M1010 Mini-Mafia

[Jamiet99uk]

One possibility I see is that bo_sox and Foxcastle are scum and SK24 is town who drove them both to overreactions because of the coincidental timing of her vote.

Another possibility is that bo_sox, Foxcastle, and SK24 are all town. In this case, BunnyGo is probably scum, taking the opportunity to correctly declare bo_sox and Foxcastle are town. Or, it could be worcej, who has essentially done the same thing, although it is unlikely to be both. The other scum would probably be taking the the opportunity to vote for bo_sox or Foxcastle, such as Jamie, brainbomb, xorxes, and rdrivera.

Or, bo_sox and SK24 could be scum, with or without Foxcastle.

What's your play going to be when I flip town?

Additionally, do you plan on asking me any questions? I've been waiting patiently. That goes for xorxes, Jamie, and rdrivera as well.

Excuse me?

Are you trying to make it look like I just naked voted you without explaining, or didn't ask you any questions?

Xorxes has also asked you questions.

Hmm.

[bozotheclown]

The fact that I'm moderately impressed with your gameplay despite following the wrong path leads me to one of two conclusions: either you're getting better at this game and will probably be critical in solving it, or you're scum and have put a significant amount of effort into getting me lynched. So potentially yes. That said, I ask you that question because regardless of your role, you're going to have to go down that road if you lynch me and your logic does not account for that potential without also flipping Sarah and Fox and them also being town. In the hypothetical event that all three of us are lynched consecutively and are all town, that's three days out of I believe four we can mathematically spare, so town bozo probably doesn't want to go all the way down that road just to prove himself right or wrong. Given all of that, please answer my question carrying the assumption that I am town, because regardless of your role you need to figure out what you're going to do.

I certainly won't be trying to lynch SK24 if you flip town, and probably not Foxcastle, although I find his reaction to my vote suspicious independent of your alignment.

Okay, cool. Then I ask you what I just told xorxes I would ask you. Why were you bandwagoning on Fox instead of counterwagoning on me, since your read on them relies on your bad read on me?

I have answered that question multiple times already, making Foxcastle a 3 vote wagon was more likely to initiate discussion than making you a 1 vote wagon.

[bo_sox48]

I certainly won't be trying to lynch SK24 if you flip town, and probably not Foxcastle, although I find his reaction to my vote suspicious independent of your alignment.

Okay, cool. Then I ask you what I just told xorxes I would ask you. Why were you bandwagoning on Fox instead of counterwagoning on me, since your read on them relies on your bad read on me?

I have answered that question multiple times already, making Foxcastle a 3 vote wagon was more likely to initiate discussion than making you a 1 vote wagon.

And I don't buy it. If you think I'm scum but wouldn't vote for Fox if I weren't scum, why wouldn't you be pushing my lynch?

[bo_sox48]

What's your play going to be when I flip town?

Additionally, do you plan on asking me any questions? I've been waiting patiently. That goes for xorxes, Jamie, and rdrivera as well.

Excuse me?

Are you trying to make it look like I just naked voted you without explaining, or didn't ask you any questions?

Xorxes has also asked you questions.

Hmm.

You explained your vote. I don't remember you asking me any questions, but even if you have, ask me more. You're here, I'm here.

Hmm.

[bozotheclown]

The fact that I'm moderately impressed with your gameplay despite following the wrong path leads me to one of two conclusions: either you're getting better at this game and will probably be critical in solving it, or you're scum and have put a significant amount of effort into getting me lynched. So potentially yes. That said, I ask you that question because regardless of your role, you're going to have to go down that road if you lynch me and your logic does not account for that potential without also flipping Sarah and Fox and them also being town. In the hypothetical event that all three of us are lynched consecutively and are all town, that's three days out of I believe four we can mathematically spare, so town bozo probably doesn't want to go all the way down that road just to prove himself right or wrong. Given all of that, please answer my question carrying the assumption that I am town, because regardless of your role you need to figure out what you're going to do.

I certainly won't be trying to lynch SK24 if you flip town, and probably not Foxcastle, although I find his reaction to my vote suspicious independent of your alignment.

Additionally, who's next when I flip town?

I do not currently know, a lot can happen before D2 EOD.

[bozotheclown]

Okay, cool. Then I ask you what I just told xorxes I would ask you. Why were you bandwagoning on Fox instead of counterwagoning on me, since your read on them relies on your bad read on me?

I have answered that question multiple times already, making Foxcastle a 3 vote wagon was more likely to initiate discussion than making you a 1 vote wagon.

And I don't buy it. If you think I'm scum but wouldn't vote for Fox if I weren't scum, why wouldn't you be pushing my lynch?

That was half way through D1, I was trying to gain information, not push any particular lynch.

[bozotheclown]

And that's the problem. I'm right here. You just referred to "whatever other new information we get" but are not actively seeking new information. Maybe I change your mind in the next couple of hours. Maybe I don't. Maybe I make you far more confident than you currently are - and I suspect that if you're town you aren't that confident, because your case is statistically insignificant crap that leans on my behavior in games long gone and you've already acknowledged that.

This is the issue with how things have gone. You and the three others voting for me have been consistently on my case for some time now, but particularly you. You are not attempting to push my lynch in any way. You said that you went out of your way to avoid voting for me when Fox was the leading wagon to spur discussion, but I'm giving you an opportunity to discuss things and you don't care to do so. There are a number of players who are obviously not so solidly on board with lynching me (because if they were on board, they'd be doing it), and if you don't push my lynch, you're not going to very much effort to get them on board despite both of us being here and me offering you an opportunity to solidify your case. That tells me that you don't really have much of an eye for convincing the rest of the town to lynch scum.

I am not sure you are scum, but I think I have sufficiently expressed why I suspect you might be. If you are scum, I am confident you would be able to fabricate acceptable answers to any questions I ask. My first experience with you as scum was M34 when we were scum together, and from that game I know how much effort you are willing to put in to deflect suspicion as scum.

Also, I think you have misrepresented my reasons for suspecting you. They are:

1. your increased D1 participation
2. SK24 following your vote 3 minutes later
3. your reaction to suspicion because of SK24's vote

Can you please point to where I have deflected suspicion? I have gone out of my way to shift the conversation toward myself.

I can't control what other people do, so Sarah's vote is out of my hands. I already told you that I'm town and I'm asking you to answer my questions carrying that assumption because you are not currently accounting for that possibility in anything you're doing. Stop beating around the bush.

That is easy, here is an example:

"I can't control what other people do, so Sarah's vote is out of my hands. I already told you that I'm town and I'm asking you to answer my questions carrying that assumption because you are not currently accounting for that possibility in anything you're doing. Stop beating around the bush."

[bo_sox48]

I certainly won't be trying to lynch SK24 if you flip town, and probably not Foxcastle, although I find his reaction to my vote suspicious independent of your alignment.

Additionally, who's next when I flip town?

I do not currently know, a lot can happen before D2 EOD.

Your entire course of action relies on me being scum, and you have not considered any other alternatives. You are tunneling. You have intended nothing but to try to lynch me all day today, which explains why you spent what I have no doubt was hours compiling useless statistics about my former gameplay but have no consideration toward my play here. You have gone out of your way to avoid casting that vote until I was a viable wagon as you do not want to be the one who is considered the leader of this train when I am mislynched. But you will be, because I am making you the leader.

[bo_sox48]

I am not sure you are scum, but I think I have sufficiently expressed why I suspect you might be. If you are scum, I am confident you would be able to fabricate acceptable answers to any questions I ask. My first experience with you as scum was M34 when we were scum together, and from that game I know how much effort you are willing to put in to deflect suspicion as scum.

Also, I think you have misrepresented my reasons for suspecting you. They are:

1. your increased D1 participation
2. SK24 following your vote 3 minutes later
3. your reaction to suspicion because of SK24's vote

Can you please point to where I have deflected suspicion? I have gone out of my way to shift the conversation toward myself.

I can't control what other people do, so Sarah's vote is out of my hands. I already told you that I'm town and I'm asking you to answer my questions carrying that assumption because you are not currently accounting for that possibility in anything you're doing. Stop beating around the bush.

That is easy, here is an example:

"I can't control what other people do, so Sarah's vote is out of my hands. I already told you that I'm town and I'm asking you to answer my questions carrying that assumption because you are not currently accounting for that possibility in anything you're doing. Stop beating around the bush."

How is this deflecting suspicion? I would call that pointing out a flaw in your reasoning, because your reasoning is flawed. I'm not trying to push you toward someone else or frame the conversation as if I'm not here. I am being open, transparent, and available to you. You are trying to evade me.

[bo_sox48]

If you are not willing to admit that I have opened room for conversation today about me, you are wearing blinders, and I don't understand that move regardless of your role.

[bozotheclown]

Can you please point to where I have deflected suspicion? I have gone out of my way to shift the conversation toward myself.

I can't control what other people do, so Sarah's vote is out of my hands. I already told you that I'm town and I'm asking you to answer my questions carrying that assumption because you are not currently accounting for that possibility in anything you're doing. Stop beating around the bush.

That is easy, here is an example:

"I can't control what other people do, so Sarah's vote is out of my hands. I already told you that I'm town and I'm asking you to answer my questions carrying that assumption because you are not currently accounting for that possibility in anything you're doing. Stop beating around the bush."

How is this deflecting suspicion? I would call that pointing out a flaw in your reasoning, because your reasoning is flawed. I'm not trying to push you toward someone else or frame the conversation as if I'm not here. I am being open, transparent, and available to you. You are trying to evade me.

You do not have to be pushing me to someone else to be deflecting suspicion. To be clear, I would expect you to try to deflect suspicion as town, so it is NAI, but my point was you are very capable of doing it well as scum.

[bozotheclown]

If you are not willing to admit that I have opened room for conversation today about me, you are wearing blinders, and I don't understand that move regardless of your role.

Assuming this is directed at me, I am not denying this, but again, it is NAI.

[bo_sox48]

If I do not have to push suspicion elsewhere in order to deflect suspicion, what the hell is deflecting suspicion?

You're very clearly full of shit.

[bo_sox48]

Oh, ##VOTE bozo lol

[bozotheclown]

Additionally, who's next when I flip town?

I do not currently know, a lot can happen before D2 EOD.

Your entire course of action relies on me being scum, and you have not considered any other alternatives. You are tunneling. You have intended nothing but to try to lynch me all day today, which explains why you spent what I have no doubt was hours compiling useless statistics about my former gameplay but have no consideration toward my play here. You have gone out of your way to avoid casting that vote until I was a viable wagon as you do not want to be the one who is considered the leader of this train when I am mislynched. But you will be, because I am making you the leader.

This is not true, I have independent reasons to suspect other players. You were the one who moved your vote off of Foxcastle when he was up 5-1, I was fine with flipping Foxcastle because of his overreaction to my vote for him.

[bo_sox48]

I do not currently know, a lot can happen before D2 EOD.

Your entire course of action relies on me being scum, and you have not considered any other alternatives. You are tunneling. You have intended nothing but to try to lynch me all day today, which explains why you spent what I have no doubt was hours compiling useless statistics about my former gameplay but have no consideration toward my play here. You have gone out of your way to avoid casting that vote until I was a viable wagon as you do not want to be the one who is considered the leader of this train when I am mislynched. But you will be, because I am making you the leader.

This is not true, I have independent reasons to suspect other players. You were the one who moved your vote off of Foxcastle when he was up 5-1, I was fine with flipping Foxcastle because of his overreaction to my vote for him.

But you would not vote for him when I flip town by your own admission, and you have nobody else on your radar also by your own admission. It is absolutely true.

[brainbomb]

##Vote worcej

[bozotheclown]

If I do not have to push suspicion elsewhere in order to deflect suspicion, what the hell is deflecting suspicion?

You're very clearly full of shit.

You can deflect suspicion from yourself without targeting someone else.

[damo666]

I've come to the conclusion that bo and bozo are not BOTH scum lol

[Jamiet99uk]

Additionally, do you plan on asking me any questions? I've been waiting patiently. That goes for xorxes, Jamie, and rdrivera as well.

Excuse me?

Are you trying to make it look like I just naked voted you without explaining, or didn't ask you any questions?

Xorxes has also asked you questions.

Hmm.

You explained your vote. I don't remember you asking me any questions, but even if you have, ask me more. You're here, I'm here.

Hmm.

You must have seen my questions because you answered them.

Are you trying to copy Fluminator's behaviour from the previous game?