M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[damo666]

Assume I'm quite tired and need this explaining to me.

Why does Fluminator's flip prove that Balki is scum?

Not proof exactly but if my theory is correct you are town. Does that help?

Not really no because I don't care about scum declaring they "townread" me.

Let's look at this theory of yours. I assume you mean this:

This is how I think things will go:

N6 Bozo NKd Town 4-3 up

D7 kgray lynched (I think this will happen quite quickly, I won't explain why as I want scum to make an error but townsfolk consider that one of our team voted for me) - flips scum Town 4-2 up

N7 I am NKd - Town 3-2 up

D8 This is do or die day

I think the best strategy is to lynch Balki (Balki and Jamie must vote for each other regardless of alignment so lynching Balki will be possible).

Roughly 1/6 chance Balki is town, game over and scum have won.

If Balki flips scum (50%) then 3-1 up N8 say Xorxes NK so town 2-1 up, D9 lynch Bunny 34/(100-34) = say half chance PZ, half town so townvic 25%, scumvic 25%

If Balki flips PZ (34%) then D( lynch Jamie, game over town win.

In the highlighted part, why must Jamie and Balki vote for each other regardless of alignment?

because kgray will have flipped scum and I will have flipped town meaning either you or Balki are remaining scum meaning you have to vote for each other as nothing else would make sense

[kgray]

Fluminator has died they were a vanilla town.

Day has begun

Lovely. Proves Balki not town.

##vote kgray

vote Balki next

game over

## end

Even if you are correct it is not game over. One more scum is needed.

xorxes how could he possibly correct? How could Flum being town possibly PROVE Balki is scum?? I definitely refuse to believe you're this dense.

[damo666]

Fluminator has died they were a vanilla town.

Day has begun

Lovely. Proves Balki not town.

##vote kgray

vote Balki next

game over

## end

Even if you are correct it is not game over. One more scum is needed.

kgray and Balki are scum & PV doesn't matter which way round. GAME OVER

[kgray]

Lovely. Proves Balki not town.

##vote kgray

vote Balki next

game over

## end

Even if you are correct it is not game over. One more scum is needed.

kgray and Balki are scum & PV doesn't matter which way round. GAME OVER

Hey, I think I caught my first fake town slip!

[kgray]

because kgray will have flipped scum and I will have flipped town meaning either you or Balki are remaining scum meaning you have to vote for each other as nothing else would make sense

And now that Flum was the NK, that doesn't change your assumption at all? Why in the world would I kill you N7 you if I were scum?

[damo666]

Lovely. Proves Balki not town.

##vote kgray

vote Balki next

game over

## end

Even if you are correct it is not game over. One more scum is needed.

kgray and Balki are scum & PV doesn't matter which way round. GAME OVER

Oh hang on. One missing.

[damo666]

Got carried away.

kgray and Balki defo scum

third man Jamie > Bunny>>>>> Xorxes >>>>>>>Bozo

[xorxes]

So just to be clear, you're not considering this possibility because if it's true then town can't win? Bunny was right, you're being lazy.

I am considering it, or I wouldn't have mentioned it. Which of the two do you think is more likely?

xorxes which of these do you think is more likely? And if you assume either case, what conclusions would you draw?

TvT would only make sense if no scum was there at EOD, but everyone was posting at the end, so everyone was there, so that's the least likely. If you were town and damo scum then bozo would have to be his teammate, and one of Balki/Jamiet/Bunny would have to be PZ.

[xorxes]

Lovely. Proves Balki not town.

##vote kgray

vote Balki next

game over

## end

Even if you are correct it is not game over. One more scum is needed.

xorxes how could he possibly correct? How could Flum being town possibly PROVE Balki is scum?? I definitely refuse to believe you're this dense.

It's obvious what I meant. If he is correct about kgray+Balki being scum. I'm sure you understood what I meant.

[damo666]

Sorry got overexcited. Anyway kgray is scum and so is Balki.

Either lynch me or kgray today.

##vote kgray

[damo666]

## end

[kgray]

I am considering it, or I wouldn't have mentioned it. Which of the two do you think is more likely?

xorxes which of these do you think is more likely? And if you assume either case, what conclusions would you draw?

TvT would only make sense if no scum was there at EOD, but everyone was posting at the end, so everyone was there, so that's the least likely. If you were town and damo scum then bozo would have to be his teammate, and one of Balki/Jamiet/Bunny would have to be PZ.

Cool, I also believe TvT is least likely. Can you please explain why you scumread me so much more than damo? I'd like to know why you were so confident that I'm scum over damo that you tried to avoid a tie in mylo by calling for Bunny to vote for me.

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Damo,

Take a deep breath and explain why you think I am scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

Got carried away.

kgray and Balki defo scum

third man Jamie > Bunny>>>>> Xorxes >>>>>>>Bozo

Wait a minute. Moments ago you said if Kgray flipped scum then either Balki OR myself must be scum.

Now you are saying you think we both are.

You are changing your story pretty fast, Damo.

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE DAMO

[Balki Bartokomous]

I am pretty sure that Scum!Balki could have lynched Flum yesterday for the win, right?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Everyone slow down.

No End Votes. If you are Town voting end, you give scum a chance to win the game. We just got a ton of info. Let’s use it.

NO END VOTES

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Damo, if you are Town, because of the ridiculous hammer rules here, Scum could win right now.

[kgray]

@Damo, if you are Town, because of the ridiculous hammer rules here, Scum could win right now.

Does ending need 4 or 5?

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Damo, UNEND RIGHT NOW. Even if you think I am scum, Town !Damo would unend.