M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Fluminator]

Also, with 10 players, there are 45 potential two-player combinations that could be the main scum team. If we no-lynch three times, that becomes 21 combinations, and maybe we'd have a better chance of eliminating most of those pairs to actually figure this out.

Also, if we narrow down to 21 teams that we can examine, and then eliminate a significant number of teams, that means that there will possibly be an outcome where half the game thinks I fit with most number scum remaining teams, half the game thinks that Rdrivera fits with the most number of remaining teams teams, but a bigger majority of game might discover that they agree on a second choice.

Basically, this let's us have ranked choice voting. If half of you think me and Qbert are the team, and half of you think Rdrivera and Qbert are the team, then the thing to do there is not fight between me and Rdrivera, it's to lynch Qbert.

Fox, ummmm
Maybe I'll let other people comment before giving my opinion.

[kgray]

##vote Foxcastle

Care to lay out your case?

I was trying to decide between you and rdr, because I think either (or both) of you could be scum for reasons I've talked about multiple times. At this point I think you're scummier. Here are the main reasons, although they have mostly been addressed already:

• Your refusal to vote emc D4 after apparently scumreading him D3 is very suspicious. You mentioned several times D4 that you would lynch emc but never voted for him. I think it is likely that you didn't want people to know D3 was town vs scum.
• Your xorxes push didn't make sense to me at all. You came up with a scumread of xorxes D4 basically out of nowhere, and it seemed forced to me.
• Looking at the recent posts, I can see where rdr could be coming from if he's town. That doesn't mean he couldn't be faking it, but I get some of his thought process. I don't get yours at all. Overall I don't think your reads are genuine and I think you're trying to push agendas.

[kgray]

Basically, this let's us have ranked choice voting. If half of you think me and Qbert are the team, and half of you think Rdrivera and Qbert are the team, then the thing to do there is not fight between me and Rdrivera, it's to lynch Qbert.

Wow, this seems like a great way for scum-fox to save both himself and his partner scum-rdr....

[Foxcastle]

The Triple No-Lynch plan also protects the watcher from the Patient Zero scan, since Patient Zero can't suddenly signal to their team who to NK without looking conspicuous. "I really think Qbert looks bad during all this non-activity, we definitely have to deal with him." <Qbert dies> "Oh man, that's weird that I said that and then Qbert died..."

[Foxcastle]

Basically, this let's us have ranked choice voting. If half of you think me and Qbert are the team, and half of you think Rdrivera and Qbert are the team, then the thing to do there is not fight between me and Rdrivera, it's to lynch Qbert.

Wow, this seems like a great way for scum-fox to save both himself and his partner scum-rdr....

I know I'm town, so I see it as a way to guide town to a better outcome than a mislynch.

[Foxcastle]

##vote Foxcastle

Care to lay out your case?

I was trying to decide between you and rdr, because I think either (or both) of you could be scum for reasons I've talked about multiple times. At this point I think you're scummier. Here are the main reasons, although they have mostly been addressed already:

• Your refusal to vote emc D4 after apparently scumreading him D3 is very suspicious. You mentioned several times D4 that you would lynch emc but never voted for him. I think it is likely that you didn't want people to know D3 was town vs scum.
• Your xorxes push didn't make sense to me at all. You came up with a scumread of xorxes D4 basically out of nowhere, and it seemed forced to me.
• Looking at the recent posts, I can see where rdr could be coming from if he's town. That doesn't mean he couldn't be faking it, but I get some of his thought process. I don't get yours at all. Overall I don't think your reads are genuine and I think you're trying to push agendas.

I will not pick at this too much, because I mostly wanted you on record.

But if I scumread EMC on D3 and knew he was a solid mislynch D4, why wouldn't I vote for him over Xorxes exactly so as to not draw this kind of criticism?

I reread Xorxes, and that's where my scumread of him came from. So it wasn't "out of nowhere", but yes, it was not a slow progression.

[Foxcastle]

Basically, this let's us have ranked choice voting. If half of you think me and Qbert are the team, and half of you think Rdrivera and Qbert are the team, then the thing to do there is not fight between me and Rdrivera, it's to lynch Qbert.

Wow, this seems like a great way for scum-fox to save both himself and his partner scum-rdr....

Independent of the Ranked Choice Voting approach, what do you think of No-Lynching 3 times to try to get a Watcher scan off?

[kgray]

Basically, this let's us have ranked choice voting. If half of you think me and Qbert are the team, and half of you think Rdrivera and Qbert are the team, then the thing to do there is not fight between me and Rdrivera, it's to lynch Qbert.

Wow, this seems like a great way for scum-fox to save both himself and his partner scum-rdr....

I know I'm town, so I see it as a way to guide town to a better outcome than a mislynch.

Okay but are you arguing for people to vote for their second or third highest scumread? How could town think that is less likely to cause a mislynch than voting for their top scumread?

[kgray]

Basically, this let's us have ranked choice voting. If half of you think me and Qbert are the team, and half of you think Rdrivera and Qbert are the team, then the thing to do there is not fight between me and Rdrivera, it's to lynch Qbert.

Wow, this seems like a great way for scum-fox to save both himself and his partner scum-rdr....

Independent of the Ranked Choice Voting approach, what do you think of No-Lynching 3 times to try to get a Watcher scan off?

I'm not sure, I will have to think about the numbers more. My first instinct is that waiting to lynch until after night kills just decreases the number of town who can vote in the next lynch, so it makes it easier for scum to manipulate the lynch. But I also realize we don't have many more chances to lynch scum, so if we could get info (especially a Watcher result) before the next lynch, that would obviously be a benefit. And with fewer town still alive we would have a better chance at lynching scum...

[Fluminator]

Ok, if only one of Rdrivera and Fox are scum, I think Fox is the more likely candidate

I'm staying on Rdrivera for now though so wagons stay more equal.

[Fluminator]

Rdrivera, are you not a little confused by Fox's blatant buddying of you?

[Foxcastle]

Ok, if only one of Rdrivera and Fox are scum, I think Fox is the more likely candidate

I'm staying on Rdrivera for now though so wagons stay more equal.

Does this mean you reject the No-Lynch plan?

[Foxcastle]

Rdrivera, are you not a little confused by Fox's blatant buddying of you?

Oh, right. I owe you some commentary on Rdrivera. I reread him (I think at Xorxes' request?) and didn't see him as scum. I haven't seen a reason to change that read, although I do understand why people think he looks scummy, since it's not so far off from why people think I'm scummy.

[Foxcastle]

I would like everyone to list who they think is the most scumread. Not who you scumread the most, but who you think others scumread the most. The top 2 at least, go for 3 if you think there's a clear set that's ahead of everyone else; if you really think there are 4 people who are all nearly equally scumread, list that, I guess, but I think four borders on unhelpful.

Balki:
Bozo:
BunnyGo: Rdrivera, Fox, Xorxes, Balki
Damo:
Flum: Fox, Rdrivera >> Balki
Fox: Fox, Rdrivera >> Damo, Kgray
Jamiet:
Kgray: Fox, Rdrivera
Rdrivera:
Xorxes: Fox, Rdrivera, Balki

Rdrivera? Jamiet? Damo? Bozo? Balki?

[kgray]

But if I scumread EMC on D3 and knew he was a solid mislynch D4, why wouldn't I vote for him over Xorxes exactly so as to not draw this kind of criticism?

Because if xorxes is also a mislynch and you think you could make that happen, then obviously that would be better. And at that point, lynching emc "for information" D5 is really risky, so town may never have learned that D3 was scum vs. town. Keeping town-emc alive and lynching town-xorxes is good for any scum who voted to lynch emc D3.

I reread Xorxes, and that's where my scumread of him came from. So it wasn't "out of nowhere", but yes, it was not a slow progression.

At the end of the post where you describe your reread of xorxes, you say this: "So if it came down to him versus someone I townread, I'd vote for him, but I think I am unlikely to push him today." I don't find anywhere where you say you townread emc. In fact, at one point you say you think he is likely scum, and later you say you're inclined to get rid of him. And yet, you did push xorxes, and never voted for emc.

[Fluminator]

Can you tell me what the purpose of this exercise is? Or is it something you can't spoil before it's done.

[BunnyGo]

Can you tell me what the purpose of this exercise is? Or is it something you can't spoil before it's done.

Can you comment on pinning our hopes on the watcher nabbing 2 scum in next 3 nights?

[rdrivera2005]

Can I just make it very clear: I don't think that Rdrivera's theory about the scum NK selections is correct. I think in the first place, it's rubbish, and in the second place, it's scummy of Rdrivera to advance such a theory, yet at the same time be dead set against voting for the person who that theory ought to highlight as a top suspect (while still hinting you still suspect that person!!).

What theory? I said I find odd that the usual NKs are still alive and try to guess why this happened. Most people just said Watcher. I argued that I don't think Watcher is such a threat to scum. Why this point to Fox being the top suspect is beyond my capacity.

[Foxcastle]

Can you tell me what the purpose of this exercise is? Or is it something you can't spoil before it's done.

I'll give it a bit more time now that I've namechecked the people who haven't done it yet, and then explain.

[Fluminator]

Ok, if only one of Rdrivera and Fox are scum, I think Fox is the more likely candidate

I'm staying on Rdrivera for now though so wagons stay more equal.

Does this mean you reject the No-Lynch plan?

I think it might have been a good plan if we started doing it day 1, so we'd also have our cop get more scans, and it would lower the possible scum teams even more before we start lynching.