M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[brainbomb]

An action for the patient 0 has been properly processed every night by the gms

[BunnyGo]

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You are Patient zero. Unbeknownst to you, your live bat head soup was contaminated with a virus. A new virus. A deadly virus. You went about your life as normal until you developed a cough, then all went downhill. You didn’t even realise the role you were to play. You are a MAFIA alignment cop. Each night you MUST PM the GM with ##investigate PLAYER. You will learn whether they are mafia or town. You do NOT know the identity of the other members on your mafia team. You win when there is nothing the world can do to prevent global eradication
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[xorxes]

xorxes vs. rdrivera and Balki vs. Foxcastle could be all town, I can see all of them believing the cases they are making, although patient zero could be hiding in there.

Could be, but I doubt rivera and Fox are both town, because of D4 votes.

Is that because they tried to avoid lynching emc, or because they tried to lynch you?

Both. I don't expect them to vote together like that if both are scum.

[brainbomb]

Please PM any gm calls to me or page me on discord.

[xorxes]

##call GM, does Patient Zero have to use their Night scan, or can they holster it?

Dude. Not only is it clear in the rules, I JUST posted that it is clear in the rules.

So what is the rule?

Sorry, I am not caught up.

It's in your role PM:

You are Patient zero. Unbeknownst to you, your live bat head soup was contaminated with a virus. A new virus. A deadly virus. You went about your life as normal until you developed a cough, then all went downhill. You didn’t even realise the role you were to play. You are a MAFIA alignment cop. Each night you MUST PM the GM with ##investigate PLAYER. You will learn whether they are mafia or town. You do NOT know the identity of the other members on your mafia team. You win when there is nothing the world can do to prevent global eradication

[Fluminator]

I'm at that stage too. He's successfully made me doubt Rdrivera a little more if that's his motive.
I'd expect him to do what rdrivera is doing, because he has to know if he gets lynched and flips town, Balki is almost definitely getting lynched next.

Do you really think Balki will be next if Fox flip town? Because I just feel the same people who scumread Fox will just jump into me just saying we can both be town.

I imagine he would at least be one of the wagons.

[xorxes]

I'm at that stage too. He's successfully made me doubt Rdrivera a little more if that's his motive.
I'd expect him to do what rdrivera is doing, because he has to know if he gets lynched and flips town, Balki is almost definitely getting lynched next.

Do you really think Balki will be next if Fox flip town? Because I just feel the same people who scumread Fox will just jump into me just saying we can both be town.

I imagine he would at least be one of the wagons.

We don't even know who will be alive after 3 deaths.

[Balki Bartokomous]

That’s actually great. That makes Watcher quite a bit more valuable. Chaqa kill makes a little more sense to me.

[BunnyGo]

Dude. Not only is it clear in the rules, I JUST posted that it is clear in the rules.

So what is the rule?

Sorry, I am not caught up.

It's in your role PM:

You are Patient zero. Unbeknownst to you, your live bat head soup was contaminated with a virus. A new virus. A deadly virus. You went about your life as normal until you developed a cough, then all went downhill. You didn’t even realise the role you were to play. You are a MAFIA alignment cop. Each night you MUST PM the GM with ##investigate PLAYER. You will learn whether they are mafia or town. You do NOT know the identity of the other members on your mafia team. You win when there is nothing the world can do to prevent global eradication

LOL

[Fluminator]

I for one think his no lynch strategy has merit. I would like people to actually consider it. Try and post your best arguments in its favor. And against. I think it is a strong idea, even if Fox is scum. I don’t think it’s slam dunk obvious for town, but I think there’s merit and it’s not obvious to dismiss it.

Do you believe it would be smart for town to no lynch every day starting day 1 until lylo as long as their investigative roles were still alive?

[xorxes]

I for one think his no lynch strategy has merit. I would like people to actually consider it. Try and post your best arguments in its favor. And against. I think it is a strong idea, even if Fox is scum. I don’t think it’s slam dunk obvious for town, but I think there’s merit and it’s not obvious to dismiss it.

Do you believe it would be smart for town to no lynch every day starting day 1 until lylo as long as their investigative roles were still alive?

That's the usual no-lynch argument that people like to make, which would only make sense if lynches were completely random. But the whole point of having lynches is that they are not random and provide information even when we mislynch.

[Jamiet99uk]

Just catching up after my daily state-permitted exercise walk.

What's this fresh horseshit of Fluminator endvoting in some kind of pact with Rdrivera, then Rdrivera hammervoting himself, only for Fluminator to jump off onto Fox?

Would one of you pair like to talk me through that?

Flum, perhaps? Why did you get Rdrivera to endvote himself, and then move off?

[Balki Bartokomous]

I say we hammer lynch Fox right now.

[Fluminator]

I was going to play a game of chicken with him, until I decided Fox was a more compelling lynch today.

[rdrivera2005]

Just catching up after my daily state-permitted exercise walk.

What's this fresh horseshit of Fluminator endvoting in some kind of pact with Rdrivera, then Rdrivera hammervoting himself, only for Fluminator to jump off onto Fox?

Would one of you pair like to talk me through that?

Flum, perhaps? Why did you get Rdrivera to endvote himself, and then move off?

In defense of Flum, I made this offer to him and Bunny as they seems the only time who are tryng to solve the game. And because I don't have the time and the will to defend myself at lylo.

[rdrivera2005]

And I don't like the idea of throwing all our chances to the Watcher. Better risk a lynch and if we fail Watcher still have two chances.

[bozotheclown]

That D3 EOD exchange between kgray and Foxcastle makes Foxcastle look suspicious also. kgray and Foxcastle crossposted vote changes between emc and Chaqa with the apparent intention of getting either one lynched over Bob. When Foxcastle asked kgray about her vote, she said she would change back to Chaqa if Foxcastle kept his vote there. However, a few minutes passed and kgray did not change her vote, so Foxcastle changed his vote back to emc with the following:

Hm. Okay, between Bob and EMC, it's ##VOTE EMC

I find this reason for his vote change questionable because it is not accurate that emc did "something similar as scum last game". emc voted one time on D1 of M53, and it was for BunnyGo, who was a counterwagon, and emc's vote for BunnyGo made the vote a 3 way tie, including emc and BunnyGo. So, I do not think you could say there were "better options to save himself". Foxcastle's vote for emc tied the vote between emc and Bob with 4 minutes to go.

I do not know how likely it is that Foxcastle and kgray would communicate like that as scum partners, but after crossposting, maybe Foxcastle thought it would look more suspicious to just ignore it. Then, after kgray answered Foxcastle, Foxcastle did ignore her and came up with an unrelated reason to change his vote back to emc.

@bozo, if you assume I am town, do you still think Fox looks more suspicious from this exchange? I thought it was one of the few things that he did that seemed towny.

It is possible he was trying to use your vote to help save Bob, but I would not expect him to do it so openly as scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

I gave up Bunny. Now Xorxes successfully get Jamiet to jump on me with this bullshit.

If you and Flum agree to lynch Xorxes next I will play a Vecna and suicide. What do you think?

Now just hold on a minute here.

When you rejoined the game to find that Vecna had been hammered, and had endhammered himself in the process, you were absolutely indignant and criticised multiple people for having any part in it.

Now you are proposing the same thing on yourself?

No. Bullshit. This is a scum strategy. I do not buy it.

[Jamiet99uk]

I am calling this guy's bluff.

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[xorxes]

I am calling this guy's bluff.

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Even though you're voting for rivera, you are currently hammering Fox.