M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[bozotheclown]

We are not making any progress toward a consensus lynch. The scum are happy to see the votes spread out. We need to get a majority vote, preferably 7-1 or 6-2, well before EOD, or we should no lynch.

@bozo can we agree on one thing, should we target a bobvoter or an emcvoter?

Also would you care to rank each set in order of scumread.

In fact can everyone do this?

You are of course allowed to omit yourself.

Here's mine:

Bob: Bunny, Flum, Balki, Xorxes, Bozo

emc: kgray, Jamie

My best guess for scum is kgray, so I would have to say I prefer an emc voter. However, I still think BunnyGo could have been bussing Bob, although a kgray/BunnyGo primary scum team does not seem particularly likely with BunnyGo voting kgray D5.

scum to town:
Bob voters: BunnyGo, Balki, xorxes, Fluminator
emc voters: kgray, damo, Jamie

kgray/Balki makes sense, Balki was pushing emc voters who voted for Bob during D3 over those who never voted for Bob.

BunnyGo/damo or BunnyGo/Jamie are possible if BunnyGo was bussing Bob.

BunnyGo/Balki, BunnyGo/Fluminator, and Balki/Fluminator are all possible if the scum had agreed to bus Bob if he came under suspicion. I do not think xorxes is likely to have come out bussing Bob early D3, but I listed his before Fluminator because I think he is a better candidate for patient zero.

[kgray]

I think it most unlikely that both nonPZ scum were bussing Bob therefore either you or Bob MUST be scum.

If the scum team is, say, Xorxes, Flum and Balki well played them because we are sunk.

Most unlikely that both scum bussed bob does not mean that I or (you meant Jamie, I assume) MUST be scum. Just because something isn't likely, doesn't mean it's impossible.

And why do you think it's so unlikely that both nonPZ scum bussed bob anyway? Will you consider this post I made and tell me if you disagree with me?

[kgray]

@bozo can we agree on one thing, should we target a bobvoter or an emcvoter?

Also would you care to rank each set in order of scumread.

In fact can everyone do this?

You are of course allowed to omit yourself.

Here's mine:

Bob: Bunny, Flum, Balki, Xorxes, Bozo

emc: kgray, Jamie

Still doing my reread. Notes to come later. In the meantime I haven’t seen anything that convinces me we shouldn’t no-lynch.

Hey Damo, did you think and research your answers there or just pull it out of your a$$? Why are you voting Jamie?

Yes.

However since posting the above I've had a realisation about one of your posts which puts you 4th behind X

Would you care to share with the rest of the class?

[kgray]

Still rereading, but I think damo's refusal to give any reasons for his reads is scummier than anything else happening right now. ##vote damo until he explains literally any of his thoughts.

[Jamiet99uk]

##vote Flum

I love it when people explain their votes.

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE DAMO

[Fluminator]

People are still rereading so I don't think holding back your reasons this early in the days is necessarily scummy.

(I recognize the humour of me being the one to say this in defense of damo)

[Jamiet99uk]

People are still rereading so I don't think holding back your reasons this early in the days is necessarily scummy.

(I recognize the humour of me being the one to say this in defense of damo)

If Damo wants to wait until he finishes re-reading and *then* make a vote and explain it, that's fine.

Just saying "oh I have noticed something, but I am an enigmatic man of mystery, har har har" and making naked votes at this stage, is annoying and scummy.

[Fluminator]

Why didn't either of you find it bad he voted Jamiet with no reason given?
Am I being buddied rn

[kgray]

Why didn't either of you find it bad he voted Jamiet with no reason given?
Am I being buddied rn

I did find it bad. I've been consistently frustrated with damo's refusal to explain why he thinks what he thinks, and it's not just about voting without reasons. It's the way he makes these assumptions without explaining what lead him to his conclusions. He's been doing it all game. Recently it's the emc voters. He has refused to say why he thinks both nonPZ scum couldn't have voted for bob. If he's not thinking through these assumptions and challenging them, then he's not trying to solve the game, which implies he is scum who already knows people's alignments. And it's even more convenient for him that he has never given a reason for his reads, so he can just change them whenever doing so would help him with his scum agenda.

Like I said, I'm still rereading. If I can find towny reasons for damo's thought process, or if I decide someone else is scummier, I will of course change my vote. But we can't afford to mislynch here. If damo is town and has good reasons for his reads, now is the time to share them.

[xorxes]

Vecna, Andy, Bo, EMC were the bottom 4 posters day 1 so I hope they'll contribute a bit more tomorrow.

I don't think solit was super suspicious who was 5th last. I'm willing to draw the lurker line there for now lol.

I would count this explicit defending of sulit as towny if it came from someone other than Flum.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why didn't either of you find it bad he voted Jamiet with no reason given?
Am I being buddied rn

I literally am Jamiet, so of course I don't like him voting for me, and I did respond. I said "I am town Damo, but thanks for trying".

Is this another one of your fakes where you pretend not to see my posts?

You've now admitted you were lying about that earlier.

[xorxes]

Bob, I'll help you. Don't feel you have to read everything.

Just tell me what you think about Sulit your replacement.

You can often get a good read on new replacements asking them to read who they're replacing. You'd be surprised how often scum replacements view their predecessor as kind of scummy. (Which makes sense since they know they are)

You passed the test well enough I suppose.

Same for this.

[kgray]

Vecna, Andy, Bo, EMC were the bottom 4 posters day 1 so I hope they'll contribute a bit more tomorrow.

I don't think solit was super suspicious who was 5th last. I'm willing to draw the lurker line there for now lol.

I would count this explicit defending of sulit as towny if it came from someone other than Flum.

Why do you say this?

[xorxes]

I'm skeptical either EMC or Bob are scum, but if nothing changes in like 10 minutes I'll be voting Bob if that affects anyone's decision.

Ok, I don't want to cause a tie. Maybe I'll stay on Chaqa

When you said that the vote was:

Bob(6)
emc(5)
Chaqa(2)

You had anticipated that you would vote for Bob, so why would you say that you wanted to stay on Chaqa to prevent a tie?

[xorxes]

Vecna, Andy, Bo, EMC were the bottom 4 posters day 1 so I hope they'll contribute a bit more tomorrow.

I don't think solit was super suspicious who was 5th last. I'm willing to draw the lurker line there for now lol.

I would count this explicit defending of sulit as towny if it came from someone other than Flum.

Why do you say this?

Because Flum has been playing a very double and triple bluff game.

[Fluminator]

Why didn't either of you find it bad he voted Jamiet with no reason given?
Am I being buddied rn

I literally am Jamiet, so of course I don't like him voting for me, and I did respond. I said "I am town Damo, but thanks for trying".

Is this another one of your fakes where you pretend not to see my posts?

You've now admitted you were lying about that earlier.

I read that. Not quite the same reaction, but I'll keep it in mind.

[Fluminator]

I'm skeptical either EMC or Bob are scum, but if nothing changes in like 10 minutes I'll be voting Bob if that affects anyone's decision.

Ok, I don't want to cause a tie. Maybe I'll stay on Chaqa

When you said that the vote was:

Bob(6)
emc(5)
Chaqa(2)

You had anticipated that you would vote for Bob, so why would you say that you wanted to stay on Chaqa to prevent a tie?

People were posting a mile a minute. After Fox voted EMC I thought he might have been one vote ahead, but then I saw Balki voted Bob.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Here is my list:

Xorxes, BunnyGo, kgray, sulit.

Jamie, why am I on your list?

Damn it. I think Jamiet is town.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I am just about ready to town clear Jamiet based on on this exchange with sulit. Can smart people look at this and tell me if they agree? It is on pages 28 and 29.

Sulit engaged with very few people. He obviously knew he was mafia, and he found it amusing that someone gave him a town read so early, knowing that he had done nothing, and knowing that the read was wrong. So he called Jamiet out and asked for reasons.

This is subtle shade throwing. Sulit knew the read was wrong. He wanted Jamiet to elaborate on it. He wanted Jamiet essentially, to incriminate himself for explaining his [wrong] snap read.

I really don't think Sulit has that exchange with his scum partner.

Am I reading too much into this? Tell me why.

TOWN LIST
Jamiet