing between entries...

I did not see any cop crumbs.

Town reads: Bozo, EMC, Fox, Jamiet, Rdrivera, Xorxes, Worcej.

Scum reads: Brain, Damo.

Nulls: Bo, SarahK.

I think it's early enough that scum aren't worried about eliminating someone who's going to push a wagon, so I think it's more likely that did it to freeze her incorrect reads in place. (As well as avoid the Doctor, I assume.)

@Fox, you thought this might be important at the time, but you never pursued it further. Also, I don't thing you did anything similar to look into why emc was killed. Comments?

EMC didn't have strong reads, nor was he systematic about them, nor does he have the reputation that makes a scum team worry about anyone going back to follow them. I did have a flippant thought when he was NK'd that maybe Jamiet had killed him out of pique. That's the thought I should have followed, instead of thinking I'd caught Jamiet in some kind of towntell with this.

But this kind of lead is hard to follow in the moment, and nobody was particularly interested in the theory anyway. If it's Worcej and Bozo (or even Sarah as a null), then I'll have been on the right track twice. Unfortunately, the pangs of martyrdom usually diminish any thrill of vindication.

What's your current read of worcej? Do you believe he found the post where rivera softed his claim? Did you find it? I'm not sure I follow his comments about EOD3.

What are your potential pairs down to?

[Foxcastle]

@Fox, you thought this might be important at the time, but you never pursued it further. Also, I don't thing you did anything similar to look into why emc was killed. Comments?

EMC didn't have strong reads, nor was he systematic about them, nor does he have the reputation that makes a scum team worry about anyone going back to follow them. I did have a flippant thought when he was NK'd that maybe Jamiet had killed him out of pique. That's the thought I should have followed, instead of thinking I'd caught Jamiet in some kind of towntell with this.

But this kind of lead is hard to follow in the moment, and nobody was particularly interested in the theory anyway. If it's Worcej and Bozo (or even Sarah as a null), then I'll have been on the right track twice. Unfortunately, the pangs of martyrdom usually diminish any thrill of vindication.

What's your current read of worcej? Do you believe he found the post where rivera softed his claim? Did you find it? I'm not sure I follow his comments about EOD3.

What are your potential pairs down to?

My current read of worcej is that he looks very townie but is likely scum. That is both by both POE and because he sits on wagons in places that I think make sense for scum, including in relation to Jamiet (but there's not enough information for that to be more than circumstantial).

I don't know about Rdrivera's soft claim; I didn't see it, I haven't gone back to find it. As I explained, I was skimming D3 because I was busy with other stuff that day.

[Foxcastle]

And I listed my remaining pairs a bit ago. But I think it really has to be between Brain, Worcej, and SarahK.

[bozotheclown]

I assume scum killed Kgray simply to be vindicate in making us read through her EON reads without any spacing between entries...

I did not see any cop crumbs.

Town reads: Bozo, EMC, Fox, Jamiet, Rdrivera, Xorxes, Worcej.

Scum reads: Brain, Damo.

Nulls: Bo, SarahK.

I think it's early enough that scum aren't worried about eliminating someone who's going to push a wagon, so I think it's more likely that did it to freeze her incorrect reads in place. (As well as avoid the Doctor, I assume.)

@Fox, you thought this might be important at the time, but you never pursued it further. Also, I don't thing you did anything similar to look into why emc was killed. Comments?

EMC didn't have strong reads, nor was he systematic about them, nor does he have the reputation that makes a scum team worry about anyone going back to follow them. I did have a flippant thought when he was NK'd that maybe Jamiet had killed him out of pique. That's the thought I should have followed, instead of thinking I'd caught Jamiet in some kind of towntell with this.

But this kind of lead is hard to follow in the moment, and nobody was particularly interested in the theory anyway. If it's Worcej and Bozo (or even Sarah as a null), then I'll have been on the right track twice. Unfortunately, the pangs of martyrdom usually diminish any thrill of vindication.

I was interested in this comment, and I asked you why you thought the scum decided their kill in the last 18 minutes of the night, but that is one of the questions you refused to answer.

[xorxes]

And I listed my remaining pairs a bit ago. But I think it really has to be between Brain, Worcej, and SarahK.

Join us on worcej then?

Do you really believe it's possible brain and Jamie made us go through all that shit as theatrics?

[Foxcastle]

@Fox, you thought this might be important at the time, but you never pursued it further. Also, I don't thing you did anything similar to look into why emc was killed. Comments?

EMC didn't have strong reads, nor was he systematic about them, nor does he have the reputation that makes a scum team worry about anyone going back to follow them. I did have a flippant thought when he was NK'd that maybe Jamiet had killed him out of pique. That's the thought I should have followed, instead of thinking I'd caught Jamiet in some kind of towntell with this.

But this kind of lead is hard to follow in the moment, and nobody was particularly interested in the theory anyway. If it's Worcej and Bozo (or even Sarah as a null), then I'll have been on the right track twice. Unfortunately, the pangs of martyrdom usually diminish any thrill of vindication.

I was interested in this comment, and I asked you why you thought the scum decided their kill in the last 18 minutes of the night, but that is one of the questions you refused to answer.

I don’t think that. Her EON post is a compilation, she made other reads during the day that could have informed them. I proposed an idea, and it wasn’t perfect, but attacking me for it being imperfect is not scum hunting.

[Foxcastle]

And I listed my remaining pairs a bit ago. But I think it really has to be between Brain, Worcej, and SarahK.

Join us on worcej then?

Do you really believe it's possible brain and Jamie made us go through all that shit as theatrics?

I expect I will, yes. But if I do so now Worcej will just wait to vote to save himself, and I was kind of hoping to keep that option for me.

And I think it’s possible, though far from certain, that Brain and Jamiet put on a SvS show for us.

[worcej]

There was not the least chance of doing anything D3. rivera had tracked Jamie. The only strange thing is how long it took you two to joint the wagon, because apparently neither of you had been reading the thread very closely.

Incorrect - I caught what rdr said but didn't want to illicit needless attention by moving or asking more about it. I kept my vote with time to spare to make a change. He decided to explicitly comment after his hidden claim.

I knew what you were getting at when you said 'Are you caught up?' and I responded.

Do you mean this:

What is "the damo thing"?

The case for damo - him getting votes and being a wagon.

What do you mean by "scummed to death via theater"?

Are you caught up?

I think that there is a good possibility that a lot of the posts today are theater. The key component of this is pairing involving yourself, bozo, rdr, Jamie, and Brain.

I'm not sure you know even now where his hidden claim was.

In any case, it is not very relevant anymore. The point here is that you and Fox voting together for Jamie means absolutely nothing about either of your alignments or whether or not you can be teammates.

This was what I saw that tipped me off:

You see Xorxes when I do an ISO on someone and change or update my read on them, as you have seen me do many times, you'll notice that I have the courtesy to quote or summarise the parts which stand out to me, page numbers and all.

What you are doing is saying "Oh, I have done an ISO on Jamie and I have completely reversed my opinion. Yes, he's scum, no doubt," leaving me nothing I can respond to.

Classic dirty tactics right there.

You're right. It's hard to pinpoint the exact reasons, because it's more about tone. I will try to come up with something better.

I may still go back to brain, but I'm not so sure anymore as I was before, given how laid back Fox and worcej have been with their votes.

[worcej]

You see Xorxes when I do an ISO on someone and change or update my read on them, as you have seen me do many times, you'll notice that I have the courtesy to quote or summarise the parts which stand out to me, page numbers and all.

What you are doing is saying "Oh, I have done an ISO on Jamie and I have completely reversed my opinion. Yes, he's scum, no doubt," leaving me nothing I can respond to.

Classic dirty tactics right there.

You're right. It's hard to pinpoint the exact reasons, because it's more about tone. I will try to come up with something better.

I may still go back to brain, but I'm not so sure anymore as I was before, given how laid back Fox and worcej have been with their votes.

Yes, Fox is really possible. Worcej I give the benefit of being the target of Brain fake claim.

Also, do you think I played right? I was expecting to have another night, but it was clear it won't happen.