M1010 Mini-Mafia

[damo666]

What worries me is that you are only looking for scumtells, but you don't seem to care about towntells at all.

As you are talking about this, what are the towntells you have on Fox, Jamiet and Bozo?

bozo obsessing and putting in a lot of effort on a case I think is more of a towntell than a scumtell for him. For example, last game he had a pretty solid case on Bunny, but he didn't care enough to pursue it with much zest.

Jamie oozes towniness, and I find it strange that you don't see it. I might be blind to something, but I can't see the slightest bit of imposture there. The "case" you have on him, changing his vote to Bunny in preparation for a mislynch of bo_sox, can easily be turned against you: you seemed to know bo_sox was a mislynch that Jamie would be preparing for, so you were preparing a mislynch of Jamie for after bo flipped. I'm not making that case because it is just as weak. Is there anything against Jamie besides that vote change?

Fox I'll grant you I don't have huge confidence in. He feels towny at times, but I put him there more because of POE and the fact that others were giving me more bad vibes. I hated the scum claim, it looked forced, unnecessary, out of place. But it can just as easily be town awkwardness as scum.

No, I don't have anything else on Jamie.

[xorxes]

The reason I'm very skeptical of the claim is that brainbomb was under a lot of suspicion, which means he could be sacrificing himself to out the real tracker, and if he was the real tracker with a solid on worcej he would have waited to claim so he could get some info from worcej before he knew he was outed.

[bozotheclown]

Here is my list from top scum read to top town read:

worcej: too confident bo_sox was town, bad reasons for his votes on me

Foxcastle: I do not like his scum claim, refused to answer my questions D2

Jamie: read change at EOD to get BunnyGo lynched over bo_sox, could have been bussing Foxcastle

xorxes: I do not agree with his characterization of D1 EOD, I would not expect him to want BunnyGo to risk a shot

brainbomb: fake PR claim when at risk of getting lynched, could have been bussing Foxcastle

SK24: too little information to read, but being overly cautious could point to scum

rdrivera: looks OK, but could be lurking as scum

damo: reaction to bo_sox seems town

emc: his comments seem to be from a town perspective


Some scum teams that seem possible to me:

worcej/Foxcastle/Jamie
worcej/xorxes/brainbomb
worcej/xorxes/SK24
worcej/Jamie/brainbomb
xorxes/Jamie/brainbomb
Foxcastle/Jamie/brainbomb

That's a pretty horrible reads list. brain's fakeclaim is the only thing scummy you see in him? It doesn't bother you that he has no interest in the game? It doesn't bother you that I have posted more than him this game? The only way that can happen is if I am town and he is scum. Any other combination results in him posting more than me every time.

I can unsderstand if you're OMGUSsing on worcej, but it seems an odd pick for top suspect. I have to reread him.

The reasoning for Jamie is pretty bad. If he is scum, he is doing a very good job of looking towny, and I'm not saying this to buddy him.

SK is not being overly cautious at all. She is borderly trolling. I have no idea if she is scum or not, she has made herself unreadable, which is anti-town but impossible to say if scum or not.

I'm impressed by how much of a pass you give rivera.

Have you ever outposted brainbomb when he was scum and you were town?

[rdrivera2005]

do we believe this?

if bb is not tracker should the tracker cc?

I think it's reasonable to lynch Worcej and if Worcej flips town, to lynch Brainbomb. If we mislynch today, tomorrow is LyLo.

That's assuming Brainbomb doesn't change his mind.

That would be the obvious course of action. But let's think about it, I'm very dubious that the claim is true.

Let's wait on Worcej, but agree with you and Fox.

@Brain - If this is fake and you are town you are throwing the game, you know it, don't you?

[brainbomb]

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[Jamiet99uk]

I know some of you won't like or appreciate this but it's time for one of my theory posts:

In the following I have assumed rdr is town and eliminated some scum pairings that I deem as unlikely.

What is the basis for that assumption?

[Foxcastle]

The reason I'm very skeptical of the claim is that brainbomb was under a lot of suspicion, which means he could be sacrificing himself to out the real tracker, and if he was the real tracker with a solid on worcej he would have waited to claim so he could get some info from worcej before he knew he was outed.

I didn't see a lot of impetus to lynch him, though. Why make a claim that shifts the game from him being a possible lynch to him being a definite lynch or a definite NK?

Do you think it matters that he's done this when we still have one mislynch left? If he'd done it tomorrow, it would be a much bigger conundrum.

[bozotheclown]

Here is my list from top scum read to top town read:

worcej: too confident bo_sox was town, bad reasons for his votes on me

Foxcastle: I do not like his scum claim, refused to answer my questions D2

Jamie: read change at EOD to get BunnyGo lynched over bo_sox, could have been bussing Foxcastle

xorxes: I do not agree with his characterization of D1 EOD, I would not expect him to want BunnyGo to risk a shot

brainbomb: fake PR claim when at risk of getting lynched, could have been bussing Foxcastle

SK24: too little information to read, but being overly cautious could point to scum

rdrivera: looks OK, but could be lurking as scum

damo: reaction to bo_sox seems town

emc: his comments seem to be from a town perspective


Some scum teams that seem possible to me:

worcej/Foxcastle/Jamie
worcej/xorxes/brainbomb
worcej/xorxes/SK24
worcej/Jamie/brainbomb
xorxes/Jamie/brainbomb
Foxcastle/Jamie/brainbomb

Bozo, I'm slightly exasperated here. I answered all of your questions earlier this phase, as honestly and in as much detail as my memory of D1 would enable me to do. Which, as you must have noticed, was actually quite a lot of detail. It seemed my answers had satisfied you, just a few pages ago. Yet your read on me does not appear to have changed one bit. If you think my answers are unconvincing or inconsistent, or if there is anything I did not address, then please let me know. Otherwise I fear your continued scumread on me must contain more than a little confirmation bias, and I am beginning to understand how Bo_Sox felt while you wrongly tunnelled him to death.

Scum can cooperatively answer questions as well. I do not know if I buy your read change of bo_sox 10 minutes before EOD.

[xorxes]

Jamie oozes towniness, and I find it strange that you don't see it. I might be blind to something, but I can't see the slightest bit of imposture there. The "case" you have on him, changing his vote to Bunny in preparation for a mislynch of bo_sox, can easily be turned against you: you seemed to know bo_sox was a mislynch that Jamie would be preparing for, so you were preparing a mislynch of Jamie for after bo flipped. I'm not making that case because it is just as weak. Is there anything against Jamie besides that vote change?

No, I don't have anything else on Jamie.

What do you think about my case that an equally strong (or equally weak) case can be made on rivera ("preparing a mislynch") if Jamie is town?

[Jamiet99uk]

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7 minutes ago you were claiming Tracker with a scan on Worcej.

Now what is going on?

[xorxes]

That's a pretty horrible reads list. brain's fakeclaim is the only thing scummy you see in him? It doesn't bother you that he has no interest in the game? It doesn't bother you that I have posted more than him this game? The only way that can happen is if I am town and he is scum. Any other combination results in him posting more than me every time.

Have you ever outposted brainbomb when he was scum and you were town?

I would say no, but I'm sure you are about to prove me wrong and make me look like an idiot.

[bozotheclown]

Going to bed, in case I don’t live - look at rdr and bozo. I have been preaching this from the moon and back, maybe someone might listen.

Damo seems off as well. I didn’t like the comment that bo was pushing for a mislynch. I feel like I am seeing more words in his posts than I am used to.

Not sure on Brain - I think he falls into frustrated town but if he is scum, we really all suck for giving him a pass this long after his weird claims.

Jamie / xorxes / Fox are my towncore atm. Emc and sarah need to do more, cannot really place them well and their contributions are lackluster.

If you are town, one of us is significantly misreading the game.

I am going comment on this because Worcej already has (I don't like answering on other people's behalf, as previously explained).

Bozo, let's just remember that you scumread BunnyGo for most of Day 1, and he flipped town. You scumread Kgray, who flipped town. You scumread Bo_Sox really, really hard, and he flipped town. You are now scumreading me and I know what my alignment is.

If you are town, so far you have been misreading the game pretty badly, wouldn't you say?

I no longer scum read BunnyGo by D1 EOD, and kgray was my top town read by N1. I do not know why you are bringing them up to convince me you are town.

[worcej]

I estimate the odds against this being correct is 164-1.

Actually it's a calculation based on an assumption rather than an estimate.

If I add another assumption it's 119-1.

Another refuses it to 35-1.

Any yet another as low as 6-1.

Bunny, since your a mathematician - can you start pointing out if damo is correct or full of shit when he does this?

@worcej, a bit of a random question here, but I was reading your iso and this occured to me:

In the animal game, you were exceedingly confident in you probability calculations, when we were arguing whether to lynch Chaqa the cow or not. I remember because I thought you were completely wrong that time. What changed from then that you were here willing to delegate that task to Bunny instead of doing it yourself?

I am a chemical engineer versus someone actually being a mathematician - they are the experts while I would be the experienced person.

I was also pushing strongly with Math at the time to try to convince people and hope they see it was the best solution available at the time.

[bozotheclown]

That's a pretty horrible reads list. brain's fakeclaim is the only thing scummy you see in him? It doesn't bother you that he has no interest in the game? It doesn't bother you that I have posted more than him this game? The only way that can happen is if I am town and he is scum. Any other combination results in him posting more than me every time.

Have you ever outposted brainbomb when he was scum and you were town?

I would say no, but I'm sure you are about to prove me wrong and make me look like an idiot.

You said that was the only combination where you would output him, so I wondered if you had an empirical evidence to back that up.

[worcej]

Fine. I confress. Bo and Kgray and I are scum together. Game over.

GG KTHX NORM

What does NORM stand for?

No Remake - it was a trolly thing people used to do back in the starcraft/W3 multiplayer days.

Yes - I am both a dork and old

[worcej]

e.m.c^42 has died! He was the Doctor!

You may post.

For FUCKS Sake. Now I am concerned. What the fuck did anyone see in EMC?

[xorxes]

The reason I'm very skeptical of the claim is that brainbomb was under a lot of suspicion, which means he could be sacrificing himself to out the real tracker, and if he was the real tracker with a solid on worcej he would have waited to claim so he could get some info from worcej before he knew he was outed.

I didn't see a lot of impetus to lynch him, though. Why make a claim that shifts the game from him being a possible lynch to him being a definite lynch or a definite NK?

Do you think it matters that he's done this when we still have one mislynch left? If he'd done it tomorrow, it would be a much bigger conundrum.

Maybe he felt threatened that I had him as top scumread and he thought I would manage to get him lynched, so he might as well get something out of it.

[worcej]

Wow. R.I.P. , Dr. E.M.C.

I guess that actually gives a decent explanation, this time, for him being so low-impact and under-the-radar. I assume he was actually trying to lie a little low. Damn.

Who usually looks at laying low and thinks PR?

[worcej]

##Vote worcej
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Im the tracker I saw worej perform the kill

Okay now I know you're full of shit.

##vote Brain

[xorxes]

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7 minutes ago you were claiming Tracker with a scan on Worcej.

Now what is going on?

Maybe he misread his PM. I have been confused with worcej before because of our names having some letters in common.