M1010 Mini-Mafia

[xorxes]

What makes me think Brain is town is his meltdown. How many times have you seen Brain go berserk as town? I don't think he is faking it and I don't remember him being angry this way as scum. As scum he is usually noise but not with this anger.

I have seen him meltdown as scum before, but don't ask me about game number because I have no idea.

Do you think the misattributions were honest mistake, reaction test, or trolling?

Do you think his recurrent PR fishing is just because he doesn't care as town?

[rdrivera2005]

So I'm awake and bathed and refreshed and I've spent 10 minutes catching up on the 2.5 pages of action that occurred since I was last here.

I am genuinely pleased to see that Brainbomb has calmed down.

Brainbomb has decided that the scumteam is Damo, Rdrivera, and Sarah.

Brainbomb has created a case on Damo which is partly based on quoting Rdrivera and claiming those were Damo's words. Very weird. I scumread Damo myself but that's just..... weird.

Brainbomb I'm curious about your read on Rdrivera, could you explain it? I scumlean him right now but I'm worried it's OMGUS because of his terrible attempt to lynch me. Is he buddying you? He was your #1 defender during your angry outburst earlier in this day.

And Rdrivera is trolling me at this point. I have now asked him a clear and specific question, on three separate occasions during this day (and at least once last night too) and on each occasion he ignores my query and doesn't even acknowledge it. It's like Rdrivera has me on mute while still pushing me as a lynch choice.

@RDRIVERA PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU WILL NOT ANSWER ME

My vote preferences are now Brainbomb > Rdrivera > Damo

I will answer you. My scumread on you started with your move from Bo to Bunny in D1 EOD. That is exactly what I would have done as scum, make sure you get a highly vocal towny that was not online and set the next myslynch. Then on D2 you could comfortably sit on Damo (next myslynch?). But itv wasn't needed as Brain decided to tilt things.

I don't see any of your usual towntells, the passion you put into the game when you are town, you are just floating, coasting

Another thing is giving Sarah a free pass. Sarah is either scum or scum wet dream at lylo, I expect the most experienced people to recognize this, but they are just too busy tryng to push his brilliant reads or they are scum like you.

[rdrivera2005]

What makes me think Brain is town is his meltdown. How many times have you seen Brain go berserk as town? I don't think he is faking it and I don't remember him being angry this way as scum. As scum he is usually noise but not with this anger.

I have seen him meltdown as scum before, but don't ask me about game number because I have no idea.

Do you think the misattributions were honest mistake, reaction test, or trolling?

Do you think his recurrent PR fishing is just because he doesn't care as town?

What PR fishing? The D1 thing? It's only PR fishing if PRs are stupid or clueless, real PR fishing as way more subtle.
The claims are annoying, I strongly believe fakeclaimg as town is an extreme resource that should be used in very specific situations and not like this, but I still focus on motivation. Scum is winning, why stir the pot? Why force people out of the comfort zone? At least 3 people townread Brain at night, he won't be an easy lynch today, why get all the focus. I don't buy it, ites too easy for scum to push his lynch and then say that it was his fault.

[xorxes]

What PR fishing? The D1 thing? It's only PR fishing if PRs are stupid or clueless, real PR fishing as way more subtle.

You didn't notice him doing any PR fishing today? He tried to elicit a tracker claim/disclaim a couple of times at least.

The claims are annoying, I strongly believe fakeclaimg as town is an extreme resource that should be used in very specific situations and not like this, but I still focus on motivation. Scum is winning, why stir the pot? Why force people out of the comfort zone?

I have already answered this, but you seem to disagree he would have been under a lot of pressure today with or without that claim.

At least 3 people townread Brain at night, he won't be an easy lynch today, why get all the focus. I don't buy it, ites too easy for scum to push his lynch and then say that it was his fault.

I'm not scum and I don't think Jamie is scum, so I don't believe scum are pushing this lynch. They may be latching on, if he is town, but they are not pushing it.

[xorxes]

I don't see any of your usual towntells, the passion you put into the game when you are town, you are just floating, coasting

I really really want to say something about this, but I don't want to answer for Jamie. Should I say it anyway?

[xorxes]

Scum is winning, why stir the pot?

That reminds me of Balki last game. Could you be this game's Balki?

Why would scum do such a stupid thing is not always a good argument. Sometimes scum do things that don't turn out the way they would have liked, or they miscalculate, or they just fuck up.

[rdrivera2005]

I don't see any of your usual towntells, the passion you put into the game when you are town, you are just floating, coasting

I really really want to say something about this, but I don't want to answer for Jamie. Should I say it anyway?

Say it, I don't mind.

[xorxes]

I don't see any of your usual towntells, the passion you put into the game when you are town, you are just floating, coasting

I really really want to say something about this, but I don't want to answer for Jamie. Should I say it anyway?

Say it, I don't mind.

Well, on the one hand you accuse Jamie of actively doing scummy things (actively switching a vote, pushing damo, pushing brain) and on the other hand you say he is floating and coasting. That's contradictory.

If you are looking for floaters, Fox and worcej seem like much better candidates. At this point they are sitting back and enjoying the show.

[xorxes]

@Sarah, now that you have started to see how the game works, can you tell us what it was that made you suspect that Fox and worcej were conspiring?

[Jamiet99uk]

And Rdrivera is trolling me at this point. I have now asked him a clear and specific question, on three separate occasions during this day (and at least once last night too) and on each occasion he ignores my query and doesn't even acknowledge it. It's like Rdrivera has me on mute while still pushing me as a lynch choice.

@RDRIVERA PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU WILL NOT ANSWER ME

My vote preferences are now Brainbomb > Rdrivera > Damo

I will answer you. My scumread on you started with your move from Bo to Bunny in D1 EOD. That is exactly what I would have done as scum, make sure you get a highly vocal towny that was not online and set the next myslynch. Then on D2 you could comfortably sit on Damo (next myslynch?). But itv wasn't needed as Brain decided to tilt things.

I don't see any of your usual towntells, the passion you put into the game when you are town, you are just floating, coasting

Another thing is giving Sarah a free pass. Sarah is either scum or scum wet dream at lylo, I expect the most experienced people to recognize this, but they are just too busy tryng to push his brilliant reads or they are scum like you.

Thank you for finally providing some proper information on why you claim to scumread me. I do have a few follow-up questions:

1. Why did I have to scream at you multiple times to get you to answer this?

2. How was my vote move on D1 "setting a mislynch* " for D2? When I moved my vote off Bo_Sox on D1 I clearly and emphatically stated why I had changed my read on him and thought he was a bad lynch. I then did not vote him at any point on D2. Please explain how you think I attempted to cause Bo_Sox to get mislynched on D2?

3. Your comments about me trying to "set up a mislynch" on Damo must be based on an assumption that Damo is town. I believe Damo is scum. Earlier today you said you didn't have a read on Damo. Why are you suddenly town-reading Damo?

4. I'm "floating" and "coasting" while pushing a mislynch on D1 and setting up two mislynches for D2 and D3? If I can achieve all that whilst "coasting" I sure would be a hugely dangerous scumbo if I put in any effort, huh?

* correct spelling

[rdrivera2005]

Only Xorxes and Jamiet seems to be around and I think both are scum, town is probably losing anyway.
I will spent most of the day with family and try to check when possible.

[rdrivera2005]

And Rdrivera is trolling me at this point. I have now asked him a clear and specific question, on three separate occasions during this day (and at least once last night too) and on each occasion he ignores my query and doesn't even acknowledge it. It's like Rdrivera has me on mute while still pushing me as a lynch choice.

@RDRIVERA PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU WILL NOT ANSWER ME

My vote preferences are now Brainbomb > Rdrivera > Damo

I will answer you. My scumread on you started with your move from Bo to Bunny in D1 EOD. That is exactly what I would have done as scum, make sure you get a highly vocal towny that was not online and set the next myslynch. Then on D2 you could comfortably sit on Damo (next myslynch?). But itv wasn't needed as Brain decided to tilt things.

I don't see any of your usual towntells, the passion you put into the game when you are town, you are just floating, coasting

Another thing is giving Sarah a free pass. Sarah is either scum or scum wet dream at lylo, I expect the most experienced people to recognize this, but they are just too busy tryng to push his brilliant reads or they are scum like you.

Thank you for finally providing some proper information on why you claim to scumread me. I do have a few follow-up questions:

1. Why did I have to scream at you multiple times to get you to answer this?

2. How was my vote move on D1 "setting a mislynch* " for D2? When I moved my vote off Bo_Sox on D1 I clearly and emphatically stated why I had changed my read on him and thought he was a bad lynch. I then did not vote him at any point on D2. Please explain how you think I attempted to cause Bo_Sox to get mislynched on D2?

3. Your comments about me trying to "set up a mislynch" on Damo must be based on an assumption that Damo is town. I believe Damo is scum. Earlier today you said you didn't have a read on Damo. Why are you suddenly town-reading Damo?

4. I'm "floating" and "coasting" while pushing a mislynch on D1 and setting up two mislynches for D2 and D3? If I can achieve all that whilst "coasting" I sure would be a hugely dangerous scumbo if I put in any effort, huh?

* correct spelling

1 - Because I already said most of this on my posts and didn't want to repeat myself.

2 and 4 - Exactly, you didn't push Bunny and neither Bo, you just moved opportunistically to lynch one and sit still while town lynch the other.

3 - If you look my reads from start of the day you will see I have Damo as town.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Rdrivera: I sat still on Damo because I think he's town. What should I have done? Jump onto Bo? Why would that have helped town?

Why do you so strongly townread Damo?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Rdrivera: I sat still on Damo because I think he's scum. What should I have done? Jump onto Bo? Why would that have helped town?

Why do you so strongly townread Damo?

EBWOP

[xorxes]

riveras insistence we lynch sarah to get it out of the way was odd for him. he usually doesnt say things like that

@rivera:

You will obviously disagree with brain here, but do you think it's a sincere assessment from him? Does he really believe you don't usually say things like that, or is he making that up?

[xorxes]

Only Xorxes and Jamiet seems to be around and I think both are scum, town is probably losing anyway.
I will spent most of the day with family and try to check when possible.

You seem sincere, but if you are town you are being very close minded at the moment.

If brain is scum, I have a hard time seeing you as his teammate defending him this hard unless you really want to change your meta around.

[rdrivera2005]

@Rdrivera: I sat still on Damo because I think he's town. What should I have done? Jump onto Bo? Why would that have helped town?

Why do you so strongly townread Damo?

You think he is town?

[rdrivera2005]

riveras insistence we lynch sarah to get it out of the way was odd for him. he usually doesnt say things like that

@rivera:

You will obviously disagree with brain here, but do you think it's a sincere assessment from him? Does he really believe you don't usually say things like that, or is he making that up?

I don't know, I am not usually a big fan of policy lynches, but in that case it was better to lynch her before we reach the last myslynch and before Bo. Seems so clear to me that I am really astonished people don't agree. Only EMC seemed to have understood my point.

[rdrivera2005]

Only Xorxes and Jamiet seems to be around and I think both are scum, town is probably losing anyway.
I will spent most of the day with family and try to check when possible.

You seem sincere, but if you are town you are being very close minded at the moment.

If brain is scum, I have a hard time seeing you as his teammate defending him this hard unless you really want to change your meta around.

I could be tunneling you (not Jamiet, he is scum), but my feeling is you have all figured out and this look so scummy to me. Your defense of Jamiet is the only thing that makes me question it, but I guess you don't have other option.

[xorxes]

riveras insistence we lynch sarah to get it out of the way was odd for him. he usually doesnt say things like that

@rivera:

You will obviously disagree with brain here, but do you think it's a sincere assessment from him? Does he really believe you don't usually say things like that, or is he making that up?

I don't know, I am not usually a big fan of policy lynches, but in that case it was better to lynch her before we reach the last myslynch and before Bo. Seems so clear to me that I am really astonished people don't agree. Only EMC seemed to have understood my point.

I was not asking about your reasons, but brain's reasons to make that assessment of you.

As for your reasons:
What difference would it have made if we lynched her before or after bo? If we were right about bo, then maybe lynching her was not necessary (we might have decided to go with Fox, for example). If we were wrong, as we were, then why not push for her lynch today?

If we had lynched her first and she was scum, we would have lynched bo next.
If we had lynched her first and she was town, we would have lynched bo next.

Given all that, the right call was to lynch bo first.

But that's not my focus at the moment. What I'd like to understand is why town!brain makes that shady comment about you. It doesn't seem to serve any purpose as town. As scum, it serves the purpose of preparing wifom clues for when he flips.