M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Fluminator]

Also I dropped it because I realized you weren't necessarily softcrumbing and I just misread in excitement.
I'm only responding to Xorx what my point of view was at the time.

[damo666]

There's 8 people dead and 7 people alive that PZ could have scanned already, so aprox 50% of their scans could be dead. They had 5 scans so far, which means they probably know the alignment of 2/3 people and don't know the alignment of 4/5. Giving them another scan is a considerable advantage.

That’s the wrong math here. And you should know better. They just need 1 town scanned. That’s it.

Any scum scanned is a bonus. Any more town scanned is a bonus.

They don’t need to solve, they just need to screw us.

PZ has to solve

[Jamiet99uk]

Okay, let me just collate a couple of things here:

1. Fluminator apparently genuinely thought I might be the Watcher.

2. Fluminator has admitted he deliberately made fake posts pretending to be oblivious to some of my posts, in a manner designed to get my attention and get a reaction out of me... at a time when he thought I was the Watcher.

Conclusion: Fluminator is scum who was actively hunting for the Watcher, the one dangerous Town PR remaining at the time.

##Vote Fluminator


I need to re-read Bozo and Damo still. Damo's conviction that Bozo is locktown makes me doubt my own townlean on Bozo because Damo is scummy as fuck.

[damo666]

Fwiw, every other mafia site no lynches at mylo unless there's a confirmed town.

In my mind Bozo is quasi conftown

[BunnyGo]

##vote kgray

sorry kgray, xorx deserved to be lynched before you.

What the f*^% is this?!

See this!! This is why I wanted to know. Now I have to worry if Scum!Flum is baiting me or if town!Flum is helping. It’s NOT USEFUL.

Ok. I’m staying on no-lynch and will think about what to do if that doesn’t ride. I’ll probably stay with my gut on kgray, but this is scummy as hell from Flum.

Xorxes is lazy as hell too, and that’s not good.

[bozotheclown]

@bozo, yeah I get that defending myself is NAI. But no one else is going to do it, so a few comments:

• I didn't have a strong preference of Vecna vs. any of the other lurkers. I didn't have strong reads at all at that point, which is why I hadn't mentioned any scumreads.

• I didn't develop scumreads of rdr and Fox just because others were pushing them. I did that because we had new information. I'm not saying that no one influenced my reads, but when I reread day 3 knowing that bob was scum, I found new people I thought were likely to be scum. I changed my read of Chaqa based on that same information.

• Besides D3, which votes of mine are consistent with not bussing my teammates? Worcej, bo, Fox, rdr were counter wagons to who I voted for, and they were all town. I don't know if xorxes is scum. Do you know that he is? I've consistently voted for who I thought has been scum. I've just been wrong.

I am not sure I understand your point about xorxes since you never voted for him. These are the players you have voted for: Temasek, Vecna, Chaqa, emc, rdrivera, Foxcastle. Since they were all town, all of your votes are consistent with not bussing your teammates.

[Fluminator]

No, I didn't think you were a watcher after Fox died. (Or after EMC died)

I wanted to see your reaction today when I revealed it was a fake townslip that I wasn't reading your posts.

[BunnyGo]

Okay, let me just collate a couple of things here:

1. Fluminator apparently genuinely thought I might be the Watcher.

2. Fluminator has admitted he deliberately made fake posts pretending to be oblivious to some of my posts, in a manner designed to get my attention and get a reaction out of me... at a time when he thought I was the Watcher.

Conclusion: Fluminator is scum who was actively hunting for the Watcher, the one dangerous Town PR remaining at the time.

##Vote Fluminator


I need to re-read Bozo and Damo still. Damo's conviction that Bozo is locktown makes me doubt my own townlean on Bozo because Damo is scummy as fuck.

Why did they not NK you then? If scum!Flum thought you were watcher?

[Jamiet99uk]

No, I didn't think you were a watcher after Fox died. (Or after EMC died)

I wanted to see your reaction today when I revealed it was a fake townslip that I wasn't reading your posts.

At the time you planted your fake posts, Fox was very much alive.

[BunnyGo]

There's 8 people dead and 7 people alive that PZ could have scanned already, so aprox 50% of their scans could be dead. They had 5 scans so far, which means they probably know the alignment of 2/3 people and don't know the alignment of 4/5. Giving them another scan is a considerable advantage.

That’s the wrong math here. And you should know better. They just need 1 town scanned. That’s it.

Any scum scanned is a bonus. Any more town scanned is a bonus.

They don’t need to solve, they just need to screw us.

PZ has to solve

Why?! They just need 1 mislynch. They don’t need the whole solve.

[Fluminator]

##vote kgray

sorry kgray, xorx deserved to be lynched before you.

What the f*^% is this?!

See this!! This is why I wanted to know. Now I have to worry if Scum!Flum is baiting me or if town!Flum is helping. It’s NOT USEFUL.

Ok. I’m staying on no-lynch and will think about what to do if that doesn’t ride. I’ll probably stay with my gut on kgray, but this is scummy as hell from Flum.

Xorxes is lazy as hell too, and that’s not good.

I'd prefer lynching Xorx today, but Kgray is my other scum read. I was pretty clear on that after my reread.

[kgray]

@bozo, yeah I get that defending myself is NAI. But no one else is going to do it, so a few comments:

• I didn't have a strong preference of Vecna vs. any of the other lurkers. I didn't have strong reads at all at that point, which is why I hadn't mentioned any scumreads.

• I didn't develop scumreads of rdr and Fox just because others were pushing them. I did that because we had new information. I'm not saying that no one influenced my reads, but when I reread day 3 knowing that bob was scum, I found new people I thought were likely to be scum. I changed my read of Chaqa based on that same information.

• Besides D3, which votes of mine are consistent with not bussing my teammates? Worcej, bo, Fox, rdr were counter wagons to who I voted for, and they were all town. I don't know if xorxes is scum. Do you know that he is? I've consistently voted for who I thought has been scum. I've just been wrong.

I am not sure I understand your point about xorxes since you never voted for him. These are the players you have voted for: Temasek, Vecna, Chaqa, emc, rdrivera, Foxcastle. Since they were all town, all of your votes are consistent with not bussing your teammates.

Oh, I see what you're saying. I just meant that xorxes is the only person that seemed likely to be lynched at some point who hasn't proven to be town. I thought you were implying that I deliberately didn't vote for him because he's my teammate. But I realize now that you just mean I've only voted for town.

[Jamiet99uk]

Okay, let me just collate a couple of things here:

1. Fluminator apparently genuinely thought I might be the Watcher.

2. Fluminator has admitted he deliberately made fake posts pretending to be oblivious to some of my posts, in a manner designed to get my attention and get a reaction out of me... at a time when he thought I was the Watcher.

Conclusion: Fluminator is scum who was actively hunting for the Watcher, the one dangerous Town PR remaining at the time.

##Vote Fluminator


I need to re-read Bozo and Damo still. Damo's conviction that Bozo is locktown makes me doubt my own townlean on Bozo because Damo is scummy as fuck.

Why did they not NK you then? If scum!Flum thought you were watcher?

Flum thinking that I was softing Watcher occurred during D4.

During N4 I loudly declared that I was *not* the Watcher.

To NK me in those circumstances they would have to assume I really was the Watcher and was bluffing.

[Fluminator]

No, I didn't think you were a watcher after Fox died. (Or after EMC died)

I wanted to see your reaction today when I revealed it was a fake townslip that I wasn't reading your posts.

At the time you planted your fake posts, Fox was very much alive.

I wasn't reaction testing you with those fake posts. I was trying to get you to townread me.

[Jamiet99uk]

No, I didn't think you were a watcher after Fox died. (Or after EMC died)

I wanted to see your reaction today when I revealed it was a fake townslip that I wasn't reading your posts.

At the time you planted your fake posts, Fox was very much alive.

I wasn't reaction testing you with those fake posts. I was trying to get you to townread me.

Great strategy yes.

Indeed, I am well known for falling for people who blatantly tell lies in front of me. It's my weakness. It has cost both my wallet and my heart, several times.

Unfortunately you aren't my type. You don't have the figure or the lips to back it up.

[Fluminator]

Hey it worked! You did townread me after that.

[Jamiet99uk]

Seriously what kind of dumbfuck strategy is that?

- I am town.
- For some reason I desire Jamiet to townread me.
- How can I win him over?
- I know! With LIES!

[Fluminator]

I really hope you're scum and Balki is town. If Balki is scum as well we're probably screwed.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm town.

[bozotheclown]

##vote kgray

sorry kgray, xorx deserved to be lynched before you.

What the f*^% is this?!

See this!! This is why I wanted to know. Now I have to worry if Scum!Flum is baiting me or if town!Flum is helping. It’s NOT USEFUL.

Ok. I’m staying on no-lynch and will think about what to do if that doesn’t ride. I’ll probably stay with my gut on kgray, but this is scummy as hell from Flum.

Xorxes is lazy as hell too, and that’s not good.

If we no lynch we will probably be back at the same point D7 with one less town to vote.

However, if we are spread out among 3 wagons, that will make it easier for scum to win at EOD.