M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Fluminator]

Balki, tell me the truth here and I won't necessarily scumread you for it.

Those were fake townslips right?

[Fluminator]

Ok I think I'm done my reread.
Scum:
Xorx
Kdray
Final scum Balki/Jamiet
Longshot: Damo
Town: Bunny, Bozo

I'm taking a long break now. I spent way too much time on this today lol.

[Fluminator]

People should maybe just post their lists to start, and give the reasons after.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Balki, tell me the truth here and I won't necessarily scumread you for it.

Those were fake townslips right?

Why would I “fake town slip”? No, definitely not. I don’t know what you’re referring to (I’ve been accused of several of these), but the answer is no.

Can you imagine me thinking that such a thing would be effective here? Everything I do, I am accused of a double- or triple-bluff. The default is “Balki is manipulative.”

[kgray]

Balki, tell me the truth here and I won't necessarily scumread you for it.

Those were fake townslips right?

Why would I “fake town slip”? No, definitely not. I don’t know what you’re referring to (I’ve been accused of several of these), but the answer is no.

Can you imagine me thinking that such a thing would be effective here? Everything I do, I am accused of a double- or triple-bluff. The default is “Balki is manipulative.”

The default is "scum are manipulative." My point was that I think you'd be capable of doing that well. This is actually part of why I had originally thought there was no way you could be scum who bused bob, because you pushed that narrative so hard and I assumed you'd be more subtle than that if you were.

But I was convinced that Fox and rdr were scum. You were undeniably supporting that belief, you defended me to rdr, you implied I was one of the few people being logical. I'm sure you're self-aware enough to know why I am considering this train of thought.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Balki, tell me the truth here and I won't necessarily scumread you for it.

Those were fake townslips right?

Why would I “fake town slip”? No, definitely not. I don’t know what you’re referring to (I’ve been accused of several of these), but the answer is no.

Can you imagine me thinking that such a thing would be effective here? Everything I do, I am accused of a double- or triple-bluff. The default is “Balki is manipulative.”

The default is "scum are manipulative." My point was that I think you'd be capable of doing that well. This is actually part of why I had originally thought there was no way you could be scum who bused bob, because you pushed that narrative so hard and I assumed you'd be more subtle than that if you were.

But I was convinced that Fox and rdr were scum. You were undeniably supporting that belief, you defended me to rdr, you implied I was one of the few people being logical. I'm sure you're self-aware enough to know why I am considering this train of thought.

Yeah, I’m not saying that to blame you, or imply that this train of thought is not logical. In fact, my original scumread of Fox was basically because he wasn’t following that train of thought. So, I don’t mean to throw shade at you with my comment above.

[xorxes]

Balki, tell me the truth here and I won't necessarily scumread you for it.

Those were fake townslips right?

Have you faked any townslips, or any other kind of slips?

[damo666]

I'd still like to know who you think it is. It is not "blindingly obvious" to me.

Well, does anybody else think there is a blindingly obvious townsperson?

You had someone in mind. Why not answer the question?

I'm seeing who disagrees with me. You for instance.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Well, does anybody else think there is a blindingly obvious townsperson?

You had someone in mind. Why not answer the question?

I'm seeing who disagrees with me. You for instance.

So...Rx test?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Balki, do you think there was bussing that happened on Bob yet?

I dunno.

I'm going to try to put together a block of time tonight to re-read.

[damo666]

You had someone in mind. Why not answer the question?

I'm seeing who disagrees with me. You for instance.

So...Rx test?

I suppose. I genuinely think there is standout obvtown. Before I disclose I want to see who if anyone agrees with me.

[damo666]

To me the scum team is either:

1 D3 EMC voter & 2 D3 Bob voters incl PZ

or

2 D3 EMC voters (ie Jamie and kgray) & 1 D3 Bob voter

Of the 5 Bob voters I am pretty confident of 2 of them as town. To be disclosed later.

So, from mpov there are 2*3+1*3 = 9 possible scumteams.

k and J are in 6 of these, the three poss scumBobvoters are in 5 so I think I would prefer to lynch k or J.

[bozotheclown]

I still think kgray is one of the mafia, for the reasons I previously stated, plus the fact that rdrivera got lynched over her D5.

##VOTE kgray

Go do a re-read with no preconceived notion. You have tons more info now than you had when you "previously stated" this.

I have already done that and my previously stated reasons for suspecting kgray still apply. No new information changes that fact that kgray came up with new scum reads of Chaqa and emc D3 after they became wagons and pushed lynching Chaqa or emc over Bob.

[bozotheclown]

I still think kgray is one of the mafia, for the reasons I previously stated, plus the fact that rdrivera got lynched over her D5.

##VOTE kgray

Why do you think rdr being lynched over me makes me scummier?

After Foxcastle claimed, your move to rdrivera was NAI, but the other scum possibilities (from my point of view) did the following:
kept their vote on rdrivera: xorxes, Jamie
moved their vote from Foxcastle to rdrivera: Fluminator
kept their vote on Foxcastle, either because they were not online or because they wanted us to think they were not online: Balki, damo
kept their vote on you: BunnyGo

So, it appears likely there was scum influence in rdrivera getting lynched over you.

[Jamiet99uk]

Bozo seems quite lazy in this game.
Fluminator is being quite odd, still.

I am town, Damo, but thanks for trying.

[bozotheclown]

Has anyone else here recently played with Xorxes? What's he like in other games?

I have played a lot with xorxes because both of us have played in most of the recent games. I do not think it is too easy to distinguish when xorxes is town or scum, but I usually start suspecting him when he argues for things I do not agree with. Early in the game I generally agreed with what xorxes was saying, but I did not like some of his reasons for pushing rdrivera. I do not think I have ever seen xorxes bus a scum teammate like he would have had to be bussing Bob on D3, I have only seen xorxes bus when his teammate was already a likely lynch, but that would not necessarily apply as patient zero. I think xorxes is a possible patient zero candidate, he could have scanned rdrivera early and knew he was town, and kept pushing a case on him.

[bozotheclown]

Bozo seems quite lazy in this game.
Fluminator is being quite odd, still.

I am town, Damo, but thanks for trying.

Rather than making that generalization, can you tell me if you still disagree with me about kgray, and if so, who you think is a better lynch?

[kgray]

Why would I “fake town slip”? No, definitely not. I don’t know what you’re referring to (I’ve been accused of several of these), but the answer is no.

Can you imagine me thinking that such a thing would be effective here? Everything I do, I am accused of a double- or triple-bluff. The default is “Balki is manipulative.”

The default is "scum are manipulative." My point was that I think you'd be capable of doing that well. This is actually part of why I had originally thought there was no way you could be scum who bused bob, because you pushed that narrative so hard and I assumed you'd be more subtle than that if you were.

But I was convinced that Fox and rdr were scum. You were undeniably supporting that belief, you defended me to rdr, you implied I was one of the few people being logical. I'm sure you're self-aware enough to know why I am considering this train of thought.

Yeah, I’m not saying that to blame you, or imply that this train of thought is not logical. In fact, my original scumread of Fox was basically because he wasn’t following that train of thought. So, I don’t mean to throw shade at you with my comment above.

And I didn't mean to shade your character, or to imply that you're a manipulative person in general. I'm sorry if it came off that way.

[kgray]

I'm seeing who disagrees with me. You for instance.

So...Rx test?

I suppose. I genuinely think there is standout obvtown. Before I disclose I want to see who if anyone agrees with me.

I don't know if it's a great idea to openly declare who we think is the most townread. Doesn't that just make the night kill choice easier for scum?

[kgray]

To me the scum team is either:

1 D3 EMC voter & 2 D3 Bob voters incl PZ

or

2 D3 EMC voters (ie Jamie and kgray) & 1 D3 Bob voter

Of the 5 Bob voters I am pretty confident of 2 of them as town. To be disclosed later.

So, from mpov there are 2*3+1*3 = 9 possible scumteams.

k and J are in 6 of these, the three poss scumBobvoters are in 5 so I think I would prefer to lynch k or J.

Are your two scenarios (1 emc voter and 2 bob voters vs. 2 emc voters and 1 bob voter) based on anything concrete, or do you just not think it's likely that all 3 scum were on bob?