M1010 Mini-Mafia

[Jamiet99uk]

Ok listen. Reading Bo_Sox's iso from the second half of the day, his defences of himself strike me as very earnest and I'm not sure scum Bo would defend himself in this way.

I still think his tempter tantrum earlier was distasteful as was bringing the GM into it but I often get caught into thinking shitty play = scum play, and that's gotten me involved in too many mislynches over time.

##UNVOTE

I think you have seen bo_sox play as scum enough to know he would defend himself in this way. If nothing else, you should remember M47, when bo_sox defended himself and convinced you to vote with the entire scum team to mislynch me at lylo.

Gosh. I've just been and re-read Bo's ISO from that game (thanks, Peter). I mean, you do kinda have a point there Bozo. :-/

[Jamiet99uk]

If BunnyGo does not fire, it will be 8-3 tomorrow, and we will have 2 mislynches, assuming no doc saves. If BunnyGo fires and hits town, it will be 7-3 tomorrow, and we will have 1 mislynch, assuming no doc saves. If BunnyGo fires and hits scum, it will be 8-2 tomorrow, and we will have 2 mislynch, assuming no doc saves. So, the correct play is for BunnyGo not to shoot, because it could cost us a mislynch, with a low chance of gaining us a mislynch. The only way it would gain us a mislynch is if he hits scum and we get a doc save.

Since BunnyGo ended the day voting for me, I am concerned he could shoot me, which would likely result in town only having 1 mislynch available.

You've posted War and Peace on Bo_Sox, seeming very confident he's scum. Yet rather than advocating for Bunny to shoot Bo, your avowed scumread, you'd rather he simply drifts away to the God QT without firing?

I mean, your numbers aren't wrong, but this suggests you're less confident of your Bo_Sox read than you've been suggesting, Bozo.

[rdrivera2005]

I have 10 pages to read. Why do you choose to lynch Bunny over Bo?

Bo is great at dodging the kill on D1. Last game I was vig I had the order to shoot him wrote and didn't send (and he was scum and I shoot a townie).

Jamiet and Xorxes look pretty bad only based on the bot. Will read now.

So what do you think after reading EOD?

I think Jamiet might be scum. I still think Bo could be scum. Xorxes is null as he was really scumreading Bunny before and avoided a tie as Bo could vote Bunny.
I still suspect Brain a bit and also Fox.

The most weird thing this game is that I don't have any solid townread.

[Jamiet99uk]

I have 10 pages to read. Why do you choose to lynch Bunny over Bo?

Bo is great at dodging the kill on D1. Last game I was vig I had the order to shoot him wrote and didn't send (and he was scum and I shoot a townie).

Jamiet and Xorxes look pretty bad only based on the bot. Will read now.

So what do you think after reading EOD?

I think Jamiet might be scum. I still think Bo could be scum. Xorxes is null as he was really scumreading Bunny before and avoided a tie as Bo could vote Bunny.
I still suspect Brain a bit and also Fox.

The most weird thing this game is that I don't have any solid townread.

Why do you think I might be scum, based on EoD?

Do you think I saved my scumbuddy Bo?

Anything else?

[rdrivera2005]

So what do you think after reading EOD?

I think Jamiet might be scum. I still think Bo could be scum. Xorxes is null as he was really scumreading Bunny before and avoided a tie as Bo could vote Bunny.
I still suspect Brain a bit and also Fox.

The most weird thing this game is that I don't have any solid townread.

Why do you think I might be scum, based on EoD?

Do you think I saved my scumbuddy Bo?

Anything else?

I don't like your EOD, your sudden change of mind telling Bo reaction is towny and telling a blatant lie that Bo won't act that way as scum, when you played a great amount of games with him and know he already did it. Who has motivation to lie?

[damo666]

This. Despite the fact that damo had previously said bo was probably town, he didn't seem at all interested in doing anything to prevent bo's lynch. He made no effort to make his vote count in any meaningful way whatsoever.

Bo was always gonna move his vote to save himself. I didn't particularly strongly townread or scumread any of the top wagons. I was happy with my vote on brain and I hope to be proved right.

You spent a significant amount of time trying to justify to me that you had a null read on brainbomb instead of a townread as I interpreted you saying. Now you are happy with your vote and hope to be proved right. You do see the contradiction here, don't you?

Why are you blatantly lying? I was scumreading brain from his 'survey' and never moved my vote from him. In ONE post I expressed some doubt over my read. His subsequent posts have reinforced my scumread of him.

I did not spend a significant time trying to justify a null read. I never even used the word 'null'.

I am tired of your badgering me with falsehoods. I gave you the benefit of the doubt regarding your alignment. I am now doubting my judgement in this respect and suspect you are scum trying to set me up for a lynch.

If Bunny doesn't kill brain I hope he kills you.

If we both survive the night I will be voting for you.

[rdrivera2005]

I think Jamiet might be scum. I still think Bo could be scum. Xorxes is null as he was really scumreading Bunny before and avoided a tie as Bo could vote Bunny.
I still suspect Brain a bit and also Fox.

The most weird thing this game is that I don't have any solid townread.

Why do you think I might be scum, based on EoD?

Do you think I saved my scumbuddy Bo?

Anything else?

I don't like your EOD, your sudden change of mind telling Bo reaction is towny and telling a blatant lie that Bo won't act that way as scum, when you played a great amount of games with him and know he already did it. Who has motivation to lie?

And you could be scum and bo town. Getting Bunny lynched and set a second myslynch on Bo is the best play scum could do at EOD if both wagons were town.

[Jamiet99uk]

I don't like your EOD, your sudden change of mind telling Bo reaction is towny and telling a blatant lie that Bo won't act that way as scum, when you played a great amount of games with him and know he already did it. Who has motivation to lie?

It wasn't a lie. I felt his reaction was towny. I was sincere in saying that.

[xorxes]

My appraisal:

bozotheclown: I'd say he has been the most towny. The only one doing a significant push. What worcej would call cautious. I'm sure he is capable of doing this as scum, but good enough for now.
Jamiet99uk: Probably town. I noticed nothing unusual from him.
kgray: Probably town. Not fazed by whatever pressure I put on her. Bunny flipping town also makes me townread her more.
worcej: His defense of Sarah seems like misguided paternal instincts. Maybe in his mind he equates noob with baby.
e.m.c^42: I liked many of his observations, too bad he had nothing to say at lynch time.
damo666: Lackluster EOD, but other than that no major bells.
rdrivera2005: sensible and lurky. Par for the course.
Foxcastle: I can easily see him as scum if bo is scum. The scum claim looked a bit desperate.
SarahK24; Could be bo's partner if Fox isn't. I doubt it's both of them, but I doubt it's neither of them.
brainbomb: Probably scum. Not "in the game". Reminds me of the game he subbed in as scum.
bo_sox48: Most scummy. Over-the-top reaction to being pushed by a one-man crowd. Much more concerned about how he looks than about what anyone else is doing.

[e.m.c^42]

Also because despite the length of your posts about two thirds aren't really related to this game in particular, kind of like how Bungo was asking a bunch of questions at start of game - pretty much "meta game" filler that appears useful.

To reword this for bo. Putting asides your joke posts, one sentence posts, etc... if you go through all your longer posts, they are actually not really related to this game in particular.

If anyone would like, I can pull them up and point them out, but for the sake of avoiding giant quote copypaste they are not included right here.

A lot of them are talking about points that could be applied in any game - copy/paste, rather generic or general statements about gameplay itself. It is similar to how Bungo acted at the start of the game, which, in his own words

I'm talking about the theory of the game. Nothing at all to do with this one.

Is a statement that could be applied to you as well. The reason that this made it to "wifom point" rather than "scum point" is because in your short posts, you've made several observations that I did not think were scum-motivated ones.

So to narrow down this post into a one liner, there are posts of mine that may be considered jokes or otherwise generalities, but I'm playing a town-motivated game.

Help me understand why making several observations that you do not think are scum-motivated is somehow NAI.

I...no, that's not what I'm saying at all XD

Someone else help weigh in - did you read it the same way bo did or did you read it differently - want to know if it's a problem on my end, or if bo is doing this intentionally.

[xorxes]

To reword this for bo. Putting asides your joke posts, one sentence posts, etc... if you go through all your longer posts, they are actually not really related to this game in particular.

If anyone would like, I can pull them up and point them out, but for the sake of avoiding giant quote copypaste they are not included right here.

A lot of them are talking about points that could be applied in any game - copy/paste, rather generic or general statements about gameplay itself. It is similar to how Bungo acted at the start of the game, which, in his own words



Is a statement that could be applied to you as well. The reason that this made it to "wifom point" rather than "scum point" is because in your short posts, you've made several observations that I did not think were scum-motivated ones.

So to narrow down this post into a one liner, there are posts of mine that may be considered jokes or otherwise generalities, but I'm playing a town-motivated game.

Help me understand why making several observations that you do not think are scum-motivated is somehow NAI.

I...no, that's not what I'm saying at all XD

Someone else help weigh in - did you read it the same way bo did or did you read it differently - want to know if it's a problem on my end, or if bo is doing this intentionally.

The problem is you hedge too much. You say "in your short posts, you've made several observations that I did not think were scum-motivated ones", he grabs that and runs with it, ignoring all the rest.

[rdrivera2005]

To reword this for bo. Putting asides your joke posts, one sentence posts, etc... if you go through all your longer posts, they are actually not really related to this game in particular.

If anyone would like, I can pull them up and point them out, but for the sake of avoiding giant quote copypaste they are not included right here.

A lot of them are talking about points that could be applied in any game - copy/paste, rather generic or general statements about gameplay itself. It is similar to how Bungo acted at the start of the game, which, in his own words



Is a statement that could be applied to you as well. The reason that this made it to "wifom point" rather than "scum point" is because in your short posts, you've made several observations that I did not think were scum-motivated ones.

So to narrow down this post into a one liner, there are posts of mine that may be considered jokes or otherwise generalities, but I'm playing a town-motivated game.

Help me understand why making several observations that you do not think are scum-motivated is somehow NAI.

I...no, that's not what I'm saying at all XD

Someone else help weigh in - did you read it the same way bo did or did you read it differently - want to know if it's a problem on my end, or if bo is doing this intentionally.

I think what you meant is Bo is commenting more on game theory and things outside this game then looking at the actual game. And even if the comments aren't scummy on his own (NAI), playing this way is more scummy them towny? Am I right on my interpretation emc?

[e.m.c^42]

Penis is too clinical, cock is too crude, todger is too dialectal, wiener is too juvenile, etc. But reusing dick would have been dissonant, whereas wang heightens the comedic effect. You see, Jamiet, I am a professional writer and published satirist, and I understand how to construct a funny. 🧐

There's always "quaggy mushroom rod covered in silk"

Are you a professional writer of erotic fiction.... or is it just a hobby?

We can leave that up to your discretion ;p

[e.m.c^42]

I think what you meant is Bo is commenting more on game theory and things outside this game then looking at the actual game. And even if the comments aren't scummy on his own (NAI), playing this way is more scummy them towny? Am I right on my interpretation emc?

Yes! You are right. And then I said that the only reason, at the time, that I did not use this to push him as scum was because there were a few towny posts that countered it just enough.

[xorxes]

@Sarah :D

fwiw even if you are lost and confused, just ramble out what you think. It doesn't matter if it's stupid or incoherent or whatever, but having something other than "idk lol" would help all of us lmao

You'll learn on the fly, all of us did

Okay

Right, but the idea is that then you write a full paragraph telling us your impressions of people, or of someone in particular, because they said this and that which made you think this and that, and led you to believe this and that.

[Foxcastle]

Just a reminder that EON is in 1 hour and 30 minutes.

[xorxes]

I'm more invested in brainbomb, but I'll take what I can get. I don't particularly scumread Bunny and I hate sealing his fate over mine when he could be a more important role than mine, but I know I'm town, so I'll do it within 2 minutes if that's the way we go.

brain has claimed PR and will be dead tonight if he is telling the truth

Why would you say that, since the mafia would have no way of knowing if it is true (they obviously know now)?

Lynching someone who claims PR with no counterclaim is never a good idea. Even if he was fakeclaiming as town, encouraging mafia to kill him for that is also a good thing.

[e.m.c^42]

The problem is you hedge too much. You say "in your short posts, you've made several observations that I did not think were scum-motivated ones", he grabs that and runs with it, ignoring all the rest.

I do not believe I will ever make a "not hedging" posts by those standards lol

What I don't quite understand is how he read "not scum-motivated" as meaning NAI, when it's pretty equivalent to "towny"

[damo666]

@Sarah :D

fwiw even if you are lost and confused, just ramble out what you think. It doesn't matter if it's stupid or incoherent or whatever, but having something other than "idk lol" would help all of us lmao

You'll learn on the fly, all of us did

Okay

Right, but the idea is that then you write a full paragraph telling us your impressions of people, or of someone in particular, because they said this and that which made you think this and that, and led you to believe this and that.

@Sarah see Xorxes readlist above. Something like that. Just a few words by each name is sufficient. Even it's 'meh.'

[Foxcastle]

The only problem with me enjoying Bozo being so wrong is that I think he's town and he's wrong about me not being town. I still think Bo is town too, but I could be wrong about that.

I still feel that Damo is scum. I should actually re-read him, though I doubt there's much there.

I think everyone on the BunnyGo wagon looks townie. However, it would make sense for Jamiet or Xorxes to be scum, and they shifted to keep the Bo question alive for a future mislynch. I think it's possible, if unlikely.

Rdrivera looks scummy to me, but I am usually wrong on that, so Rdrivera is probably town. EMC is townie. SarahK is probably town, unless Bo is scum, in which case she might actually have followed him.

Worcej and Brainbomb are null-ish at the moment. They could be scum.