M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[bozotheclown]

What exactly were you referring to when you said you "forgot all that"?

BunnyGo has not answered this question yet. Is anyone else concerned that BunnyGo's reason for changing his vote from kgray to damo does not make sense?

Do a search for me talking about Damo. You’ll find an analysis. It was acummiwr than I’d remembered.

You referenced your reread of damo, but the only post I could find where you talked about a reread of damo was the following, where you did not seem to have a scum read of him:

These three damo posts stand out on reread. Both for what they literally say, and for the interaction with Flum.

This end voting is a mistake given the vote distribution is not considered. It is too easily manipulated by scum.

Anybody not unending I will consider to be a scum.

Happy to vote any of the lurkers.

How about this for a theory?

There is always an example of busing on day 1.

Top 3 wagons were TvTvT ( worcej the only unknown but widely townread).

Xorxes never busses.

Hence EMC and Flum are a scumpair.

Voila!

If scum want to show themselves this way, let them.

Also, the whole "if you don't do this, you are scum" is... just not a good play. Either you don't mean it, or you're just announcing the rubric for scum to play by.

Ok fair point.

##end

I think it's actually fairly towny that damo gets talked into it.

1) He says something about Xorxes bussing, before the Bob wagon. I don't know whether to think that means Xorxes decided to bus (since Damo said this), or never busses. Thoughts Damo?
2) He calls out EMC/Flum scumpair. He was wrong about EMC, but I wonder if this influenced putative scum!Flum. Will keep in mind when checking Flum's interactions with EMC.

[BunnyGo]

Lol. I'm town.

Do you agree with me that we are basically down to 6 pairs?

If so how do you rank them?
@Bozo I would like you to do the same exercise.

Thanks.

I do not agree that we are down to six pairs, so I am not going to rank them. It is possible that you and kgray are both scum, playing to get a mislynch another day. Or, you could be scum instead of kgray. It is also not impossible that you and kgray are both town, although I think that is unlikely.

Surely SS is as unlikely as TT. If it were SS I'd have gone for the win!

What are you talking about? Do you think it might have been SS from yPOV as you say?

[BunnyGo]

What exactly were you referring to when you said you "forgot all that"?

BunnyGo has not answered this question yet. Is anyone else concerned that BunnyGo's reason for changing his vote from kgray to damo does not make sense?

I can think of reasons but yes let's hear from soberBunny (or drunkBunny)

I'm here. I'm exhausted, but I'm here. Did my answer suffice for you?

[BunnyGo]

What exactly were you referring to when you said you "forgot all that"?

BunnyGo has not answered this question yet. Is anyone else concerned that BunnyGo's reason for changing his vote from kgray to damo does not make sense?

I agree Bunny's vote change didn't make a lot of sense, but not much of what he was saying D6 made sense to me anyway. I think it's possible that Bunny is PZ, but I think today we should try to lynch someone who is likely to be nonPZ scum. From my POV, Bunny is almost certainly not nonPZ scum.

Nobody--EVER--has suggested that Bunny was sane. Not my wife, not me, not my friends, not the talking hamster I sleep with, NOBODY!

Bunny is here, and Bunny is delirious with lack of sleep. Bunny is ready for mafia.

Bunny is going to stare into the game. He will ride the Nirvana of mafia that Flum advocated.

Bunny will solve...then Bunny will sleep.

[BunnyGo]

##Gm note

I found a new job as a kitchen mgr at a golf course. I was unemployed less than a week. thanks all for the kind support. I am here to help gm again if needed
and to resume my wonderful flavour posts bunnygo loved so dearly

.....

##VOTE BRAINBOMB

[BunnyGo]

I was thinking these posts. They came up on reread.

<snip.
Fox you still made no impression on me. And none on Drunk Bunny (TM). Why is that? I read your posts. I see you. But I never remember you. It’s like you have a Somebody Else’s Problem field around you. It’s disconcerting.

Kgray still seems like an eager and useful noob town.

Damo is starting to bother me. Why did he try to weirdly save Chaq?

I could vote for Chaq. I could vote for Damo. I could vote for Balki.

@kgray having read your ISO on me I'm confused about my own alignment lol.

I am floundering which your post kind of proves.

However, worcej flipping town as I suspected he would does make my Flum/emc hypothesis kind of interesting.

Another hypothesis: There are 2 scum who knew Bob's alignment so most unlikely (imo) that they were both bussing Bob therfore (from MPOV) there must be AT LEAST ONE SCUM in {rdr, Jamie, kgray, fox, Chaqa, Damo}

Of these I townread Jamie Fox and kgray (in that order).

##vote rdr

Jesus christ, Damo. At least have the courtesy to include yourself in the list. I've corrected it above, and it makes you look really sketchy.

Then Chaq jumps back to EMC and says he scum reads Bob while doing so. I *really* don't like that move.

It's hedgy, tries to play all angles, but makes movement to EMC. Then Damo says "1 more switch needed".

Why rdr? I still don’t understand that wagon.

Balki, I’d rather focus on the EMC group today. Bozo makes some good Damo points (I’m honesty surprised. I wonder if I’m just tired). Let’s ##VOTE DAMO. But an EMC wagon would be tempting too.

Damo is a bad lynch idea today.

EMC or Balki should be the lynch.

I’ve changed my mind about Balki today. I want Town to stop tripping over feet and letting scum get away with stuff. I’ll join you on EMC if that’s more viable than Damo.

If someone has time to dig into kgray, and make a similarly compelling case, I’d consider that too.

[BunnyGo]

Ok, I'm going to ##VOTE DAMO.

I don't dislike either of the other two wagons. My complaints are:

1) While I agree Xorxes is lazy!Xorxes this game, I think we give ourselves best odds figuring out which of Damo/kgray is scum

2) I want to do this by finding likely scum teams. Since I doubt kgray/Xorxes is the scum team (this is not the time to bus so hard) that means that if Xorxes is scum, then so is Damo.

So while I do more research and thinking, I'm parking it there.

If Damo doesn't gain traction, I'm going to kgray. I don't see another wagon worth voting for today. I agree we need to solve. But my focus will be on them:

1) They both voted EMC on D3, and Damo pushed hard for it
2) One of them is very likely scum. Knowing which helps solve the rest. If we can't figure out which, we lose anyways
3) Throwing new wagons in today makes our lives harder. Scum are likely to help us get a town wagon going, and town will be split between wagons and have less influence and ability to congregate where we need to.

Thoughts?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Wait, what?

You believe that Damo and Xorxes is a scum pair.

But if Damo does not gain traction, you are moving to kgray?

That, Bunny, does not make sense.

[Balki Bartokomous]

##vote Xorxes

I might still be persuaded by Xorxes, frankly, but these are the reasons I think he is Patient Zero:

1) He has been passive and disinterested. My understanding of the Xorx meta is that he prefers to be Town, and just never seems to turn it on as Scum. This feels like Scum!Xorx, especially given his low activity and low passion here at LYLO.

2) We can see that the whole wagon on Xorx on Day 4 was Town after they all flipped. It would be really odd for that many townies to go after another Town while the entire scum team of three stays away.

3) If Town Xorx has a Townread on Damo this hard, he’d have some good reasons and he’d share them.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Bunny’s suggestion that he’ll just slide over to Kgray if the Damo vote doesn’t gain traction is just...crazy.

It’s LYLO. Bunny knows that. And I think it’s extremely likely that Damo and kgray are on different teams. So...he’s just going to switch to the other one if Damo “doesn’t gain traction”?

Shouldn’t Bunny have a strong preference between them? Shouldn’t he be trying to figure it out rather than settling on the one with the most votes?

Crazy.

[BunnyGo]

Wait, what?

You believe that Damo and Xorxes is a scum pair.

But if Damo does not gain traction, you are moving to kgray?

That, Bunny, does not make sense.

That's not what I said.

I said Xorxes is lazy. It's scummy.

I said I don't see it possible he's scum with kgray. So only possible with Damo.

I said we need to figure out which of kgray/damo are scum. I could be wrong about Damo. I'm no genius at this.

Damo and kgray are my leading scum candidates as it is highly improbably neither are scum.

So yes...if Damo doesn't gain traction, I'm voting kgray.

If we lynch damo, I'm taking a long hard look at xorxes.

If we lynch kgray, I'm taking a long hard look at you.

[BunnyGo]

Bunny’s suggestion that he’ll just slide over to Kgray if the Damo vote doesn’t gain traction is just...crazy.

It’s LYLO. Bunny knows that. And I think it’s extremely likely that Damo and kgray are on different teams. So...he’s just going to switch to the other one if Damo “doesn’t gain traction”?

Shouldn’t Bunny have a strong preference between them? Shouldn’t he be trying to figure it out rather than settling on the one with the most votes?

Crazy.

It is not crazy you numbnuts.

One of them is scum. I think it's Damo. But I see no reason to go off the rails and throw in a new candidate.

[BunnyGo]

The fact that Balki thinks that we have 2 people who were on EMC D3, and these same 2 people were the wagon yesterday, and he's NOT focusing on them? This is crazy. That's all he's been focusing on since N3.

[BunnyGo]

Wait, what?

You believe that Damo and Xorxes is a scum pair.

But if Damo does not gain traction, you are moving to kgray?

That, Bunny, does not make sense.

That's not what I said.

I said Xorxes is lazy. It's scummy.

I said I don't see it possible he's scum with kgray. So only possible with Damo.

I said we need to figure out which of kgray/damo are scum. I could be wrong about Damo. I'm no genius at this.

Damo and kgray are my leading scum candidates as it is highly improbably neither are scum.

So yes...if Damo doesn't gain traction, I'm voting kgray.

If we lynch damo, I'm taking a long hard look at xorxes.

If we lynch kgray, I'm taking a long hard look at you.

If we lynch someone else, I pray we're not wrong.

[kgray]

Hmm...

There was a bit of cherrypicking there, yes. The first quote is because I was frustrated with rivera, who I was townreading for an obvious townslip, and he kept asking me over and over why I scumread worcej even after I explained it several times. So I could not attribute his denseness to scumminess. The second one was me chastizing Jamiet for scumreading bozo for telling a "lie" that was a patently obvious joke (that's where Chaqa's college roommates started to prop up everywhere, I think). Nothing like those things have happened this game for me to get into that state. The third one seems pretty normal me explaining something I did.

As for my scumreads, you either are not reading what I write, or you are just making stuff up. But since you're scum, I don't blame you for that.

I mean, I could have picked a number of quotes from M1009 where it was obvious that you actually cared about solving the game. The reasons you were frustrated with rdr or chastising Jamie aren't really important to me. It's important that you had strong reads and defended them. That you got hung up on rdr not understanding you and on Jamie missing a joke (whether you thought that was intentional or not). You cared. You wanted to figure out why people thought the way they thought and you needed to convince people you were right, because you needed to solve a puzzle and make your case to the rest of town.

I have reread you 3 times now. Please point out any post you've made this game which you think demonstrates that same level of effort and urgency, because I haven't seen that.

Also, I'd love it if you could point out where you explain your other scumreads. I see that you said this:

kgray > Balki > Bunny > Jamie > bozo > damo

And yet you provided no explanations. Why do you think Balki is scum? Is it just because you think I am, and it's your POE? Why Bunny over Jamie?

You have literally never given a reason why you scumread me that isn't POE. What have I done that's scummy? Surely you could think of something. I do not see any scenario where the xorxes from M1009 would townread damo hard enough to back him in lylo without questioning it, especially if you can't even come up with a decent reason why you think I'm scum.

And if you truly believe you've done this and you think I'm just being an asshole, then please actually just assume that I'm an idiot and spell it out for me. Because I'm town, and if you're town I would love for you to convince me. I just have a feeling that's not going to happen.

[kgray]

@kgray,

Seems like you are assuming a scum team of Damo/Xorx/Bozo.

If that’s the team, Flum would have been a very confused Townie and the only one voting with the bad guys. Why on Earth would that team kill Flum?

I am fairly convinced it is damo and xorx but I don't know about bozo. Not knowing how many teammates PZ knows makes things trickier.

Yeah, the Flum kill still confuses me. Maybe because Flum was onto xorxes. Maybe scum wanted to make me look bad by killing someone on my wagon. Maybe scum thought Flum was the most likely person to solve the game, or the least likely to be persuaded by their agenda. I really don't know.

[kgray]

Sure, it is possible, but when I talk about bussing I am referring to voting for a scum teammate at anytime, not just ending on a teammate. I have never seen xorxes start a wagon on a scum teammate, but until M46 I do not think I had seen xorxes bus at all. However, if he is scum, I think it is more likely he is patient zero.

Do you think he's more likely PZ if he's scum because of his vote for bob or because of how the D6 wagons ended up?

[kgray]

##vote Xorxes

I might still be persuaded by Xorxes, frankly, but these are the reasons I think he is Patient Zero:

1) He has been passive and disinterested. My understanding of the Xorx meta is that he prefers to be Town, and just never seems to turn it on as Scum. This feels like Scum!Xorx, especially given his low activity and low passion here at LYLO.

2) We can see that the whole wagon on Xorx on Day 4 was Town after they all flipped. It would be really odd for that many townies to go after another Town while the entire scum team of three stays away.

3) If Town Xorx has a Townread on Damo this hard, he’d have some good reasons and he’d share them.

Why do you think he is PZ as opposed to regular scum? Just because of his vote for bob?

[kgray]

Balki you were pretty adamant earlier that scum wouldn't bus bob D3 because town not catching a scum is such an advantage for the scum team. I'm surprised you're saying that bussing would happen in mylo. Can you walk me though that more?

Yeah, I'll try to explain my thinking on this later on today. I have to do some real work for a bit.

Balki, this is actually pretty important to me. Please don't forget about it.

[kgray]

@Bunny, I get the urge to want to lynch between damo and I. However, please consider something from my perspective: I very, very strongly believe that damo and xorxes are a scum pair. However, it is technically possible that xorxes is scum without damo being scum. If D6 was TvT, I could still see scum-xorxes playing this way. I do not see how xorxes could be town regardless of damo's alignment.

I'm very willing to lynch damo today. But I think xorxes is a better choice.