M1010 Mini-Mafia

[SarahK24]

Also, can everyone just agree on Sarah or SarahK it gets kinda confusing and I might miss something....

[worcej]

##VOTE worcej

##vote bozo

[bozotheclown]

Okay...
Bozo: probably town
Brain: seems alright
Damo: idk
Fox: I still think he's a scum witch worcej
Jamiet: I think he might be a scum, but idk could be town
Rdrivera:: I dont really have an impression of him... he hasn't asked me much
Xorxes: may be scum idk
Worcej: still think he's with foxcastle
I'm still working on trying to work on how to identify who's scum vs town before I really crack down on anything else

@Sarah, if you ever read this, can you do me the favor of explaining this read you have of the Fox-worcej connection?

Chances are that you are in fact correct. That pair is a strong contender for being the last two remaining mafia. But we need to understand what made you make that connection. Show us some post from them that made you think that, something they said, something they did, something. Give us your train of thought.

Remember that we need to see you as town so we don't lynch you. And the best way for us to see you as town is if you explain yourself as openly as possible. Even if you don't think your reasons are very impressive, just tell us what they are. When you don't give reasons it all seems meaningless.

Idk honestly I just keep putting them because it is the only thought I've had ...
Just from their interactions on day 1....

Is this the interaction you are talking about:

From my read, this is what I actively compiled:

• Joke phase participants: EMC, Fox, Bunny, Brain
• Discussions about PRs in this game: Jamie
• Strategy/Approach Mentions: Bunny, kgray
• 'Normal' behavior: Bo, brain, Bunny, xorxes, Jamie

Draw from this what you will.

I protest Worcej's sorting. I was more normal than I was jokey.

I protest Worcej's sorting. I was more normal than I was jokey.

Noted - we'll sort out said protest at a later date.

What do you think there is to sort out?

What do you think there is to sort out?

I am trying not to get into a worthless argument with you that will lead me to scum read you almost immediately based on your responses. Everything else you've done so far is townie and I wanna keep you there instead of WIFOM'ing away.

That's all good. I don't even think there's anything on this particular thing to come back to, even.

[bozotheclown]

EBWOP/FTFM

I think you are pointing a game where you were scum read as town as a justification for your getting scum read as town this game, but town get scum read and mislynched all of the time. Is there something particular about M54 that should indicate you are town this game?

I don't think you are interested in understanding what I'm saying.

You have said you think I am town, so why do you think I would not want to understand what you are saying?

[worcej]

That was a misstatement on my part, and beside the point. I was widely and vocally described as "looking bad" last game by numerous players and nearly mislynched for it. It was obvious and recent, so why does Bozo need a refresher on it?

Because he is fishing for statements to build a case.

Foxcastle's argument appears to be that when he does things to "look bad", he must be town, and he is citing M54 as an example, so I want to know what exactly he is referring to.

I disagree - I think he just said he was bad as town, which many sorted to be true. I was one of them - which it turns out he was a PR, which I cannot recall the last time he was a PR, and I thought his bad play was more nervous PR.

Since he isn't a PR this time, that doesn't apply - but I've been pretty sure Fox is town for most of this game whereas I question you heavily.

[SarahK24]

@Sarah, if you ever read this, can you do me the favor of explaining this read you have of the Fox-worcej connection?

Chances are that you are in fact correct. That pair is a strong contender for being the last two remaining mafia. But we need to understand what made you make that connection. Show us some post from them that made you think that, something they said, something they did, something. Give us your train of thought.

Remember that we need to see you as town so we don't lynch you. And the best way for us to see you as town is if you explain yourself as openly as possible. Even if you don't think your reasons are very impressive, just tell us what they are. When you don't give reasons it all seems meaningless.

Idk honestly I just keep putting them because it is the only thought I've had ...
Just from their interactions on day 1....

Is this the interaction you are talking about:

From my read, this is what I actively compiled:

• Joke phase participants: EMC, Fox, Bunny, Brain
• Discussions about PRs in this game: Jamie
• Strategy/Approach Mentions: Bunny, kgray
• 'Normal' behavior: Bo, brain, Bunny, xorxes, Jamie

Draw from this what you will.

I protest Worcej's sorting. I was more normal than I was jokey.

Noted - we'll sort out said protest at a later date.

What do you think there is to sort out?

I am trying not to get into a worthless argument with you that will lead me to scum read you almost immediately based on your responses. Everything else you've done so far is townie and I wanna keep you there instead of WIFOM'ing away.

That's all good. I don't even think there's anything on this particular thing to come back to, even.

Yeah... in my head I thought they were linked

[SarahK24]

Also, can everyone just agree on Sarah or SarahK it gets kinda confusing and I might miss something....

Yeah @everybody just use Sarah

[xorxes]

I generally don't think Bozo is scum, but didn't have a firm enough read on him (as I do on you) to exclude him entirely. I think there's a chance he rolled scum again and has just changed his meta; however, I also recall a prior game where I found him to be similarly exasperating and he was town, but I don't remember which it was.

I didn't say exclude him entirely, I said to exculde the Bozo + Worcej team.

What do you thing of Brain + Worcej? Would scum brain gamble like that with the two scum that could not have been tracked?

Yes, I understand the difference between excluding teams and excluding Bozo entirely. I was reacting to your suggestion, not ignoring it.

Can you point me at the Brain/Worcej thing you mean? I have a lot of tabs open and it's all kinda become a blur...

In his tracker claim, he claimed he had seen worcej do the kill.

[bozotheclown]

Because he is fishing for statements to build a case.

Foxcastle's argument appears to be that when he does things to "look bad", he must be town, and he is citing M54 as an example, so I want to know what exactly he is referring to.

I disagree - I think he just said he was bad as town, which many sorted to be true. I was one of them - which it turns out he was a PR, which I cannot recall the last time he was a PR, and I thought his bad play was more nervous PR.

Since he isn't a PR this time, that doesn't apply - but I've been pretty sure Fox is town for most of this game whereas I question you heavily.

I do not believe he thinks he was bad as town in M54, and I do not think he was bad at town. The only reason he was a lynch target by D5 was that he had bad luck ending on emc instead of Bob D3. If he turns out to be town this game, I will agree he has not played a good town game.

[worcej]

Foxcastle's argument appears to be that when he does things to "look bad", he must be town, and he is citing M54 as an example, so I want to know what exactly he is referring to.

I disagree - I think he just said he was bad as town, which many sorted to be true. I was one of them - which it turns out he was a PR, which I cannot recall the last time he was a PR, and I thought his bad play was more nervous PR.

Since he isn't a PR this time, that doesn't apply - but I've been pretty sure Fox is town for most of this game whereas I question you heavily.

I do not believe he thinks he was bad as town in M54, and I do not think he was bad at town. The only reason he was a lynch target by D5 was that he had bad luck ending on emc instead of Bob D3. If he turns out to be town this game, I will agree he has not played a good town game.

Why?

[bozotheclown]

I disagree - I think he just said he was bad as town, which many sorted to be true. I was one of them - which it turns out he was a PR, which I cannot recall the last time he was a PR, and I thought his bad play was more nervous PR.

Since he isn't a PR this time, that doesn't apply - but I've been pretty sure Fox is town for most of this game whereas I question you heavily.

I do not believe he thinks he was bad as town in M54, and I do not think he was bad at town. The only reason he was a lynch target by D5 was that he had bad luck ending on emc instead of Bob D3. If he turns out to be town this game, I will agree he has not played a good town game.

Why?

Can you be more specific?

[Foxcastle]

Because he is fishing for statements to build a case.

Foxcastle's argument appears to be that when he does things to "look bad", he must be town, and he is citing M54 as an example, so I want to know what exactly he is referring to.

I disagree - I think he just said he was bad as town, which many sorted to be true. I was one of them - which it turns out he was a PR, which I cannot recall the last time he was a PR, and I thought his bad play was more nervous PR.

Since he isn't a PR this time, that doesn't apply - but I've been pretty sure Fox is town for most of this game whereas I question you heavily.

Also not really what I mean. I am not talking about my play at all. (Although, anyone who cares to check would see that I am constantly scumread as town, so... I had thought that eventually people would figure out that the things they were scumreading me for were NAI, but apparently town cannot even get past the hump of understanding that scum want to look good, and you should be rooting out the players who are succeeding at that.)

When town collectively reads someone as "looking bad" they are mostly wrong to link it to scum.

[Foxcastle]

Foxcastle's argument appears to be that when he does things to "look bad", he must be town, and he is citing M54 as an example, so I want to know what exactly he is referring to.

I disagree - I think he just said he was bad as town, which many sorted to be true. I was one of them - which it turns out he was a PR, which I cannot recall the last time he was a PR, and I thought his bad play was more nervous PR.

Since he isn't a PR this time, that doesn't apply - but I've been pretty sure Fox is town for most of this game whereas I question you heavily.

I do not believe he thinks he was bad as town in M54, and I do not think he was bad at town. The only reason he was a lynch target by D5 was that he had bad luck ending on emc instead of Bob D3. If he turns out to be town this game, I will agree he has not played a good town game.

Do you think town or scum have more incentive to play a good town game?

[bozotheclown]

Foxcastle's argument appears to be that when he does things to "look bad", he must be town, and he is citing M54 as an example, so I want to know what exactly he is referring to.

I disagree - I think he just said he was bad as town, which many sorted to be true. I was one of them - which it turns out he was a PR, which I cannot recall the last time he was a PR, and I thought his bad play was more nervous PR.

Since he isn't a PR this time, that doesn't apply - but I've been pretty sure Fox is town for most of this game whereas I question you heavily.

Also not really what I mean. I am not talking about my play at all. (Although, anyone who cares to check would see that I am constantly scumread as town, so... I had thought that eventually people would figure out that the things they were scumreading me for were NAI, but apparently town cannot even get past the hump of understanding that scum want to look good, and you should be rooting out the players who are succeeding at that.)

When town collectively reads someone as "looking bad" they are mostly wrong to link it to scum.

The fact that you keep pointing that out makes me think you are trying to look bad on purpose as scum. You stated this on D1:

I plan to approach it pretty similarly to last game, but hopefully learning from some of my mistakes.

One thing I want to do more of is pushing my "gut" reads. I felt like you were scum for most of last game, but I couldn't really come up with tangible evidence for it even when you were misconstruing everything I was saying. You're not going to get away with that this game

Actually overall I'll probably try to rely less on finding "tangible evidence." A lot of my scumreads last game (rdr, Fox, Tem and damo) turned out to be based on what I'd consider "tangible evidence" but they all turned out to be town.

Yeah, town can look scummy because they're not as worried about trying to be perfectly townie. Scum are trying to look perfectly townie, and often succeed pretty well.

I have never seen you claim you were scum or refuse to answer questions before as town or scum. I think you are arguing that scum would not do things like this, but what motivation do you have to do these things as town?

[Foxcastle]

If I confess again to being scum, will you all just endhammer me to put me out of this misery?

[bozotheclown]

I disagree - I think he just said he was bad as town, which many sorted to be true. I was one of them - which it turns out he was a PR, which I cannot recall the last time he was a PR, and I thought his bad play was more nervous PR.

Since he isn't a PR this time, that doesn't apply - but I've been pretty sure Fox is town for most of this game whereas I question you heavily.

I do not believe he thinks he was bad as town in M54, and I do not think he was bad at town. The only reason he was a lynch target by D5 was that he had bad luck ending on emc instead of Bob D3. If he turns out to be town this game, I will agree he has not played a good town game.

Do you think town or scum have more incentive to play a good town game?

Scum are obviously trying to look like town, but town should try to play a good town game also. It seems to me you are saying you are "too scummy to be scum", but it is questionable to point that out about yourself.

[xorxes]

If I confess again to being scum, will you all just endhammer me to put me out of this misery?

Do you prefer to play as town or as scum? Which games do you enjoy more?

[damo666]

If I confess again to being scum, will you all just endhammer me to put me out of this misery?

##vote Fox

[Foxcastle]

If I confess again to being scum, will you all just endhammer me to put me out of this misery?

Do you prefer to play as town or as scum? Which games do you enjoy more?

I currently prefer not to play.

I should really stop trying to have this semi-philosophical discussion.

[Foxcastle]

If I confess again to being scum, will you all just endhammer me to put me out of this misery?

##vote Fox

My angel of mercy.