M1010 Mini-Mafia

[Chaqa]

As the sun rises, someone is found to be missing. The town finds a body...

Kgray has died! They were the Role Cop!

Day has started. You may post.

[brainbomb]

##Vote xorxes

[e.m.c^42]

Rip kgr

Scum have been on a fucking roll these few games hah

[worcej]

##Vote xorxes

Because?

[bo_sox48]

He went from trying to convince me he was town, to trying to get me lynched, to trying to get anyone else lynched. He insisted he was not trying to deflect suspicion, but it appeared he was trying to deflect suspicion onto me by asking pointless questions and assigning scum motivations to the answers. Here are some examples, trimmed from longer exchanges:

a) I did try and convince you that I'm town, and while doing so I began to feel like your purpose on day 1 was to get me lynched and that that was a useless task.

b) I did try to get you lynched, because you are not keeping an open mind.

c) I tried to raise counterwagons to myself on lesser scumreads as yours was not going anywhere.

The second thing I want to say is that if town loses without ever lynching bo_sox and/or Foxcastle for their "I quit"/"I am scum" reactions, town is going to look very foolish if either one is scum.

You’re not wrong. But the fear of looking silly is not a rationale for lynching someone. Find better reasons.

This is a bit of a contradiction in back to back posts:

This, in my opinion, supports the possibility of a bo_sox/Foxcastle scum team. ...

In summary, I think bo_sox is scum. If I am correct, and Foxcastle is town, I would expect bo_sox to be happy to see Foxcastle get lynched, since it would disprove one of the arguments against bo_sox, so if bo_sox is scum, I think Foxcastle is scum also. If I am wrong about bo_sox, Foxcastle could still be scum.

Are Fox and I teammates or am I scum and Fox is town?

If bo_sox and Foxcastle are scum, possibilities for the third scum are:

SK24: for obvious reasons

kgray: because Foxcastle says so

Jamie: he helped save bo_sox D1

xorxes: he assisted saving bo_sox D1 by suggesting the BunnyGo wagon and breaking the tie

damo: Foxcastle voted for him, and Foxcastle likes to bus also

I asked you for this 400 times on day 1 and you never provided it, yet three of the five that you list here had nothing to do with the result of day 1. Why could you not tell me this during the day on day 1?

Here is my list from top scum read to top town read:

bo_sox: fake quitting is enough to be my top scum read, regardless of the other things I have pointed out

Foxcastle: scum claim is enough to be my second scum read, regardless of his connection to bo_sox

Jamie: questionable D1 EOD, but read tied to bo_sox

worcej: questionable reasons for scum reading me, questionable scum reads of others

SK24: seems overly cautious, may be scum, may be town MVP

damo: nothing too suspicious, but did not get involved at EOD

xorxes: seems to agree with me about a number of things, could be pocketing me, but not too worried yet

rdrivera: not a lot of participation, but I generally agree with what he has said

brainbomb: fake claim seems more likely to be town motivated, but you never know

emc: I like his analysis so far

kgray: if she is pocketing me, she is doing a good job

These are remarkably bad reads.

[damo666]

So presumably Bunny held his shot (or killed kgray).

[bo_sox48]

If BunnyGo does not fire, it will be 8-3 tomorrow, and we will have 2 mislynches, assuming no doc saves. If BunnyGo fires and hits town, it will be 7-3 tomorrow, and we will have 1 mislynch, assuming no doc saves. If BunnyGo fires and hits scum, it will be 8-2 tomorrow, and we will have 2 mislynch, assuming no doc saves. So, the correct play is for BunnyGo not to shoot, because it could cost us a mislynch, with a low chance of gaining us a mislynch. The only way it would gain us a mislynch is if he hits scum and we get a doc save.

Since BunnyGo ended the day voting for me, I am concerned he could shoot me, which would likely result in town only having 1 mislynch available.

I think we can safely assume that BunnyGo will shoot brainbomb, his fake counterclaim.

[damo666]

As promised in #1426

##vote bo

[bo_sox48]

Ok listen. Reading Bo_Sox's iso from the second half of the day, his defences of himself strike me as very earnest and I'm not sure scum Bo would defend himself in this way.

I still think his tempter tantrum earlier was distasteful as was bringing the GM into it but I often get caught into thinking shitty play = scum play, and that's gotten me involved in too many mislynches over time.

##UNVOTE

I think you have seen bo_sox play as scum enough to know he would defend himself in this way. If nothing else, you should remember M47, when bo_sox defended himself and convinced you to vote with the entire scum team to mislynch me at lylo.

Gosh. I've just been and re-read Bo's ISO from that game (thanks, Peter). I mean, you do kinda have a point there Bozo. :-/

I'm glad I'm squashing so many bad meta arguments this game that you all think are real because of a small, insignificant sample size. If nothing else, that's a good takeaway.

[bozotheclown]

kgray had a good point about SK24 invalid vote occurring not long after this exchange between Foxcastle and worcej:

Noted - we'll sort out said protest at a later date.

What do you think there is to sort out?

I am trying not to get into a worthless argument with you that will lead me to scum read you almost immediately based on your responses. Everything else you've done so far is townie and I wanna keep you there instead of WIFOM'ing away.

That makes SK24's claim that she intended to vote for Foxcastle 2 hours earlier than she did more believable.

If the scum team is bo_sox/Foxcastle/worcej, SK24 correctly identified 2 scum and implicated the third by the timing of her vote.

[bo_sox48]

If BunnyGo does not fire, it will be 8-3 tomorrow, and we will have 2 mislynches, assuming no doc saves. If BunnyGo fires and hits town, it will be 7-3 tomorrow, and we will have 1 mislynch, assuming no doc saves. If BunnyGo fires and hits scum, it will be 8-2 tomorrow, and we will have 2 mislynch, assuming no doc saves. So, the correct play is for BunnyGo not to shoot, because it could cost us a mislynch, with a low chance of gaining us a mislynch. The only way it would gain us a mislynch is if he hits scum and we get a doc save.

Since BunnyGo ended the day voting for me, I am concerned he could shoot me, which would likely result in town only having 1 mislynch available.

You've posted War and Peace on Bo_Sox, seeming very confident he's scum. Yet rather than advocating for Bunny to shoot Bo, your avowed scumread, you'd rather he simply drifts away to the God QT without firing?

I mean, your numbers aren't wrong, but this suggests you're less confident of your Bo_Sox read than you've been suggesting, Bozo.

This is a fine example of how bozo has distanced himself from really pushing on me, despite being insistent since the drop of the hat that I am scum.

[damo666]

If BunnyGo does not fire, it will be 8-3 tomorrow, and we will have 2 mislynches, assuming no doc saves. If BunnyGo fires and hits town, it will be 7-3 tomorrow, and we will have 1 mislynch, assuming no doc saves. If BunnyGo fires and hits scum, it will be 8-2 tomorrow, and we will have 2 mislynch, assuming no doc saves. So, the correct play is for BunnyGo not to shoot, because it could cost us a mislynch, with a low chance of gaining us a mislynch. The only way it would gain us a mislynch is if he hits scum and we get a doc save.

Since BunnyGo ended the day voting for me, I am concerned he could shoot me, which would likely result in town only having 1 mislynch available.

I think we can safely assume that BunnyGo will shoot brainbomb, his fake counterclaim.

Surely Bunny has already either taken his shot and the target was either saved or was kgray or Bunny withheld his shot.

[Jamiet99uk]

If BunnyGo does not fire, it will be 8-3 tomorrow, and we will have 2 mislynches, assuming no doc saves. If BunnyGo fires and hits town, it will be 7-3 tomorrow, and we will have 1 mislynch, assuming no doc saves. If BunnyGo fires and hits scum, it will be 8-2 tomorrow, and we will have 2 mislynch, assuming no doc saves. So, the correct play is for BunnyGo not to shoot, because it could cost us a mislynch, with a low chance of gaining us a mislynch. The only way it would gain us a mislynch is if he hits scum and we get a doc save.

Since BunnyGo ended the day voting for me, I am concerned he could shoot me, which would likely result in town only having 1 mislynch available.

I think we can safely assume that BunnyGo will shoot brainbomb, his fake counterclaim.

What?

Night has ended.

We know who died.

BunnyGo either targeted Kgray or didn't kill anyone.

[Jamiet99uk]

Is Bo_Sox completely oblivious to what phase it currently is?

[Jamiet99uk]

Bo_Sox's weird post distracted me so much I did not say what I was about to, which was:

RIP, Kgray. You're turning out to be a good addition to our webDip Mafia community. Sad we lost the Cop so early :-/

[Foxcastle]

RIP Kgary.

Maybe town PRs need to lay low a little more on Day 1 to break this streak...

[bo_sox48]

Bo was always gonna move his vote to save himself. I didn't particularly strongly townread or scumread any of the top wagons. I was happy with my vote on brain and I hope to be proved right.

You spent a significant amount of time trying to justify to me that you had a null read on brainbomb instead of a townread as I interpreted you saying. Now you are happy with your vote and hope to be proved right. You do see the contradiction here, don't you?

Why are you blatantly lying? I was scumreading brain from his 'survey' and never moved my vote from him. In ONE post I expressed some doubt over my read. His subsequent posts have reinforced my scumread of him.

I did not spend a significant time trying to justify a null read. I never even used the word 'null'.

I am tired of your badgering me with falsehoods. I gave you the benefit of the doubt regarding your alignment. I am now doubting my judgement in this respect and suspect you are scum trying to set me up for a lynch.

If Bunny doesn't kill brain I hope he kills you.

If we both survive the night I will be voting for you.

You said this, in response to three insignificant reads:

rivera is town
xorx is town
bo is probably town

maybe brain isn't scum...

When you say "maybe brain isn't scum..." you clearly imply that you thought he was, and now you don't. No lies there.

When I called you out on this, you told me this:

I didn't go from scumreading bb to townreading him. I simply expressed doubt about my scumread.

Therefore, you scumread him. Thank you for admitting that.

So, you expressed doubt about your scumread, but you said "maybe brain isn't scum." Therefore, brain maybe is town. At best, that's a null read. At worst, it's a town read. We can go either way; I don't care because there is still no lie.

All of this stems from the fact that you changed your mind on brain because he read three people the same way as you read those three people, and now you are voting for me because you are responding emotionally to being called out for being a dumbass as opposed to taking it as in-game constructive criticism and learning how to hunt more effectively.

You're going to look awful for this when I flip town, and at this stage I have no doubt I will at some point flip.

[bo_sox48]

Why do you think I might be scum, based on EoD?

Do you think I saved my scumbuddy Bo?

Anything else?

I don't like your EOD, your sudden change of mind telling Bo reaction is towny and telling a blatant lie that Bo won't act that way as scum, when you played a great amount of games with him and know he already did it. Who has motivation to lie?

And you could be scum and bo town. Getting Bunny lynched and set a second myslynch on Bo is the best play scum could do at EOD if both wagons were town.

Both wagons were town.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hello, Bo_Sox.

Are you reading the last couple of pages?

Do you know if it is Night or Day?

Who do you think BunnyGo is going to kill?

[e.m.c^42]

I am confused