M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Fluminator]

Bozo, have you had a chance to reread?
It seems like your main reason for townreading Xorx is the Bob vote, do you have any other reasons?

[Fluminator]

##Vote No lynch

[Fluminator]

@Bunny, I'm rereading xorxes now. Before I post my thoughts, can you tell me your current opinion of him?

Xorxes? I haven't reread him solo (only with you as teammate, and he doesn't look good if you're scum). I was just wondering if his current spat with Flum is T v T or not. Of the Balki/Xorxes/Flum triple my unread gut says if 1 of them is scum it is Balki or Xorxes.

The vecna thing was weird, I was mad at him and Flum for hammering. Somehow bozo came away cleaner there in my mind.

His start of the Bob wagon with rdr asking for help because the GMs would sub out a scum but not a town was lazy!xorxes. He's been lazy!xorxes all game, which is weird for him.

But for more in depth, I'd have to reread. Right now it is: if you are scum, he goes to the top of my list. If you are town, then I'd want to check his pairings with other EMC wagon (D3) voters, but he's a good candidate. Above Bozo for bussing, probably above Flum (haven't reread), and on par with Balki (haven't reread).

You realize the game would be over if we find out Kgray is town right?

[bozotheclown]

kgray has put in a lot of effort defending herself, but I consider that NAI. kgray is obviously a good player, no matter how inexperienced she is.

I am going to review kgray's game again and explain why she is my best guess for scum.

Day 1, kgray got off to a good start. I liked how she pushed Balki on his misinterpretation of the word "coast" and pushed BunnyGo for his reaction to Balki's "claim". I had some of the same questions about the Balki/BunnyGo interaction. kgray was an early Temasek voter for his discrepancy in town reads, and never changed her vote. kgray was one of my top town reads D1.

Day 2, kgray kept pushing people, voted for Vecna for lurking, and I do not believe she was online when Vecna was hammered.

Night 2, kgray only posted one time.

Before talking about Day 3, I want to point out that kgray did not indicate any scum reads D1 or D2 except for Temasek D1. She indicated she voted for Vecna D2 for lurking, which could count as a scum read, but she did not seem to express a strong opinion:

If we're going to lynch a lurker, I'll ##vote Vecna.

She had almost no interactions with emc and sulit/Bob and did not seem to suspect Chaqa.

Day 3, kgray gradually developed scum reads of Chaqa and emc, but after they were already wagons:

Vote count: emc 3, Chaqa 2, xorxes 2:

I was beginning to sway off Vecna until he made his last 10 games claim. Bold faced lie made me decide he had to be scum thinking no one would call him on it. Nope, he’s just bad

I explained I made the change after he flat out lied about “look at the last 10 games I played” bit

I don't like how Chaqa is doubling down on this reason for his end vote when his last post before ending was:

I'm being annoyed by Vecna's attitude on this.

Flum, if you want to hammer, I guess I'll join, mainly to just get the information about this whole situation.

I get why town-Chaqa would be annoyed at Vecna's attitude, and I get why town-Chaqa would think that Vecna "lying" about his past games is scummy. But if Chaqa was so convinced about Vecna's lies being scum-indicative, and that's what made him decide to end the day, why does he say "I guess I'll join" as if he's reluctant to do so? He'd already "caught" Vecna lying at that point. And if he is reluctant, then why go through with the end vote? This post really makes it seem like he's trying to shift the responsibility towards Flum and away from himself. And finally, Chaqa literally states the main reason for his end vote is to get information. This directly contradicts his later statements.

@Chaqa, what information were you hoping to get? Did you get it? Can you explain why you changed your main reason for voting end from "getting info" to "Vecna lied"?

Vote count: emc 3, Chaqa 2, xorxes 2, Pjandy 1:

As for a reason: This is kinda out there, so bare with me - but I think andy is intentionally lurking. If we didn't hammer the day, he would've violated posting requirements on D2. I think he has checked in and contributed, but most likely in the mafia QT and not posting during night because he doesn't have to.

Couldn't this also apply to emc?

Vote count: emc 4, Chaqa 2, xorxes 2, Pjandy 1:

@kgray,

I'd like you to push yourself to put some current reads in the thread. I just read your ISO. I see a lot of questioning, but not much in the way of sticking your neck out.

You were an early voter on Tem. And I thought your reasoning sounded plausible. But your play overall is coming across to me as timid and non-confrontational.

@Town, don't give kgray a free pass. I don't see much of a vector behind her questions. I feel like she's swimming in place a bit, which could suggest that she doesn't have a puzzle to solve.

Sure, I'll do some more rereading and write up a more detailed list with reasons tomorrow. For now, here's what I've got:

Towny:
Jamie
damo
bozo

Town-ish:
worcej
xorxes
Flum
Rdrivera
Balki

Scum-ish:
pjandy
BunnyGo
Foxcastle
bobmcbob

Scummy:
Chaqa
emc

Vote count: emc 4, xorxes 3, Chaqa 2, Bob 1:

Okay, I'm trying to coherently explain my thoughts on people and it's a slow process. I started with emc and Chaqa because I think they're most likely to be scum and they're both currently wagons. I'll keep working on this, but in the meantime if anyone wants me to specifically address another read, let me know.

emc
Of the remaining lurkers, I find emc the most suspicious. He started the game with a pretty open-seeming tone and was joking around a lot, which initially could read as towny. But after a while it seems like those posts were intended to make him look like he was participating, because the few game-related posts he did have didn’t seem like they were based on anything. He simultaneously admits that Tem could be using a strategy that emc used when he was scum, and that Tem seems “less solid” but still apparently townreads Tem because he doesn’t vote for him. Instead he votes for Flum because… xD? And, as others have mentioned, appears to have been around at the end of the day but didn’t try to make his vote count. He doesn’t mention anything about worcej being a townread until after the day ends. It all just seems like he was trying to avoid voting for the person who ends up being lynched. Since Tem was town and since I think worcej is town too, scum emc could very well be trying to distance himself from the town lynch. Then night 1 he has a few more joke posts, mentions that he thinks worcej is town (or patient zero), and subtly digs at Flum again without giving a reason. Then he disappears, and all we’ve heard since is a promise to return.

Chaqa
Chaqa spends day one making excuses for why we shouldn’t read into his vote. He casts suspicion on xorxes and rdr but won’t vote for either of them. Calls day one a crapshoot and the votes arbitrary. Uses some “policy” to justify voting for emc. Has three posts brushing off Tem’s actions as not necessarily scummy. Votes for bozo, which he later claims was determined randomly. Near the end of the day, he says he doesn’t like the idea of lynching worcej day one and finally votes Tem. Not wanting to lynch worcej is a significant detour from his “anyone but me on day 1” outlook. He later says worcej is one of the few people he felt good about day 1. No indication of who else he felt good about, and why he felt confident in worcej day one despite his assertion that day one is useless. I get the feeling that Chaqa is protecting worcej and it doesn’t seem organic to me because of Chaqa’s insistence that day one doesn’t mean anything. So I think he has ulterior motives. I think that worcej is town, but if I’m wrong then I think Chaqa is very likely scum. If worcej is town, I could see a situation where Chaqa knows that worcej is town and is defending him either to make worcej feel more positively towards Chaqa or to get credit for defending town if worcej does get lynched. Since worcej was the second-largest wagon day 1, maybe Chaqa was counting on being able to defend worcej while worcej still got lynched so that Chaqa would look more towny.

The hammering of Vecna has been discussed a lot, but I think chaqa comes out of that looking very suspicious. I’ve pointed out the inconsistencies in his reasons for his end vote, and he shrugged that off. I think what bothers me as much as the inconsistencies is the fact that he tried so hard to make himself seem hesitant to end, and then was the deciding vote after all. It seems similar to what I think happened day one, where he wants to put plenty of “evidence” in the thread about why we shouldn't read into his vote. After all, he didn’t really want to end the day early, remember? He said so many times that it was a bad idea. But, most suspect to me is his attempt to shift the blame to Flum. Both days it seems like Chaqa is trying not to take responsibility for his votes.

I’m going to ##vote Chaqa.

2 hours before EOD, when Bob was one of the top wagons, she added a scum read of Bob:

I liked what Bunny did earlier with analyzing the wagons. Here's my take on the current wagons with more than one vote:

e.m.c^42(4): Fluminator, Jamiet99uk, bozotheclown, damo666
This wagon is very towny. Flum is the only one of them I wouldn't call a townread, but I don't think he's scummy. And I think emc is scummy. Although, he has just shown up so I will obviously take what he says now into consideration.

Chaqa(3): Foxcastle, kgray, BobMcBob
Chaqa is my strongest scumread, but I don't get good vibes from either Fox or Bob. This makes me a little uncomfortable voting with them...

BobMcBob(2): xorxes, rdrivera2005
I think xorxes and rdr are both towny, and I am leaning scum on Bob. But I'm not as confident in any of these reads so it's not enough for me to change my vote.

At EOD, with the vote Bob 5, emc 4, Chaqa 3, she moved her vote to emc to try to tie the vote (she said she did not see Foxcastle's vote change).

kgray's D3 looks very scum indicative, she joined in on scum reads of 2 town that were up for lynch, she increased the strength of those scum reads as they looked more likely to be the top lynch candidates, she also scum read the one scum wagon that developed, but hedged her read enough so the scum wagon was her third choice, and she tried to get either of the town lynched over the scum.

Day 4, kgray again developed 2 new scum reads on 2 town being pushed by others:

At this point, I think Fox or rdr are the best lynch options for today, and for now I'll go with ##vote rdr

Day 5, kgray was still scum reading Foxcastle and rdrivera, but voted for Foxcastle instead of rdrivera like she did on D4.

I know kgray talked about bussing and presented reasons why scum might have been busing at certain times, but her voting this game is consistent with a scum who is avoiding bussing her teammates.

[Fluminator]

Can everyone read Xorx today and tell me that he seems like a confused townie trying to figure this game out?

Just take a briefest skim through other games and see the difference.

If he is town, then no scum all game has pushed him once when there was ample opportunity, and this is a guy with THE best reputation on site.

I recognize the hypocrisy since I was a loud defender of Xorx day 4 and I don't look good during it, but people should reread that specifically to get a read on Xorx. That does not look like a TvTvTvT eod. It looks like a TvTvTvS eod with no scum interested in that 4th wagon.

[Fluminator]

It is way too late in my day to try to decipher bunny vs. kgray
I'll do that tomorrow morning.

[bozotheclown]

Bozo, have you had a chance to reread?
It seems like your main reason for townreading Xorx is the Bob vote, do you have any other reasons?

I have done a lot of rereading.

There was nothing else specific on xorxes, other than he did not do anything I found particularly suspicious and he seemed to be questioning things I would expect from town. I thought he was zeroing in too much on rdrivera, but it is not uncommon for him to strongly push his top scum read as town.

[Fluminator]

@Kgray @Balki
I don't know if either of you are town, but I think there's reasonable enough odds one of you is.

All 3 of us were on "Lynching out of Rdr/Fox/Emc only" for a couple days. While I still think it was the best move with the information we had it's become clear this ideology was partly scum driven. I know scum blended in with my posts pushing it and if you're town they blended with you as well.

I don't understand voting Damo at this juncture. It should be out of one of the people who objectively have been pushing the town the wrong direction so far.

[Fluminator]

Bozo, have you had a chance to reread?
It seems like your main reason for townreading Xorx is the Bob vote, do you have any other reasons?

I have done a lot of rereading.

There was nothing else specific on xorxes, other than he did not do anything I found particularly suspicious and he seemed to be questioning things I would expect from town. I thought he was zeroing in too much on rdrivera, but it is not uncommon for him to strongly push his top scum read as town.

You said earlier you usually don't notice a difference between scum xorx and town xorx so it's probably not a good reason to townread him.
The wagon analysis looks really bad for him in light of recent flips, and there is the fact he's been super wrong all game. That is suspicious for Xorx.

[Fluminator]

It feels like Xorx doesn't even care he's been wrong all game today!

[bozotheclown]

Balki is my other guess for the primary scum team. I find Balki's refusal to consider that scum was bussing Bob D3 suspicious, especially considering the inactivity of sulit/Bob, and considering that I have seen Balki bus a scum teammate in a similar situation in M46.

Also, Foxcastle's case on Balki made some good points, especially the similarities Foxcastle pointed out to Balki's read of Foxcastle from M46:

Fox, why do you think Balki is trying to mislynch you specifically?

Maybe he thinks I'm an easy victim, or he saw that not a lot of people put me in their town reads for Bozo's survey, or whatever. I do think it's true that my baseline meta is pretty much never obv-town. So I think it's opportunistic.

Let us return to Flum’s question, because I was deliberately somewhat incomplete in answering it. I think Balki is trying to mislynch me specifically because it’s a playbook he’s familiar with. It’s possible that he saw that I wasn’t strongly townread, it’s possible that it was an opportunity that arose organically for him, because it’s true my baseline meta is not obv-town.

But everything he’s doing now to get me mislynched is what he’s done as scum in previous games. The language is even weirdly the same.

The block of quotes below is from M46, where he was scum (killed N3 by third party, whom he had been impersonating), and I was town. I was possibly up for the mislynch on D2 before a PR limited the lynch to two other players. You can read his ISO from that game here. One thing I have not included is his early shading and scumleans on me, but it follows the very same pattern he’s using here: dropping little posts of concern, saying he needs to look into me, basically seeding the idea that I’m scum well before he actually comes after me; that is on the edge of NAI, since town can also ‘have concerns’ that evolve into a real scumread, but when you see his m46 scum game and this game side-by-side, it’s too similar.

##vote Foxcastle

That's where my head is right now. Though, I am not at all confident. And I have not ISOed Fox, and I need to do that. But here are the impressions in my mind:

Fox has been sitting back, cracking jokes all the time, super chill. He has sprinkled in comments. He's been around. But he has not been taking stands. Most of his reads have been about gathering information or enforcing policies. He has not taken a stand on anything likely to get pushback. He has not made any scumread on an experienced player who would put him in the spotlight.

He's playing to avoid confrontation.

I made a similar read on him for similar reasons the last time we played together, and I was right at that time. I feel like he may be scum again here.

Though, the game I have in mind in which Fox was scum, I found that he avoided conflict (especially conflict with me) , so tell me the game you have in mind where the meta is different.

And if you really have a Town read on Foxy, make me understand why. If you’re Town, I want to work with you. I’ll take the time to think about this if you work to make yourself understood.

I highlighted some of the phrases and sentiments that are important for comparison with what he’s said this game...

But, putting that aside, I think you're scum. I feel like I always think you're scum for the same reason, but you also happen to have drawn scum for, it seems like, all of my recent games here. I think you're scum because you're avoiding confrontation and generally avoiding me. You're not leading. You're not passionate. You're not moving the action. You're just blandly commenting, keeping me in your town reads (with a little wiggle room for later).

You're playing like Scum!Fox.

I don't think that Town!Fox would ever say that I am his strongest town read, in a game in which I have not lead a lynch on known scum.

Does that make sense?

My impression is that Fox thinks I'm a strong player. And I've noticed that he stays away from me in games where I am town and he's scum. He does not confront me. That's what I've seen here.

I expect the paranoia from him. And I expect it to manifest itself in him questioning things that I am doing. Here, he has just stayed away. And he oddly called me his strongest town read. I don't believe it.

No, but I’ve played with you several times, and I’ve definitely observed a pattern where you avoid confrontation (with me in particular) as scum, and it fits the model I would expect to see generally.

In the case of Fox, it’s more than that. It’s that he called me his top town read, and it’s his general lack of confrontation and conviction all game.

Foxy is non confrontational and I don't believe him when he said I was his highest town read.

Even here, I can't say I'm really sure that Fox is scum. But I wrote that because I began to suspect Fox as scum yesterday based on his nonconfrontationalism, and his vote off the scumlynch wagon near EOD is exactly what we would expect from ScumFox (assuming EMC is Town, which I suppose I am mentally doing right now, but could still be wrong).

If you're town, you're going to have to do some serious work to convince me. But you've got time. Go catch scum.

Below is me in M46 recapping (to Durga) how pernicious this tactic is, which is probably why Balki keeps going back to it. This is me trying to wipe off Balki’s false read of me three game days after he was lynched. (And sure, I was not the towniest player that game, but still.)

If I'm your top scumread, then town will follow you to our doom. I don't know what would change your mind. I pushed back against the Balki Special (i.e., "Foxcastle's play is vague and non-commital, present with being engaged, blah blah blah") since he started pushing it and you echoed him. But it's hard to push back against a phantom read constructed of smoke and balkifart.

Some additional notes:

Balki often refers to the game he “caught” me, whereby he learned about my apparent scum meta that he’s hung his hat on here. That was M1006, and maybe he does remember it that way (people do reflect and learn, which colors their memory), but it doesn’t show up in his ISO of that game. I think it was a convenient cover story for his M46 push on me that has carried through to this game. (The whole idea that confrontation with him is an indicator of anything doesn't appear in any of his other games or applied to any other player, that I could find.)

Of four games together (prior to this one), Balki and I have been on opposite teams 3 times and been town together just once (and never scum together). Balki as scum versus me as town in M34 (I was still a newbie) and M46, and Balki as town versus me as scum in M1006, and town together in M36. Whenever we have been on opposite teams, we have butted heads hard (although, to be fair, the time we were town together was not a love-fest either). If you look at town-Balki’s games when I’m scum, he catches me in very different ways than he’s pursuing here; if you look at town-Balki’s games when I am town, we still tend to go at it, but his tone and approach are much different. I think this is a good sign that Balki and I are on opposite teams this game, so if he does manage to see me mislynched, lynch him next.


There is no reasonable explanation for why town-Balki this game would so closely mimic scum-Balki from M46, down to the phrase. I don’t know if it’s conscious or not, but it’s a pretty clearly scummy. His game here does not reflect his town games in the past, and I think it’s clear that he and I are not the same alignment. He is scum.

A kgray/Balki primary scum team also makes sense, since these were Balki's scum reads D4 when he was arguing to lynch emc voters:

@Balki: Why have you not voted yet? Are you not sure who you scumread today?

My ranking, right now, is, scum to town:

Scum
Fox
rdrivera
Damo
kgray
Chaqa
Jamiet
EMC
xorx
Bozo
Flum
Bunny
Town

I'll vote in plenty of time. I don't feel any particular need to vote right this moment. I am still quite interested to see what rocks everyone decides to turn over today.

That put kgray fourth, when scum needed 3 mislynches to win.

kgray also followed Balki's scum reads of Foxcastle and rdrivera D4 and D5.

[bozotheclown]

Bozo, have you had a chance to reread?
It seems like your main reason for townreading Xorx is the Bob vote, do you have any other reasons?

I have done a lot of rereading.

There was nothing else specific on xorxes, other than he did not do anything I found particularly suspicious and he seemed to be questioning things I would expect from town. I thought he was zeroing in too much on rdrivera, but it is not uncommon for him to strongly push his top scum read as town.

You said earlier you usually don't notice a difference between scum xorx and town xorx so it's probably not a good reason to townread him.
The wagon analysis looks really bad for him in light of recent flips, and there is the fact he's been super wrong all game. That is suspicious for Xorx.

xorxes has fooled me as scum before, but I think xorxes is the least likely Bob busser, since I have never seen him bus like that as scum. Maybe xorxes is patient zero and Foxcastle was correct about a scum team of xorxes, Balki, and kgray.

[damo666]

@Bunny, I'm rereading xorxes now. Before I post my thoughts, can you tell me your current opinion of him?

Xorxes? I haven't reread him solo (only with you as teammate, and he doesn't look good if you're scum). I was just wondering if his current spat with Flum is T v T or not. Of the Balki/Xorxes/Flum triple my unread gut says if 1 of them is scum it is Balki or Xorxes.

The vecna thing was weird, I was mad at him and Flum for hammering. Somehow bozo came away cleaner there in my mind.

His start of the Bob wagon with rdr asking for help because the GMs would sub out a scum but not a town was lazy!xorxes. He's been lazy!xorxes all game, which is weird for him.

But for more in depth, I'd have to reread. Right now it is: if you are scum, he goes to the top of my list. If you are town, then I'd want to check his pairings with other EMC wagon (D3) voters, but he's a good candidate. Above Bozo for bussing, probably above Flum (haven't reread), and on par with Balki (haven't reread).

You realize the game would be over if we find out Kgray is town right?

This post smacks of kgray Flum scumpair.
Problem is identifying PZ in that case, Jamie or Balki I guess.

[Jamiet99uk]

You realize the game would be over if we find out Kgray is town right?

What?

Why would it be?

[Jamiet99uk]

I have a few pages to catch up but I'm hosting a webinar for the next three hours, and I'll do my best after that.

Why is the entire game solved if Kgray is town?

[xorxes]

I have a few pages to catch up but I'm hosting a webinar for the next three hours, and I'll do my best after that.

Why is the entire game solved if Kgray is town?

He said over, not solved. Because it's mylo.

[xorxes]

If Bunny and Flum both think kgray is scum, why are they voting no-lynch?

[xorxes]

@Flum, were you faking when you said you thought Jamie was the watcher? That made me think you were the watcher at the time.

[BunnyGo]

@Bunny, I'm rereading xorxes now. Before I post my thoughts, can you tell me your current opinion of him?

Xorxes? I haven't reread him solo (only with you as teammate, and he doesn't look good if you're scum). I was just wondering if his current spat with Flum is T v T or not. Of the Balki/Xorxes/Flum triple my unread gut says if 1 of them is scum it is Balki or Xorxes.

The vecna thing was weird, I was mad at him and Flum for hammering. Somehow bozo came away cleaner there in my mind.

His start of the Bob wagon with rdr asking for help because the GMs would sub out a scum but not a town was lazy!xorxes. He's been lazy!xorxes all game, which is weird for him.

But for more in depth, I'd have to reread. Right now it is: if you are scum, he goes to the top of my list. If you are town, then I'd want to check his pairings with other EMC wagon (D3) voters, but he's a good candidate. Above Bozo for bussing, probably above Flum (haven't reread), and on par with Balki (haven't reread).

You realize the game would be over if we find out Kgray is town right?

Yes. This is true for all (modulo that small chance I explained before). Hence I am pushing for no-lynch and trying not to tunnel and look at all.

[BunnyGo]

Balki is my other guess for the primary scum team. I find Balki's refusal to consider that scum was bussing Bob D3 suspicious, especially considering the inactivity of sulit/Bob, and considering that I have seen Balki bus a scum teammate in a similar situation in M46.

Also, Foxcastle's case on Balki made some good points, especially the similarities Foxcastle pointed out to Balki's read of Foxcastle from M46:

Maybe he thinks I'm an easy victim, or he saw that not a lot of people put me in their town reads for Bozo's survey, or whatever. I do think it's true that my baseline meta is pretty much never obv-town. So I think it's opportunistic.

Let us return to Flum’s question, because I was deliberately somewhat incomplete in answering it. I think Balki is trying to mislynch me specifically because it’s a playbook he’s familiar with. It’s possible that he saw that I wasn’t strongly townread, it’s possible that it was an opportunity that arose organically for him, because it’s true my baseline meta is not obv-town.

But everything he’s doing now to get me mislynched is what he’s done as scum in previous games. The language is even weirdly the same.

The block of quotes below is from M46, where he was scum (killed N3 by third party, whom he had been impersonating), and I was town. I was possibly up for the mislynch on D2 before a PR limited the lynch to two other players. You can read his ISO from that game here. One thing I have not included is his early shading and scumleans on me, but it follows the very same pattern he’s using here: dropping little posts of concern, saying he needs to look into me, basically seeding the idea that I’m scum well before he actually comes after me; that is on the edge of NAI, since town can also ‘have concerns’ that evolve into a real scumread, but when you see his m46 scum game and this game side-by-side, it’s too similar.

I highlighted some of the phrases and sentiments that are important for comparison with what he’s said this game...

Below is me in M46 recapping (to Durga) how pernicious this tactic is, which is probably why Balki keeps going back to it. This is me trying to wipe off Balki’s false read of me three game days after he was lynched. (And sure, I was not the towniest player that game, but still.)

If I'm your top scumread, then town will follow you to our doom. I don't know what would change your mind. I pushed back against the Balki Special (i.e., "Foxcastle's play is vague and non-commital, present with being engaged, blah blah blah") since he started pushing it and you echoed him. But it's hard to push back against a phantom read constructed of smoke and balkifart.

Some additional notes:

Balki often refers to the game he “caught” me, whereby he learned about my apparent scum meta that he’s hung his hat on here. That was M1006, and maybe he does remember it that way (people do reflect and learn, which colors their memory), but it doesn’t show up in his ISO of that game. I think it was a convenient cover story for his M46 push on me that has carried through to this game. (The whole idea that confrontation with him is an indicator of anything doesn't appear in any of his other games or applied to any other player, that I could find.)

Of four games together (prior to this one), Balki and I have been on opposite teams 3 times and been town together just once (and never scum together). Balki as scum versus me as town in M34 (I was still a newbie) and M46, and Balki as town versus me as scum in M1006, and town together in M36. Whenever we have been on opposite teams, we have butted heads hard (although, to be fair, the time we were town together was not a love-fest either). If you look at town-Balki’s games when I’m scum, he catches me in very different ways than he’s pursuing here; if you look at town-Balki’s games when I am town, we still tend to go at it, but his tone and approach are much different. I think this is a good sign that Balki and I are on opposite teams this game, so if he does manage to see me mislynched, lynch him next.


There is no reasonable explanation for why town-Balki this game would so closely mimic scum-Balki from M46, down to the phrase. I don’t know if it’s conscious or not, but it’s a pretty clearly scummy. His game here does not reflect his town games in the past, and I think it’s clear that he and I are not the same alignment. He is scum.

A kgray/Balki primary scum team also makes sense, since these were Balki's scum reads D4 when he was arguing to lynch emc voters:

@Balki: Why have you not voted yet? Are you not sure who you scumread today?

My ranking, right now, is, scum to town:

Scum
Fox
rdrivera
Damo
kgray
Chaqa
Jamiet
EMC
xorx
Bozo
Flum
Bunny
Town

I'll vote in plenty of time. I don't feel any particular need to vote right this moment. I am still quite interested to see what rocks everyone decides to turn over today.

That put kgray fourth, when scum needed 3 mislynches to win.

kgray also followed Balki's scum reads of Foxcastle and rdrivera D4 and D5.

An unfortunate thing of Fox watching Balki is that he wouldn’t see scum!Balki visited.