M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[xorxes]

Xorxes? I haven't reread him solo (only with you as teammate, and he doesn't look good if you're scum). I was just wondering if his current spat with Flum is T v T or not. Of the Balki/Xorxes/Flum triple my unread gut says if 1 of them is scum it is Balki or Xorxes.

The vecna thing was weird, I was mad at him and Flum for hammering. Somehow bozo came away cleaner there in my mind.

His start of the Bob wagon with rdr asking for help because the GMs would sub out a scum but not a town was lazy!xorxes. He's been lazy!xorxes all game, which is weird for him.

But for more in depth, I'd have to reread. Right now it is: if you are scum, he goes to the top of my list. If you are town, then I'd want to check his pairings with other EMC wagon (D3) voters, but he's a good candidate. Above Bozo for bussing, probably above Flum (haven't reread), and on par with Balki (haven't reread).

You realize the game would be over if we find out Kgray is town right?

Yes. This is true for all (modulo that small chance I explained before). Hence I am pushing for no-lynch and trying not to tunnel and look at all.

Do you think the info we get from the nightkill offsets the info scum will get from another PZ scan?

[BunnyGo]

If Bunny and Flum both think kgray is scum, why are they voting no-lynch?

Because I expect scum will only let us lynch town today. And will vote no-lynch if we’re on scum. So I want a policy no-lynch so that that manipulative “heads you lose-tails I win” play the scum can make isn’t there.

The strongest reason to lynch today is the point that we have bozo today. It’s an extra town. And it’s currently one I feel like backing after the reread. I will shift to kgray if people don’t come to no-lynch soon. I also am on kids all day, so will be on sporadically.

[BunnyGo]

You realize the game would be over if we find out Kgray is town right?

Yes. This is true for all (modulo that small chance I explained before). Hence I am pushing for no-lynch and trying not to tunnel and look at all.

Do you think the info we get from the nightkill offsets the info scum will get from another PZ scan?

I think PZ scan is small for them.

I think them being able to push no-lynch if we’re right and lynch if we’re wrong most disturbing. That’s why I wanted a solid decision before we started voting.

[BunnyGo]

Yes. This is true for all (modulo that small chance I explained before). Hence I am pushing for no-lynch and trying not to tunnel and look at all.

Do you think the info we get from the nightkill offsets the info scum will get from another PZ scan?

I think PZ scan is small for them.

I think them being able to push no-lynch if we’re right and lynch if we’re wrong most disturbing. That’s why I wanted a solid decision before we started voting.

I don’t have a large preference to mylo vs lylo (I’ve never survived to either before). But I hate having to solve and decide whether to lynch or not.

[xorxes]

There's 8 people dead and 7 people alive that PZ could have scanned already, so aprox 50% of their scans could be dead. They had 5 scans so far, which means they probably know the alignment of 2/3 people and don't know the alignment of 4/5. Giving them another scan is a considerable advantage.

[BunnyGo]

There's 8 people dead and 7 people alive that PZ could have scanned already, so aprox 50% of their scans could be dead. They had 5 scans so far, which means they probably know the alignment of 2/3 people and don't know the alignment of 4/5. Giving them another scan is a considerable advantage.

That’s the wrong math here. And you should know better. They just need 1 town scanned. That’s it.

Any scum scanned is a bonus. Any more town scanned is a bonus.

They don’t need to solve, they just need to screw us.

[BunnyGo]

There's 8 people dead and 7 people alive that PZ could have scanned already, so aprox 50% of their scans could be dead. They had 5 scans so far, which means they probably know the alignment of 2/3 people and don't know the alignment of 4/5. Giving them another scan is a considerable advantage.

That’s the wrong math here. And you should know better. They just need 1 town scanned. That’s it.

Any scum scanned is a bonus. Any more town scanned is a bonus.

They don’t need to solve, they just need to screw us.

Lazy!Xorxes strikes again. I’m really not liking this.

[Fluminator]

You realize the game would be over if we find out Kgray is town right?

What?

Why would it be?

Because it would be game over.
It was kind of an odd statement my bunny

[BunnyGo]

You realize the game would be over if we find out Kgray is town right?

What?

Why would it be?

Because it would be game over.
It was kind of an odd statement my bunny

That’s Jamie...are you seeing other Bunny’s on the side!?

[Fluminator]

Xorxes? I haven't reread him solo (only with you as teammate, and he doesn't look good if you're scum). I was just wondering if his current spat with Flum is T v T or not. Of the Balki/Xorxes/Flum triple my unread gut says if 1 of them is scum it is Balki or Xorxes.

The vecna thing was weird, I was mad at him and Flum for hammering. Somehow bozo came away cleaner there in my mind.

His start of the Bob wagon with rdr asking for help because the GMs would sub out a scum but not a town was lazy!xorxes. He's been lazy!xorxes all game, which is weird for him.

But for more in depth, I'd have to reread. Right now it is: if you are scum, he goes to the top of my list. If you are town, then I'd want to check his pairings with other EMC wagon (D3) voters, but he's a good candidate. Above Bozo for bussing, probably above Flum (haven't reread), and on par with Balki (haven't reread).

You realize the game would be over if we find out Kgray is town right?

This post smacks of kgray Flum scumpair.
Problem is identifying PZ in that case, Jamie or Balki I guess.

You should probably give your reasons soon if we're lynching today.

[Fluminator]

*by bunny lol

[Fluminator]

Fwiw, every other mafia site no lynches at mylo unless there's a confirmed town.

[xorxes]

There's 8 people dead and 7 people alive that PZ could have scanned already, so aprox 50% of their scans could be dead. They had 5 scans so far, which means they probably know the alignment of 2/3 people and don't know the alignment of 4/5. Giving them another scan is a considerable advantage.

That’s the wrong math here. And you should know better. They just need 1 town scanned. That’s it.

Any scum scanned is a bonus. Any more town scanned is a bonus.

They don’t need to solve, they just need to screw us.

No, that only works if the townie they scanned is under pressure. It's no use to them to have scanned someone that doesn't have a chance of getting lynched.

[BunnyGo]

*by bunny lol

I was trying to make a team. We need 3! Lynches. It does me no good to solve one. I need to think combined. It’s really not that strange to say “assume we get one, what follows”

[BunnyGo]

There's 8 people dead and 7 people alive that PZ could have scanned already, so aprox 50% of their scans could be dead. They had 5 scans so far, which means they probably know the alignment of 2/3 people and don't know the alignment of 4/5. Giving them another scan is a considerable advantage.

That’s the wrong math here. And you should know better. They just need 1 town scanned. That’s it.

Any scum scanned is a bonus. Any more town scanned is a bonus.

They don’t need to solve, they just need to screw us.

No, that only works if the townie they scanned is under pressure. It's no use to them to have scanned someone that doesn't have a chance of getting lynched.

Pishtaw! Any of us could be under pressure with some pushing.

[xorxes]

Fwiw, every other mafia site no lynches at mylo unless there's a confirmed town.

Doesn't it also depend on things like what power roles still exist?

[Fluminator]

Ok Xorx. Assume we're lynching today.
Can you actually now scumhunt instead of argue in favour of lynching?

[kgray]

@bozo, yeah I get that defending myself is NAI. But no one else is going to do it, so a few comments:

• I didn't have a strong preference of Vecna vs. any of the other lurkers. I didn't have strong reads at all at that point, which is why I hadn't mentioned any scumreads.

• I didn't develop scumreads of rdr and Fox just because others were pushing them. I did that because we had new information. I'm not saying that no one influenced my reads, but when I reread day 3 knowing that bob was scum, I found new people I thought were likely to be scum. I changed my read of Chaqa based on that same information.

• Besides D3, which votes of mine are consistent with not bussing my teammates? Worcej, bo, Fox, rdr were counter wagons to who I voted for, and they were all town. I don't know if xorxes is scum. Do you know that he is? I've consistently voted for who I thought has been scum. I've just been wrong.

[xorxes]

Ok Xorx. Assume we're lynching today.
Can you actually now scumhunt instead of argue in favour of lynching?

I'm doing that.

Did you really believe Jamie was crumbing watcher or was that a fake?

[Fluminator]

Yes, my plan was to fake being watcher for him, and then get nightkilled for an easy watch by Jamiet.