M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Fluminator]

damo666 (3) kgray Jamiet99uk Balki Bartokomous
kgray (2) bozotheclown damo666
No‑Lynch (2) BunnyGo Fluminator
Fluminator (1) xorxes

4 hours until eod.

[Fluminator]

##vote kgray

sorry kgray, xorx deserved to be lynched before you.

[kgray]

Can everyone read Xorx today and tell me that he seems like a confused townie trying to figure this game out?

Just take a briefest skim through other games and see the difference.

If he is town, then no scum all game has pushed him once when there was ample opportunity, and this is a guy with THE best reputation on site.

I recognize the hypocrisy since I was a loud defender of Xorx day 4 and I don't look good during it, but people should reread that specifically to get a read on Xorx. That does not look like a TvTvTvT eod. It looks like a TvTvTvS eod with no scum interested in that 4th wagon.

Yeah, I reread xorxes and specifically D4 knowing that all the people who pushed him then were town. I didn't really come up with anything enlightening, though. I agree with a lot of what he posts, but I know that doesn't make him town.

I do think it's suspicious that no scum voted for him. And while I didn't think the reasons people gave for pushing him seemed genuine at the time, I now know that they were honest reads.

And I do think you're right. He does not seem confused, or like he's trying to figure anything out. He could definitely be scum.

[xorxes]

Yes, my plan was to fake being watcher for him, and then get nightkilled for an easy watch by Jamiet.

Yes, that's what you said at the time, but why did you reveal it? It looks like you were testing whether Jamie was the watcher or not.

[kgray]

@Kgray @Balki
I don't know if either of you are town, but I think there's reasonable enough odds one of you is.

All 3 of us were on "Lynching out of Rdr/Fox/Emc only" for a couple days. While I still think it was the best move with the information we had it's become clear this ideology was partly scum driven. I know scum blended in with my posts pushing it and if you're town they blended with you as well.

I don't understand voting Damo at this juncture. It should be out of one of the people who objectively have been pushing the town the wrong direction so far.

I see what you're saying, but last time I thought we should choose between people in a certain group because they were "objectively pushing town the wrong direction" they were all town. So it's really hard for me to decide who those people are.

[Fluminator]

Well he obviously wasn't watcher since his hard-on for EMC ended up having no basis.

[kgray]

*by bunny lol

I was trying to make a team. We need 3! Lynches. It does me no good to solve one. I need to think combined. It’s really not that strange to say “assume we get one, what follows”

But if you assume the wrong one first (eg me) you won't get another chance. So looking at others (xorxes) from that first assumption makes no sense.

[xorxes]

Can everyone read Xorx today and tell me that he seems like a confused townie trying to figure this game out?

Just take a briefest skim through other games and see the difference.

If he is town, then no scum all game has pushed him once when there was ample opportunity, and this is a guy with THE best reputation on site.

I recognize the hypocrisy since I was a loud defender of Xorx day 4 and I don't look good during it, but people should reread that specifically to get a read on Xorx. That does not look like a TvTvTvT eod. It looks like a TvTvTvS eod with no scum interested in that 4th wagon.

Yeah, I reread xorxes and specifically D4 knowing that all the people who pushed him then were town. I didn't really come up with anything enlightening, though. I agree with a lot of what he posts, but I know that doesn't make him town.

I do think it's suspicious that no scum voted for him. And while I didn't think the reasons people gave for pushing him seemed genuine at the time, I now know that they were honest reads.

And I do think you're right. He does not seem confused, or like he's trying to figure anything out. He could definitely be scum.

There's no need to say "oh how confused I am" to show when I'm confused. People who make a point of letting everyone know how confused they are after a flip are more likely to be scum.

I don't have the game solved, no, and anyone who claims they do is probably scum.

[kgray]

##vote kgray

sorry kgray, xorx deserved to be lynched before you.

I don't understand this.

[xorxes]

Well he obviously wasn't watcher since his hard-on for EMC ended up having no basis.

He could have been watcher still with no info on emc. What I thought at the time was that you were the watcher trying to make it seem like you were not. Otherwise I don't get why you were trying to sort the watcher unless you're scum.

[kgray]

Can everyone read Xorx today and tell me that he seems like a confused townie trying to figure this game out?

Just take a briefest skim through other games and see the difference.

If he is town, then no scum all game has pushed him once when there was ample opportunity, and this is a guy with THE best reputation on site.

I recognize the hypocrisy since I was a loud defender of Xorx day 4 and I don't look good during it, but people should reread that specifically to get a read on Xorx. That does not look like a TvTvTvT eod. It looks like a TvTvTvS eod with no scum interested in that 4th wagon.

Yeah, I reread xorxes and specifically D4 knowing that all the people who pushed him then were town. I didn't really come up with anything enlightening, though. I agree with a lot of what he posts, but I know that doesn't make him town.

I do think it's suspicious that no scum voted for him. And while I didn't think the reasons people gave for pushing him seemed genuine at the time, I now know that they were honest reads.

And I do think you're right. He does not seem confused, or like he's trying to figure anything out. He could definitely be scum.

There's no need to say "oh how confused I am" to show when I'm confused. People who make a point of letting everyone know how confused they are after a flip are more likely to be scum.

I don't have the game solved, no, and anyone who claims they do is probably scum.

Yes, I realize that you don't need to explicitly state how confused you are in order to not have the game figured out. But knowing that everyone pushing your lynch for you "not solving" was town is relevant. It means they honestly thought you were scum who was not trying to solve the game. I guess I can see where they're coming from.

[kgray]

It is way too late in my day to try to decipher bunny vs. kgray
I'll do that tomorrow morning.

Did you ever look into this, Flum?

[Fluminator]

Can everyone read Xorx today and tell me that he seems like a confused townie trying to figure this game out?

Just take a briefest skim through other games and see the difference.

If he is town, then no scum all game has pushed him once when there was ample opportunity, and this is a guy with THE best reputation on site.

I recognize the hypocrisy since I was a loud defender of Xorx day 4 and I don't look good during it, but people should reread that specifically to get a read on Xorx. That does not look like a TvTvTvT eod. It looks like a TvTvTvS eod with no scum interested in that 4th wagon.

Yeah, I reread xorxes and specifically D4 knowing that all the people who pushed him then were town. I didn't really come up with anything enlightening, though. I agree with a lot of what he posts, but I know that doesn't make him town.

I do think it's suspicious that no scum voted for him. And while I didn't think the reasons people gave for pushing him seemed genuine at the time, I now know that they were honest reads.

And I do think you're right. He does not seem confused, or like he's trying to figure anything out. He could definitely be scum.

There's no need to say "oh how confused I am" to show when I'm confused. People who make a point of letting everyone know how confused they are after a flip are more likely to be scum.

I don't have the game solved, no, and anyone who claims they do is probably scum.

No one says "I'm confused" It often shows in their posts based on the questions they ask or observations they make.

It is way too late in my day to try to decipher bunny vs. kgray
I'll do that tomorrow morning.

Did you ever look into this, Flum?

Yes, your frustration definitely felt legit. It could be townie annoyance. It could be scum upset at being caught for the wrong reasons.
You haven't really done anything too wrong, but there's enough towntells on Damo and Jamiet that you're pretty much the last EMC voter left. It's process of elimination. I don't see too many scum teams that you're not on anymore :/

[Fluminator]

Well he obviously wasn't watcher since his hard-on for EMC ended up having no basis.

He could have been watcher still with no info on emc. What I thought at the time was that you were the watcher trying to make it seem like you were not. Otherwise I don't get why you were trying to sort the watcher unless you're scum.

I wasn't looking. Jamiet was saying things like "Flum you should notice this" "Flum would be more likely to notice this if he was scum" (because scum hunt for PRs) on top of saying he was certain EMC was scum and that he was probably patient zero. (The role most likely to be caught).

[kgray]

Yes, your frustration definitely felt legit. It could be townie annoyance. It could be scum upset at being caught for the wrong reasons.
You haven't really done anything too wrong, but there's enough towntells on Damo and Jamiet that you're pretty much the last EMC voter left. It's process of elimination. I don't see too many scum teams that you're not on anymore :/

I'm not asking about my frustration. I'm asking about the way Bunny either ignores or twists what I say to make his case. You think his scumread of me is genuine?

[xorxes]

Well he obviously wasn't watcher since his hard-on for EMC ended up having no basis.

He could have been watcher still with no info on emc. What I thought at the time was that you were the watcher trying to make it seem like you were not. Otherwise I don't get why you were trying to sort the watcher unless you're scum.

I wasn't looking. Jamiet was saying things like "Flum you should notice this" "Flum would be more likely to notice this if he was scum" (because scum hunt for PRs) on top of saying he was certain EMC was scum and that he was probably patient zero. (The role most likely to be caught).

Yes, yes, yes, I get all that. But why bring it up after you figured out that was not the case? Once you realized that's not what he was doing, why did you need to acertain that he was not the watcher?

[Jamiet99uk]

Well he obviously wasn't watcher since his hard-on for EMC ended up having no basis.

He could have been watcher still with no info on emc. What I thought at the time was that you were the watcher trying to make it seem like you were not. Otherwise I don't get why you were trying to sort the watcher unless you're scum.

I wasn't looking. Jamiet was saying things like "Flum you should notice this" "Flum would be more likely to notice this if he was scum" (because scum hunt for PRs) on top of saying he was certain EMC was scum and that he was probably patient zero. (The role most likely to be caught).

Why are you constantly mis-representing, mis-reading, or claiming not to notice things I have said?

Please quote one post, just one, where I said I thought EMC was Patient Zero. I stated that I scumread him. At no point whatsoever did I say I thought he was patient zero.

Why are you still doing this?

[Fluminator]

Yes, your frustration definitely felt legit. It could be townie annoyance. It could be scum upset at being caught for the wrong reasons.
You haven't really done anything too wrong, but there's enough towntells on Damo and Jamiet that you're pretty much the last EMC voter left. It's process of elimination. I don't see too many scum teams that you're not on anymore :/

I'm not asking about my frustration. I'm asking about the way Bunny either ignores or twists what I say to make his case. You think his scumread of me is genuine?

Bunny is probably town and I think his scumread is genuine. I don't agree with all his "this post is weird" points, but when you're tunneling someone you read everything under the assumption they are scum, and things will twist to fit that.
His main case is that you've been asking too many questions to look busy, and then going along with the majority viewpoint which I can see.

It's not that being super logical and well organized is scummy. That's a much better way to play than flailing around no explanations. It's just that I haven't seen any thoughts resulting from that, that wouldn't be hard to fake as scum. It's almost guaranteed some scum faked concluding Fox/Rdr is scum, and yours and Xorx seem like strong possibilities.

He could have been watcher still with no info on emc. What I thought at the time was that you were the watcher trying to make it seem like you were not. Otherwise I don't get why you were trying to sort the watcher unless you're scum.

I wasn't looking. Jamiet was saying things like "Flum you should notice this" "Flum would be more likely to notice this if he was scum" (because scum hunt for PRs) on top of saying he was certain EMC was scum and that he was probably patient zero. (The role most likely to be caught).

Yes, yes, yes, I get all that. But why bring it up after you figured out that was not the case? Once you realized that's not what he was doing, why did you need to acertain that he was not the watcher?

Because I was upset at him and I thought he might have been scum faking watcher crumbs.

[Fluminator]

Cop is dead. Godfather irrelevant
If killer dies the other mafia gain the kill

I assume Damo mean the Mafia cop, i.e Patient Zero, who is not dead.

When Damo said EMC was probably more important scum role, you agreed and later said you assumed he meant Patient Zero

[damo666]

If Bunny and Flum both think kgray is scum, why are they voting no-lynch?

Because I expect scum will only let us lynch town today. And will vote no-lynch if we’re on scum. So I want a policy no-lynch so that that manipulative “heads you lose-tails I win” play the scum can make isn’t there.

The strongest reason to lynch today is the point that we have bozo today. It’s an extra town. And it’s currently one I feel like backing after the reread. I will shift to kgray if people don’t come to no-lynch soon. I also am on kids all day, so will be on sporadically.

If there's a clear wagon and people switch to No Lynch wouldn't that be a bit obvious.

Anyone currently voting no lynch should unvote or vote someone.

if wagons are spread then those thinking no lynch can do it then