M1010 Mini-Mafia

[Jamiet99uk]

I have to go for a bit and will be on mobile for EOD.

One thing I was going to ask Bo about, but am going to give up on since he looks like he's bounced, is that he might not have read his role PM. So his reaction when I claimed he was scum could have been from a place of genuine uncertainty about his role.

What?

Do you mean still hasn't read it now, or just didn't read it for a while D1?

@Bo_Sox: Have you read your Role PM?

[xorxes]

I have to go for a bit and will be on mobile for EOD.

One thing I was going to ask Bo about, but am going to give up on since he looks like he's bounced, is that he might not have read his role PM. So his reaction when I claimed he was scum could have been from a place of genuine uncertainty about his role.

That makes very little sense. If he did not know his role, why would he ever take your claim seriously? We all dismissed it as bullshit, why would he not do that as well, unless he knew it wasn't entirely bullshit?

[xorxes]

Read the interchanges between me and bo and see who is being false and conniving and misquoting and who is consistent and telling the truth.

Why he thinks he can mislynch me is beyond me.

Anyway, read and decide.

Fwiw I think he's JOAT.

His partners are likely to be 2 from emc Fox Jamie worcej and a bussing Sarah*.

* @Sarah please note I have to recognise this possibilty. I actually think you are town and if so please do town a favour and keep voting bo.

You are correct that in that interaction between the two of you he is the one that comes off as more insincere. I can see it as theatrics from both sides, but if only one is faking it, it's him.

[xorxes]

I am open to them, but I think Damo is more likely to be scum.

Can you summarize your Damo opinion into a sentence or two? I definitely feel bo is town and null on Damo.

I look for people who are not looking scummy. I usually don't notice Damo very much when he's town, but he has stood out to me for some reason this game. It's all very vague, unfortunately, but I think points to scum.

How do you read the back and forth between bo and damo, where bo accuses damo of contradicting himself?

[worcej]

WARNING: THIS IS A WALL-POST!

Read the interchanges between me and bo and see who is being false and conniving and misquoting and who is consistent and telling the truth.

Why he thinks he can mislynch me is beyond me.

Anyway, read and decide.

Fwiw I think he's JOAT.

His partners are likely to be 2 from emc Fox Jamie worcej and a bussing Sarah*.

* @Sarah please note I have to recognise this possibilty. I actually think you are town and if so please do town a favour and keep voting bo.

I see these notable interactions bo has with you:

Are you fucking kidding me?

No. I think both Xorxes and rdr are town and think you are more likely town than not. What is so strange about that?

What is so strange about that is all I have to do to go from you scumreading me to you townreading me is find your reads and repost them. That's the antithesis of how you're supposed to play this game.

What is so strange about that is all I have to do to go from you scumreading me to you townreading me is find your reads and repost them. That's the antithesis of how you're supposed to play this game.

Is it? I didn't know there was a way you're 'supposed' to play the game. Are you the kind of person who loses at poker because others don't play the way they are 'supposed to'?

If you want to pick at my verbiage instead of acknowledging my point, I will beat you at your own game. I promise.

Your reads are your own. Other people's reads matching yours should have no bearing on what you think of them. If someone's reads did not match yours, you should take it upon yourself to qualify their statements. Are their reads justifiable? Do their reads indicate that they are trying to protect someone, or contrarily do they tunnel on someone and put more focus on that person that they should? We do not all think like you, and you clearly do not think like all of us, brainbomb included. Whether or not his reads match yours has absolutely no bearing on anyone's alignment, and the fact that you just magically go from scumreading him to townreading him because he posted reads on three people leads me to wonder whether you're just flat out stupid or whether or not you wanted an excuse to get away from voting for brainbomb because I was trying to drive traction back toward him.

If you want to pick at my verbiage instead of acknowledging my point, I will beat you at your own game. I promise.

Your reads are your own. Other people's reads matching yours should have no bearing on what you think of them. If someone's reads did not match yours, you should take it upon yourself to qualify their statements. Are their reads justifiable? Do their reads indicate that they are trying to protect someone, or contrarily do they tunnel on someone and put more focus on that person that they should? We do not all think like you, and you clearly do not think like all of us, brainbomb included. Whether or not his reads match yours has absolutely no bearing on anyone's alignment, and the fact that you just magically go from scumreading him to townreading him because he posted reads on three people leads me to wonder whether you're just flat out stupid or whether or not you wanted an excuse to get away from voting for brainbomb because I was trying to drive traction back toward him.

I didn't go from scumreading bb to townreading him. I simply expressed doubt about my scumread.

Yes you did.

rivera is town
xorx is town
bo is probably town

maybe brain isn't scum...

This is not a null read.

Damo lurked through this entire EOD without doing anything.

This. Despite the fact that damo had previously said bo was probably town, he didn't seem at all interested in doing anything to prevent bo's lynch. He made no effort to make his vote count in any meaningful way whatsoever.

Bo was always gonna move his vote to save himself. I didn't particularly strongly townread or scumread any of the top wagons. I was happy with my vote on brain and I hope to be proved right.

You spent a significant amount of time trying to justify to me that you had a null read on brainbomb instead of a townread as I interpreted you saying. Now you are happy with your vote and hope to be proved right. You do see the contradiction here, don't you?

You spent a significant amount of time trying to justify to me that you had a null read on brainbomb instead of a townread as I interpreted you saying. Now you are happy with your vote and hope to be proved right. You do see the contradiction here, don't you?

Why are you blatantly lying? I was scumreading brain from his 'survey' and never moved my vote from him. In ONE post I expressed some doubt over my read. His subsequent posts have reinforced my scumread of him.

I did not spend a significant time trying to justify a null read. I never even used the word 'null'.

I am tired of your badgering me with falsehoods. I gave you the benefit of the doubt regarding your alignment. I am now doubting my judgement in this respect and suspect you are scum trying to set me up for a lynch.

If Bunny doesn't kill brain I hope he kills you.

If we both survive the night I will be voting for you.

You said this, in response to three insignificant reads:

rivera is town
xorx is town
bo is probably town

maybe brain isn't scum...

When you say "maybe brain isn't scum..." you clearly imply that you thought he was, and now you don't. No lies there.

When I called you out on this, you told me this:

I didn't go from scumreading bb to townreading him. I simply expressed doubt about my scumread.

Therefore, you scumread him. Thank you for admitting that.

So, you expressed doubt about your scumread, but you said "maybe brain isn't scum." Therefore, brain maybe is town. At best, that's a null read. At worst, it's a town read. We can go either way; I don't care because there is still no lie.

All of this stems from the fact that you changed your mind on brain because he read three people the same way as you read those three people, and now you are voting for me because you are responding emotionally to being called out for being a dumbass as opposed to taking it as in-game constructive criticism and learning how to hunt more effectively.

You're going to look awful for this when I flip town, and at this stage I have no doubt I will at some point flip.

What I am missing is where is he trying to mislynch you? I see him commenting on the things you are doing, not actually making a case out of them and saying you are scum. TBH, his vote is probably out of self-preservation than actual scumvibing you, but your response is kinda shit.

##vote Damo - if no one will join me on bozo, I'll settle for a damo flip instead of the person I feel confident is town.

[Foxcastle]

I have to go for a bit and will be on mobile for EOD.

One thing I was going to ask Bo about, but am going to give up on since he looks like he's bounced, is that he might not have read his role PM. So his reaction when I claimed he was scum could have been from a place of genuine uncertainty about his role.

What?

Do you mean still hasn't read it now, or just didn't read it for a while D1?

@Bo_Sox: Have you read your Role PM?

I meant he wouldn’t have read it at that time. I presume he’d had read it before N1. That’s what he implied in that linked thread.

[Foxcastle]

I have to go for a bit and will be on mobile for EOD.

One thing I was going to ask Bo about, but am going to give up on since he looks like he's bounced, is that he might not have read his role PM. So his reaction when I claimed he was scum could have been from a place of genuine uncertainty about his role.

That makes very little sense. If he did not know his role, why would he ever take your claim seriously? We all dismissed it as bullshit, why would he not do that as well, unless he knew it wasn't entirely bullshit?

That’s reasonable. He could have been surprised though. But I wanted to put this out as a thing to consider since Bo has said it’s a thing he does.

[Foxcastle]

Can you summarize your Damo opinion into a sentence or two? I definitely feel bo is town and null on Damo.

I look for people who are not looking scummy. I usually don't notice Damo very much when he's town, but he has stood out to me for some reason this game. It's all very vague, unfortunately, but I think points to scum.

How do you read the back and forth between bo and damo, where bo accuses damo of contradicting himself?

I’m on mobile. I won’t be able to look until after EOD unless you want to ckmpile it for me.

[Jamiet99uk]

Has everyone voted?

Everyone, yes? Good, in that case we -

Oh I'm sorry what's that?

There's one person who hasn't cast a vote? Just one straggler, huh?

Who could it be? Who go almost the whole phase without casting a vote? Who?

[worcej]

FWIW - emc has yet to vote.

Who isn't shocked by this? This guy.

[worcej]

Has everyone voted?

Everyone, yes? Good, in that case we -

Oh I'm sorry what's that?

There's one person who hasn't cast a vote? Just one straggler, huh?

Who could it be? Who go almost the whole phase without casting a vote? Who?

[bo_sox48]

I see the bot, so I'll ##VOTE damo.

Good luck yall.

This is a very resigned, shoulder-shrugging post compared to your vociferous defences yesterday.

Run out of steam?

Hey Jamie, kindly go back to hell and stay there this time.

This site is experiencing traffic over 4x the norm, and in some countries over 10x the norm. The mod email is backlogged to hell with questions from new players that need to be answered in a prompt manner, and those questions are interspersed with a rush of cheating investigations because, as you might expect, instances of cheating go up with the rising traffic. I would rather spend my time helping the mod team handle that than sit here for two or three hours arguing endlessly about semantics before realizing that I'm arguing with someone who has no intention of listening to me or hearing me out anyway, and in the event that I manage to survive the day being graced with the opportunity to get piled on again tomorrow by the exact same people with the exact same closedminded, ineffective style of play. It's literally the exact same wagon. So yeah, eventually you do run out of steam, Jamie.

People wonder why so many good players quit playing mafia. You get nightkilled early as town if you're quiet, policy lynched mid-to-late as mafia if you're quiet, and get lynched early regardless of your alignment if you have the audacity to be active. Bunny was the most active player in the game by far and he was the only counterwagon we could actually drive on D1. It's so fucking predictable. It happens every single game, or in the rare event that town actually decides to do something else they just lynch lurkers and pat themselves on the back for being so skillful. Moreover, if you do anything that you've done in the past as mafia, it gets used as meta against you even when you've also done the same thing countless times as town but nobody bothers to review those games to find that out because it doesn't fit the agenda they're pushing. And apparently this is so believable that the people who aren't confident enough in themselves to actually seek out their own conclusions buy it, hook line and sinker.

I'm town. I don't know why it's not abundantly clear but I promise you that at least one person voting me both today and yesterday knows it, and that a number of you not voting me also believe it. But since I'm going to get piled on by the same people no matter what I say or do, I'd rather they just get their wish today so that you can go back and figure out which one of them hatched the idea from the beginning to get someone they'd otherwise have to fearkill lynched.

[Jamiet99uk]

I look for people who are not looking scummy. I usually don't notice Damo very much when he's town, but he has stood out to me for some reason this game. It's all very vague, unfortunately, but I think points to scum.

How do you read the back and forth between bo and damo, where bo accuses damo of contradicting himself?

I’m on mobile. I won’t be able to look until after EOD unless you want to ckmpile it for me.

Worcej basically just did.

[SarahK24]

Hahaha
I guess this is a trend for him

[Jamiet99uk]

I think Bo_Sox is in a bad mood.

[Jamiet99uk]

FWIW - emc has yet to vote.

Who isn't shocked by this? This guy.

Yes that's what I was getting at.

[bo_sox48]

I think Bo_Sox is in a bad mood.

In the time I spent writing that, the mod email has 10 new unread emails.

[Jamiet99uk]

I almost want to policy lynch EMC here but I don't think we can afford it.

[xorxes]

I think Bo_Sox is in a bad mood.

In the time I spent writing that, the mod email has 10 new unread emails.

It will be unfortunate if we lose the game because your mod activities didn't leave you enough time to show your towniness, but to me it sounds more like an excuse at this point.

If you are town, you could at least leave some final thoughts since when you are town you usually have good insights.

[bo_sox48]

I think Bo_Sox is in a bad mood.

In the time I spent writing that, the mod email has 10 new unread emails.

It will be unfortunate if we lose the game because your mod activities didn't leave you enough time to show your towniness, but to me it sounds more like an excuse at this point.

If you are town, you could at least leave some final thoughts since when you are town you usually have good insights.

The fact that you personally haven't been receptive to my gameplay does not mean that I haven't demonstrated wholeheartedly that I am town.