M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[kgray]

@Balki did you ever ISO me like you said you were going to?

[rdrivera2005]

Rdrivera, can you just walk me through the thought process that led you to believe Xorx was a better lynch than EMC day 4?

I had a scumread on Xorxes since D2. I think Xorxes is completely capable of bussing Bob and he looks exactly like his scum meta.
Emc on the other side is just a null/lurker, specially after D3 (sorting him gives info, that's why I wasn't opposed to it and don't blame who voted him, but it was a coin flip).
Emc was the comfortable wagon to be yesterday, that's my opinion. I understand you scumreading me for D3, but not for D4.

[rdrivera2005]

Okay, but you don't think the timing of Fox's votes looks suspicious? Even Fox said he agrees it looks bad.

Yes, it looks bad and the timing of my votes look bad too.

So are you saying that because your votes look bad and you know you're town, you don't think we should suspect Fox because his votes look bad?

No, you can suspect him and me and it's fine, I thought I would be the lynch yesterday to be honest. But I just can't scumread him for doing more or less the same thing I did.

[rdrivera2005]

Oh, and I was going to go back and review the xorxes push from yesterday. Why is nobody pushing it again? What was the reasoning yesterday? Is kgray correct it’s all meta, or is there more?

I don't think it will happen, the people pushing him had the bad habit of dying, but ##vote Xorxes

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Balki did you ever ISO me like you said you were going to?

No. I have ISOed you, but I don’t think I have since I said I was going to.

[Fluminator]

Jamiet shot up to #1 Patient Zero suspect, but I still don't want to go for patient zero today.

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamiet shot up to #1 Patient Zero suspect, but I still don't want to go for patient zero today.

Why?

[Fluminator]

You have to admit, the typo is pretty unfortunate.

[kgray]

Jamiet shot up to #1 Patient Zero suspect, but I still don't want to go for patient zero today.

If Jamie is PZ then I think rdr is town.

[xorxes]

Jamiet shot up to #1 Patient Zero suspect, but I still don't want to go for patient zero today.

PZ wouldn't know if I was town unless they scanned me.

[xorxes]

@rivera, what do you think of the Jamie "slip"?

[Fluminator]

Jamiet shot up to #1 Patient Zero suspect, but I still don't want to go for patient zero today.

If Jamie is PZ then I think rdr is town.

How come?

[kgray]

Jamiet shot up to #1 Patient Zero suspect, but I still don't want to go for patient zero today.

If Jamie is PZ then I think rdr is town.

How come?

Jamie didn't give any reason for suddenly scumreading rdr, so I could see him getting a scan and finding out that rdr isn't on his team. If I were PZ I'd definitely have scanned rdr.

[Jamiet99uk]

You have to admit, the typo is pretty unfortunate.

Huh?

If I was Patient Zero I wouldn't know Xorxes' alignment.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm sorry in advance to anyone who is going to tunnel me today because of a typo.

It's exactly the kind of thing I'd have done a while ago (to tunnel like that, I mean) and it will prove to be a waste of your time.

[kgray]

You have to admit, the typo is pretty unfortunate.

Huh?

If I was Patient Zero I wouldn't know Xorxes' alignment.

What? You could have investigated him....

[Jamiet99uk]

You have to admit, the typo is pretty unfortunate.

Huh?

If I was Patient Zero I wouldn't know Xorxes' alignment.

What? You could have investigated him....

Oh sure. If I was Patient Zero. Which I am not. I claimed my role sincerely right at the start of the game.

[Jamiet99uk]

I have done as Balki demanded.

First of all, Balki and Xorxes have never voted for each other, ever.

On D1, neither Balki nor Xorxes was ever a viable wagon. Xorxes recieved no votes at all and I was the only person who voted for Balki at any stage. So whatever Balki is talking about has nothing to do with D1.

On D2, neither Balki nor Xorxes was ever a viable wagon. Chaqa voted for first Xorxes and later Balki, and was the only person to vote for either of them. Meanwhile Xorxes and Balki were both focused on Vecna in terms of their votes. So whatever Balki is talking about has nothing to do with D2 either.

On D3 Balki briefly attracted Bunny's vote but that's all. Balki voted for Fox nearly all day before very reluctantly moving onto Bob right at the end, having been under pressure from me to move his vote (Fox was never a viable D3 wagon).

Meanwhile, Xorxes was a 2-vote wagon for a while, started and pushed by Chaqa and joined by Rdrivera. Bob very briefly made it a 3-vote wagon before Rdrivera moved to Bob, and Bob moved to Chaqa, and then Chaqa moved to Bob. That's a strange little interaction for you but it has nothing to do with Balki that I can see.

On D4 Chaqa began with his Xorxes tunnel once again. Rdrivera (again) joined it. Again it rumbled along as a two-vote wagon for a while. Hold that thought.

Now Balki became a real wagon, briefly, for the first time in the game. Foxcastle started that one, BunnyGo joined it, and then I briefly did so too, making it Rdrivera (3) vs Balki (3) vs Xorxes (2). Soon however BunnyGo moves to Damo, the Balki wagon drops back, and is never a prominent D4 wagon again.

That Xorxes wagon was still just on two votes, whilst the EMC wagon now started to emerge. Then Chaqa moved back to Xorxes after briefly flipping around, temporarily putting Xorxes on 3. But then Rdrivera moves off Xorxes to the growing EMC wagon. Xorxes is back down on 2. Then:

Fox moves from Balki to Xorxes - EMC(5) v Xorx (3)
Rdrivera moves from EMC to Xorxes - EMC(4) v Xorx (4)

This is as close as Xorxes ever gets to being lynched here.

Then Balki weirdly moves from Foxcastle to Rdrivera, back to Foxcastle, then back to Rdrivera again. All of which has no effect on the Xorxes and EMC wagons.

At this point I accuse Balki of seeking to avoid responsiblity. He responds very rudely, but then moves to EMC, putting EMC ahead of Xorxes. The EMC wagon continues to gain momentum and he is lynched.

Conclusions: Balki appears to think he is locktown if Xorx is town, because he claims credit for saving Xorxes.

However: It is interesting to recall that on both D3 and D4 Balki only joined the lead wagon after I called him out for parking his vote on wagons that were not so viable. He will claim to have "saved" Xorxes on D4, but he actually declared his intention to sit on his irrelevant Foxcastle solo-wagon, and only moved to EMC reluctantly after I gave him shit for that.

- An interesting aside is the vote interaction between Bob McBob, Chaqa, and Rdrivera on D3 which I mention above. I really do need to take another look at Rdrivera.

[Jamiet99uk]

That was effort.

Now I'm going to have a second beer.

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Jamiet, you don’t need to put words in my mouth. I have never saved Xorxes.

If Xorxes is Town, and EMC is Town, and Chaqa is Town, and Bob is Scum,

what have I been up to for the past two days? Not just my votes, though those too. What am I trying to do?

I’m your #1 scumread?

Why?