M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[BunnyGo]

My reads have been pretty damn good in this game after Day 1, I have to say.

Huh. Wonder why that could be???

##VOTE BALKI

How on Earth, Fox, after the flips that we've seen from the Day 3 wagons, are you not just a little bit interested in lynching the other people who, with you, voted to lynch EMC and asked people to move off the Bob wagon?

Town!Fox is smart. Town!Fox doesn't just ignore voting behavior. Town!Fox is not playing in this game.

Ok...this post I get. And I agree with. @Fox, Do you have a 2nd choice?

[BunnyGo]

will vote for Fox or kgray

##vote Fox for now

No elaboration?

[BunnyGo]

My reads have been pretty damn good in this game after Day 1, I have to say.

Huh. Wonder why that could be???

##VOTE BALKI

Also, you know what else Town!Fox would have said by now? Town!Fox would have said something like:

"You know what, Balki, you are very good at Town, and I just can't see Town!Balki being so wrong about me for so long."

But you haven't said that. Because I am right about your alignment. And so it hasn't occurred to you to make that argument.

Balki makes another bad post. This is bad all around. Everything about this post stinks.

[BunnyGo]

I will start with ##VOTE rdrivera

Why?

[BunnyGo]

Speaking of awkward phase shifts, I'll be busy in meetings and such until after EoN. If I die, everyone should know what I'm thinking at this point.

You won't be NK'd. Nor will I, nor will Xorxes, nor will Fox.

This is a very weird post. The Fox statement seems to be because damo scumreads Fox? Why Xorxes? You scum read him too? Why are you not willing to vote him today then? Why wasn't Chaq going to die? Why were you wrong? Who did you think was going to get NKd?

[BunnyGo]

Fox, I don't think Balki is getting lynched today, so who do you think his partner is?

I think Xorxes is Patient Zero, I think Kgray or Damo is likely Balki's partner.

Have you analyzed any of their interactions?

My impression is that kgray and Balki interact a fair bit. Balki even said something like "I deputize kgray to explain my genius to the rest of the town"

I don't know what Damo-Balki interactions have been.

Thoughts?

[BunnyGo]

I always feel judged by hypothetical god thread people spectating at this point in the game if I'm wrong, but I just don't think I can consider 4d chess moves right now, when separate distinct scumtells all point to at least one of Rdrivera and Fox being scum.
I'll start with ##Vote Rdrivera

Dumb Bunny really doesn't understand the Rdr votes. Can you spell it out for me clearly without making me hunt through the thread for some previously stated argument across 4 posts and 2 days? You seem a good explainer when you want to.

The couple times I've looked, I've come up thinking he looks townier than the other D3EMC voters.

[Balki Bartokomous]

RIP Chaqa.

My reads have been pretty damn good in this game after Day 1, I have to say.

That gives us some more info on Day 3. And Day 1.

##vote Fox

This is a very weird Balki post. So far this game his posts have been in the category of:

1) State good (but obvious) advice and questions for town
2) Berate town for not listening enough
3) Voting Fox for some reason.

What is this post? "I, Balki, happen to know that what I've said is correct."

I need you to be more descriptive than “this post is weird.”

What is weird about it?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Huh. Wonder why that could be???

##VOTE BALKI

Also, you know what else Town!Fox would have said by now? Town!Fox would have said something like:

"You know what, Balki, you are very good at Town, and I just can't see Town!Balki being so wrong about me for so long."

But you haven't said that. Because I am right about your alignment. And so it hasn't occurred to you to make that argument.

Balki makes another bad post. This is bad all around. Everything about this post stinks.

I’m going to need you to be more descriptive than “this post is bad.” What is “bad” about it?

[BunnyGo]

Well, I did say that there had to be someone in my townreads who was scum. Then Chaqa died. Then you and Damo were left at the bottom of my reads non-scum reads.

Okay, so do you think it makes sense for either me or damo specifically to be Balki's partner? Or is this just based on you POE?

Oh, I have a theory about you specifically, being a a new player. (Not judging your skills, just your newness to this group.) I think that makes it more important that Balki target the unusual suspects for the NK, because with Sulit lurking and then Bob lurking, and with you being new, it was even more important that he create plausible deniability about why he and Xorxes hadn't been NK'd as game goes on, because if he and Xorxes go down, their game is left in the hands of a lurker and an unknown quantity.

And Balki's repeated praising of kgray? Would he not be distancing himself for when he flips scum?

[kgray]

I always feel judged by hypothetical god thread people spectating at this point in the game if I'm wrong, but I just don't think I can consider 4d chess moves right now, when separate distinct scumtells all point to at least one of Rdrivera and Fox being scum.
I'll start with ##Vote Rdrivera

Dumb Bunny really doesn't understand the Rdr votes. Can you spell it out for me clearly without making me hunt through the thread for some previously stated argument across 4 posts and 2 days? You seem a good explainer when you want to.

The couple times I've looked, I've come up thinking he looks townier than the other D3EMC voters.

What are you looking at when you say this? His ISO overall or the D3 votes?

[BunnyGo]

RIP Chaqa.

My reads have been pretty damn good in this game after Day 1, I have to say.

That gives us some more info on Day 3. And Day 1.

##vote Fox

This is a very weird Balki post. So far this game his posts have been in the category of:

1) State good (but obvious) advice and questions for town
2) Berate town for not listening enough
3) Voting Fox for some reason.

What is this post? "I, Balki, happen to know that what I've said is correct."

I need you to be more descriptive than “this post is weird.”

What is weird about it?

It's not in the category of your other posts.

It's self congratulatory with no statement of strategy, goal, read, or purpose.

The ONLY purpose is to make us think you're awesome.

It is deflecting, preemptively things people will be thinking about you. And as Fox points out, scum!Balki should know every read...

You usually have a point to your posts. This one did not.

[BunnyGo]

Also, you know what else Town!Fox would have said by now? Town!Fox would have said something like:

"You know what, Balki, you are very good at Town, and I just can't see Town!Balki being so wrong about me for so long."

But you haven't said that. Because I am right about your alignment. And so it hasn't occurred to you to make that argument.

Balki makes another bad post. This is bad all around. Everything about this post stinks.

I’m going to need you to be more descriptive than “this post is bad.” What is “bad” about it?

The exact same argument could be made by Fox about you. It's a stupid argument. You don't make stupid arguments. So why are you doing it?

Best case, you're tired and not thinking and frustrated.

Worst case, you're caught and getting lazy.

[BunnyGo]

I always feel judged by hypothetical god thread people spectating at this point in the game if I'm wrong, but I just don't think I can consider 4d chess moves right now, when separate distinct scumtells all point to at least one of Rdrivera and Fox being scum.
I'll start with ##Vote Rdrivera

Dumb Bunny really doesn't understand the Rdr votes. Can you spell it out for me clearly without making me hunt through the thread for some previously stated argument across 4 posts and 2 days? You seem a good explainer when you want to.

The couple times I've looked, I've come up thinking he looks townier than the other D3EMC voters.

What are you looking at when you say this? His ISO overall or the D3 votes?

Among the D3 EMC voters, his ISO doesn't seem so bad. He wasn't bad on D2 unlike many (yes he voted end, but like me wasn't around to stop the foolishness later).

I see his day 3 movement as townie. He challenges Xorxes somewhat coherently (especially over the Vecna debacle). He is thinking about you. He is thinking about Bob. He is stuck between Bob and EMC. It was a tough call with 2 lurkers. I see this as working confused town!rdr.

YOU on the other hand (for comparison of a D3 EMC voter) zero in on Chaq and EMC and push hard for anyone but your scumread of Bob. So you couldn't be wrong. But you could try to push things onto the 2 town wagons. Your votes don't jump as much, but I don't care. His logic was sounder, and less manipulative.

Doing this comparison not just with votes, but seeing how people think is the key. Your thoughts seemed forced "I scum read Bob, but never gonna vote for him" (paraphrased), his seemed searching and confused and hunting.

[Balki Bartokomous]

The exact same argument could be made by Fox about you. It's a stupid argument. You don't make stupid arguments. So why are you doing it?

Best case, you're tired and not thinking and frustrated.

Worst case, you're caught and getting lazy.

(1) Who cares if Fox could make the same argument about me? I’m not trying to win a debate. I’m trying to explain why I believe Fox is scum.
(2) It’s not about what argument someone could make. It’s about what argument Fox did and did not make. What I am saying here is that it is notable to me that this argument never occurred to Fox. If Fox is Town, then I am, like COMPLETELY off track. I think, if Fox were Town, that would be very surprising to Fox. The fact that he hasn’t mentioned it makes me feel like it never occurred to him at all because I am not completely off track.
(3) It doesn’t matter, but Fox could not make the same argument about me. I HAVE said that part of my Fox read is that he is so off on reading me.

So, I think your point is wrong, Bunny. You and I seem to see the game entirely differently.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I need you to be more descriptive than “this post is weird.”

What is weird about it?

It's not in the category of your other posts.

It's self congratulatory with no statement of strategy, goal, read, or purpose.

The ONLY purpose is to make us think you're awesome.

It is deflecting, preemptively things people will be thinking about you. And as Fox points out, scum!Balki should know every read...

You usually have a point to your posts. This one did not.

Okay.

I’m proud of myself for getting my Chaqa read right despite him scum reading me all game. I feel good about it. Sorry.

[BunnyGo]

I always feel judged by hypothetical god thread people spectating at this point in the game if I'm wrong, but I just don't think I can consider 4d chess moves right now, when separate distinct scumtells all point to at least one of Rdrivera and Fox being scum.
I'll start with ##Vote Rdrivera

If yiu want to waste the last myslynch on me go ahead.
I am pretty sure at least one of you, Xorxes and Balki are scum, probably two (and are keeping the other alive as a cover). There is no possible scumteam that will lynch Brain, Worcej and Chaqa before you three if you are all town.

This is probably true. Even noobs would pick up on the praise thrown at them. In fact, a noob scum team would not even be thinking hard about avoiding the watcher, and go for them for sure...

[BunnyGo]

The exact same argument could be made by Fox about you. It's a stupid argument. You don't make stupid arguments. So why are you doing it?

Best case, you're tired and not thinking and frustrated.

Worst case, you're caught and getting lazy.

(1) Who cares if Fox could make the same argument about me? I’m not trying to win a debate. I’m trying to explain why I believe Fox is scum.
(2) It’s not about what argument someone could make. It’s about what argument Fox did and did not make. What I am saying here is that it is notable to me that this argument never occurred to Fox. If Fox is Town, then I am, like COMPLETELY off track. I think, if Fox were Town, that would be very surprising to Fox. The fact that he hasn’t mentioned it makes me feel like it never occurred to him at all because I am not completely off track.
(3) It doesn’t matter, but Fox could not make the same argument about me. I HAVE said that part of my Fox read is that he is so off on reading me.

So, I think your point is wrong, Bunny. You and I seem to see the game entirely differently.

Ah...from my POV watching you two argue, your post doesn't clear anything up.

Usually your posts have this in mind to. You clearly think about your audience (not just the person you are addressing). And *that's* why the fact Fox could say it too matters. It's not doing anything to convince the rest of us (or at least this post alone shouldn't).

[Balki Bartokomous]

You don’t get me, Bunny.

You and I are looking for different things.

[BunnyGo]

Among the D3 emc voters, it seems damo and kgray are not getting much attention, although they were the only 2 who did not vote for Bob at any time D3. damo was actively trying to get emc lynched over Bob at EOD, something I have pointed out he has been willing to do before as scum.

##VOTE damo

This is true. He was posting those "one more vote" stuff.

What do you think of kgray? Her long posts saying "Bob is probably scum, but let's vote Chaq or EMC instead"?