M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Fluminator]

You're probably town though.
Scum wouldn't be this pissed at being tricked lol.

[damo666]

That’s the wrong math here. And you should know better. They just need 1 town scanned. That’s it.

Any scum scanned is a bonus. Any more town scanned is a bonus.

They don’t need to solve, they just need to screw us.

PZ has to solve

Why?! They just need 1 mislynch. They don’t need the whole solve.

Unless PZ has scanned both the other live scum they are somewhat ignorant. They may know the identity of say 1-3 town but the other scum don't know who PZ is aware of

We shouldn't give PZ a free scan.

[xorxes]

##vote kgray

sorry kgray, xorx deserved to be lynched before you.

What the f*^% is this?!

See this!! This is why I wanted to know. Now I have to worry if Scum!Flum is baiting me or if town!Flum is helping. It’s NOT USEFUL.

Ok. I’m staying on no-lynch and will think about what to do if that doesn’t ride. I’ll probably stay with my gut on kgray, but this is scummy as hell from Flum.

Xorxes is lazy as hell too, and that’s not good.

It's very possible that Flum is bussing kgray.

[kgray]

No worries damo, PZ won't get another scan if you lynch me. They'll have won.

##vote flum

[Jamiet99uk]

Hey it worked! You did townread me after that.

False. More falsehood.

[Fluminator]

##vote kgray

sorry kgray, xorx deserved to be lynched before you.

What the f*^% is this?!

See this!! This is why I wanted to know. Now I have to worry if Scum!Flum is baiting me or if town!Flum is helping. It’s NOT USEFUL.

Ok. I’m staying on no-lynch and will think about what to do if that doesn’t ride. I’ll probably stay with my gut on kgray, but this is scummy as hell from Flum.

Xorxes is lazy as hell too, and that’s not good.

It's very possible that Flum is bussing kgray.

I like how Xorx is just hiding in the background not participating, egging people on.

[Jamiet99uk]

Dammit I've got two re-reads I still want to do, and here's Fluminator once again distracting me with his nonsense.

[kgray]

What the f*^% is this?!

See this!! This is why I wanted to know. Now I have to worry if Scum!Flum is baiting me or if town!Flum is helping. It’s NOT USEFUL.

Ok. I’m staying on no-lynch and will think about what to do if that doesn’t ride. I’ll probably stay with my gut on kgray, but this is scummy as hell from Flum.

Xorxes is lazy as hell too, and that’s not good.

It's very possible that Flum is bussing kgray.

I like how Xorx is just hiding in the background not participating, egging people on.

Yup, and Balki's disappeared too.

[Fluminator]

Hey it worked! You did townread me after that.

False. More falsehood.

No, after that you started townreading me.

After Rdr and Fox were town, you became a big question mark and I needed to figure out your alignment.
I revealed I lied to you today to see how you'd react because you're much easier to read when you're upset because you're more easy to upset when you're town.
I hope you consider the pro-town motive in that as I try to figure the remaining scum.

[xorxes]

What the f*^% is this?!

See this!! This is why I wanted to know. Now I have to worry if Scum!Flum is baiting me or if town!Flum is helping. It’s NOT USEFUL.

Ok. I’m staying on no-lynch and will think about what to do if that doesn’t ride. I’ll probably stay with my gut on kgray, but this is scummy as hell from Flum.

Xorxes is lazy as hell too, and that’s not good.

It's very possible that Flum is bussing kgray.

I like how Xorx is just hiding in the background not participating, egging people on.

How am I not participating? I'm working, so I can't be here all the time, and yet I'm participating more than most other people.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Okay, let me just collate a couple of things here:

1. Fluminator apparently genuinely thought I might be the Watcher.

2. Fluminator has admitted he deliberately made fake posts pretending to be oblivious to some of my posts, in a manner designed to get my attention and get a reaction out of me... at a time when he thought I was the Watcher.

Conclusion: Fluminator is scum who was actively hunting for the Watcher, the one dangerous Town PR remaining at the time.

##Vote Fluminator


I need to re-read Bozo and Damo still. Damo's conviction that Bozo is locktown makes me doubt my own townlean on Bozo because Damo is scummy as fuck.

Jamiet,

I have found that when people admit to you that they lied about something in this game, they are more likely to be town. Consider the difference between telling you that he was trying to manipulate you in some way vs being caught manipulating you and trying to hide it.

***Boring personal story alert***

When I played my first forum mafia game, I said something on day 1 about how I wanted to draw town reads. And I meant it. Town immediately pushed me from widely townread to a day 1 mislynch. They thought -- "Oooo, trying to attract town credit or become widely read as town is scummy." The mistake was that this is something that I was openly discussing and admitting to, which scum is less likely to do.

I think that townies are more likely to openly admit that they did something that someone else might think is textbook scummy.

[kgray]

Okay, let me just collate a couple of things here:

1. Fluminator apparently genuinely thought I might be the Watcher.

2. Fluminator has admitted he deliberately made fake posts pretending to be oblivious to some of my posts, in a manner designed to get my attention and get a reaction out of me... at a time when he thought I was the Watcher.

Conclusion: Fluminator is scum who was actively hunting for the Watcher, the one dangerous Town PR remaining at the time.

##Vote Fluminator


I need to re-read Bozo and Damo still. Damo's conviction that Bozo is locktown makes me doubt my own townlean on Bozo because Damo is scummy as fuck.

Jamiet,

I have found that when people admit to you that they lied about something in this game, they are more likely to be town. Consider the difference between telling you that he was trying to manipulate you in some way vs being caught manipulating you and trying to hide it.

***Boring personal story alert***

When I played my first forum mafia game, I said something on day 1 about how I wanted to draw town reads. And I meant it. Town immediately pushed me from widely townread to a day 1 mislynch. They thought -- "Oooo, trying to attract town credit or become widely read as town is scummy." The mistake was that this is something that I was openly discussing and admitting to, which scum is less likely to do.

I think that townies are more likely to openly admit that they did something that someone else might think is textbook scummy.

Out of everything that happened since you left, this is what you want to address first? Are you and Flum actually scum partners after all?

[Fluminator]

Okay, let me just collate a couple of things here:

1. Fluminator apparently genuinely thought I might be the Watcher.

2. Fluminator has admitted he deliberately made fake posts pretending to be oblivious to some of my posts, in a manner designed to get my attention and get a reaction out of me... at a time when he thought I was the Watcher.

Conclusion: Fluminator is scum who was actively hunting for the Watcher, the one dangerous Town PR remaining at the time.

##Vote Fluminator


I need to re-read Bozo and Damo still. Damo's conviction that Bozo is locktown makes me doubt my own townlean on Bozo because Damo is scummy as fuck.

Jamiet,

I have found that when people admit to you that they lied about something in this game, they are more likely to be town. Consider the difference between telling you that he was trying to manipulate you in some way vs being caught manipulating you and trying to hide it.

***Boring personal story alert***

When I played my first forum mafia game, I said something on day 1 about how I wanted to draw town reads. And I meant it. Town immediately pushed me from widely townread to a day 1 mislynch. They thought -- "Oooo, trying to attract town credit or become widely read as town is scummy." The mistake was that this is something that I was openly discussing and admitting to, which scum is less likely to do.

I think that townies are more likely to openly admit that they did something that someone else might think is textbook scummy.

Out of everything that happened since you left, this is what you want to address first? Are you and Flum actually scum partners after all?

I wish kgray, that would have been so great

[kgray]

@Flum, when you were pushing for emc's info lynch D4, why did you think the whole game clicked together if emc was scum? Who did you think the rest of the scumteam would have been?

If EMC is scum, then I'll probably join you on him tomorrow.
Lets check EMC first.

Is this just an info lynch for you or do you think EMC is scum?

Day 3 makes too much sense if he's scum I think. Like the whole game clicks together if he happens to be scum. It's worth the risk.
He's an info+lurker+scumread lynch.

[kgray]

@Flum also, can you explain again how you knew or at least assumed emc was going to flip town, but still voted for him?

If EMC gets lynched, I won't be ranting to the God thread about how bad the town is because I understand that one.

[BunnyGo]

One quick thought and then I have to get back to kids. Will try to be on with 30 minutes to go.

Is it possible both leading wagons with 1 hour to go are scum? Wouldn't scum be jumping on no-lynch with me at this point?

So...if you leave me this choice with 1 hour to go, I actually think Flum's movement today is SO MUCH SCUM and kgray has a scummy past, but if I don't tunnel that read and say "noob" then she could be town-esque.

F*#$! Consider my vote switched to Flum if we don't get no-lynch going.

[kgray]

Yeah you were right Flum, you do look terrible EOD4.

xorxes (4) e.m.c^42 Chaqa Foxcastle rdrivera2005
This might literally be one of the worst wagons I've ever seen.

Literally the 4 people I said are the only people who should be up for lynch earlier today, are trying to lynch the player with the highest reputation for basically no reason other than gut feel?

This game got funny again.

[Fluminator]

@Flum, when you were pushing for emc's info lynch D4, why did you think the whole game clicked together if emc was scum? Who did you think the rest of the scumteam would have been?

Is this just an info lynch for you or do you think EMC is scum?

Day 3 makes too much sense if he's scum I think. Like the whole game clicks together if he happens to be scum. It's worth the risk.
He's an info+lurker+scumread lynch.

I would have been certain Balki was scum if EMC was scum at the time.

It was also meant as a signal to Jamiet to be okay with me pretending to be watcher for this lynch, seeing me say everything clicked after he told stuff I wrongly interpreted as a crumb.

[Jamiet99uk]

Xorxes is insightful as town and a major threat to scum.

He's just kinda coasting along in this game.

I have looked back over the last two days and can find no particular reason to townread Xorxes.

This concerns me.

[Fluminator]

One quick thought and then I have to get back to kids. Will try to be on with 30 minutes to go.

Is it possible both leading wagons with 1 hour to go are scum? Wouldn't scum be jumping on no-lynch with me at this point?

So...if you leave me this choice with 1 hour to go, I actually think Flum's movement today is SO MUCH SCUM and kgray has a scummy past, but if I don't tunnel that read and say "noob" then she could be town-esque.

F*#$! Consider my vote switched to Flum if we don't get no-lynch going.

I have like over double the posts as second place poster today Bunny. I'm trying to figure this out. Going into today, no one suspected me (but Damo apparently), and if I wasn't super concerned about the lynch today, I wouldn't be posting more than twice as much as the next person.
I'd be sneaking under the radar like Xorx does because it works.

I genuinely don't know what I'm doing that's so scummy besides being super active.