M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Chaqa]

@rdrivera, why do you assume you will be lynched today or tomorrow?

@chaqa, why do you assume there is exactly one scum between Balki/Fox? I understand why you rule out SvS. Why do you rule out TvT?

Because I too have a giant ego.

[brainbomb]

##Balki has giant balls

you may +1 this

[Balki Bartokomous]

@rdrivera, why do you assume you will be lynched today or tomorrow?

@chaqa, why do you assume there is exactly one scum between Balki/Fox? I understand why you rule out SvS. Why do you rule out TvT?

Because I too have a giant ego.

Okay, but can you answer the question?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Do you really lie when you are scum, or do you pick and choose which truths to put the focus on?

Both of course.

[Chaqa]

@rdrivera, why do you assume you will be lynched today or tomorrow?

@chaqa, why do you assume there is exactly one scum between Balki/Fox? I understand why you rule out SvS. Why do you rule out TvT?

Because I too have a giant ego.

Okay, but can you answer the question?

Maybe later

[rdrivera2005]

@rdrivera, why do you assume you will be lynched today or tomorrow?

@chaqa, why do you assume there is exactly one scum between Balki/Fox? I understand why you rule out SvS. Why do you rule out TvT?

Too many people scumread me and I am a liability going into mylo/lylo. I obviously will fight against being lynched and won't vote myself as I want to generate as much info as possible and also force scum to risk his necks to hang me.

[BunnyGo]

OK, I can confirm the following:

1) Rdr never wrote a word starting with "sul" or "bob" until:

Xorxes, Kgray, Balki... Why haven't you voted yet?

I'm waiting for emc to show up, I will vote for him or Chaqa.

I'm assuming pjandy will be subbed. If not, I might vote for him as well depending on how convincing his excuses sound.

I don't really want to start a wagon on Balki or rivera at this point because I'm too unsure about them.

I suppose I could vote for Bob if a wagon forms as well. His vote for me was ridiculous since he didn't even read what happened. "Too scummy to be scum" is the only saving grace, but that only buys him a wait and see.

The rest I don't think I'm inclined to vote for.

I can join a wagon on Bob. I know we shouldn't try to outguess the GMs but I can't avoid thinking that if Sulit was town we will just have a modkill.

I can also confirm that EMC said neither of their names ever (not too surprising given how involved he is).

I can confirm that Fox first mentioned either name on Day 3 as part of a vote summary. And didn't mention either outside of that or a quote until Day 4.

I have not confirmed that everyone else DID interact. I'm tired.

[BunnyGo]

Now to *FINALLY* look at previous EOD

[BunnyGo]

I have not caught up yet, and will not until I do that...gotta happen before this EOD.

[rdrivera2005]

I was planning on making a post that Rdrivera was playing this day exactly right if he was town, but then I notice him trying to take the heat off Balki/Fox, and according to the bot he changed his vote to Xorx???

Rdrivera, what happened to like, all the good stuff you were saying earlier in the day?

I started to think Fox x Balki could be town x town because both had chances to get the heat off, specially with easy other targets like me or EMC and they didn't.

And I scumread Xorxes since D2 and he slowly shading me with ridiculous reasons (and there is good reasons to vote me) make my read even stronger.

emc is not an easy target because he is not here and won't show up until EOD. He will become an easy target at EOD, but there's not much more we can do with him until then.

Which reasons against you that I brought up do you think are ridiculous, and what are the good reasons (besides the obvious one that you moved your vote off of Bob?)

The comparison you did between my first post in this game and another game is ridiculous. It's a semi joke and the usual way I start playing as any alignment and it really gives me pause that you brought that. The way you insisted that I should have thought HM misapplied the rules instead of the rules have burn changed is even worst.

I understand Flum voting me because of my vote pattern yesterday. Or because I also voted for Tem D1. Looking only at votes didn't give a good light to me. But if you look at my behavior you can't really say I have been scummy, and most of the people who played a lot with me can see that, but you.

[kgray]

@rdr why would voting for Tem be scummy now that we know worcej was also town?

[BunnyGo]

This is an interesting post. It came in a flurry of votes where Fox and Jamie voted Bob with no stated reasoning except "Let's make it closer".

Flum is not happening. I prefer emc or Bob over Chaqa.

##vote emc

I actually really dislike the Fox and Jamie posts around then on reread. Jamie's response to me asking about his vote, like I should remember everything for 30 pages is weird.

Wow, this is a very strange post by Bozo. Look familiar?

I prefer to see emc or Bob lynched over Chaqa.

##VOTE Bob

What's with prefering emc or Bob over Chaq, and then voting one with no reason?

[BunnyGo]

Now Jamie moves as:

##VOTE EMC to keep this as interesting as it is already proving.

Are we not looking to read you too Jamie?

Then I get on the EMC/Bob wagon:

I prefer to see emc or Bob lynched over Chaqa.

##VOTE Bob

Hmm, if it's EMC and Bob as my choice, then ##VOTE BOB.

Then Fox does this too...I really don't like hiding by claiming to shake things up:

##VOTE EMC

[BunnyGo]

Balki then pipes up that we should try a flash Fox wagon.

Then another post that he doesn't like any of the leading wagons.

He tries for quite a few posts to get something else going.

Then after Bozo posts that people should get on a viable wagon (calling out Balki specifically) Balki gets on a Fox vote to try...

Flum agrees with Balki but says he'll vote Bob if nothing changes.

I suggest an awesome book by an awesome math professor and writer (Jordan Ellenberg, read his stuff)

kgray comes in, says no counter wagons. Then votes emc for no reason given. This actually strikes me as possible noob scum. If we reread her eager and insightful questions as noob scum, the way I've been doing the same with Balki it might fit. Will have to do a closer reread of her.

Flum raises questions again to get a counter wagon, and Fox jumps to Chaq. Odd by both.

Balki claims his whole choice of Bob vs EMC is the "modkill town" meta. It's kinda .

[BunnyGo]

I suppose I need a post explaining my state of mind when reading this EOD:

In the last couple games, I've advocated that town has sucked. We have lots of UberMensches trying to out manipulate and SAVE THE DAY. Whereas scum has just had to "not do anything obviously stupid" and coast to a win (see: M52 where Fox was MVT as a scum by killing another scum team at night--after he'd been told which shots were safe...)

So while bussing is certainly possible, maybe even likely, I am not going to go down a huge hole of not even playing the base level correctly. I'm analyzing this EOD from the idea of "who makes posts that seem to be trying to save scum" and "who makes such posts with no reason of any kind clear" and "who is making noise".

Good town explain thoughts. Even bad thoughts. Because town HAS thoughts. Bad town tries to shake things up, play headgames, and hide themselves.

[BunnyGo]

As soon as Balki gets on Bob, Flum then says:

I'll stay on Chaq to not make a tie.

Then makes a tie by voting on Bob...actually, this seems probably towny? I don't think it's bussing.

[BunnyGo]

I genuinely don't want to die right now so ##vote bob

Sorry man

This post is INTERESTING.

Why the "sorry man"?

Why the "don't want to die" comment?

Of all the other posts I've seen, this is the only one that jumps out as possible bussing because of the seemingly inconsequential comments.

I wonder what Bob would have done if not for Aussie time zone issues.

[BunnyGo]

Then Chaq jumps back to EMC and says he scum reads Bob while doing so. I *really* don't like that move.

It's hedgy, tries to play all angles, but makes movement to EMC. Then Damo says "1 more switch needed".

[BunnyGo]

Summary:

Balki, Flum, Fox, Jamie, Chaq all have weird actions. While Flum and Balki ended on Bob, it was a very weird way there. Fox, Jamie, and Chaq come out looking awful.

kgray actually starts to look more like noob scum, than noob town. Her noob questions at the start gave off big towny vibes. But as they were just questions, could be either in retrospect. Then she's largely disappearing, and her weird EOD is quite bad.

EMC has the bussiest action.

Bozo has the most useless comments.

I don't see a particularly bad rdr. I still don't understand the case on him.

I actually think rdr is the LEAST scummy (looking at EOD3 only) of the EMC wagon. Damo pushed for late movement. Chaq DID late movement while hedging he thought Bob was scum. Jamie was all over just to cook up "action", Fox too. Kgray was downright weird, no explanation, and zeroed in on not Bob, and EMC has the record for most likely busser.

ok...now I'll catch up on today.

[BunnyGo]

I'm pretty okay with all of the big wagons right now, except rivera.

Xorxes, Balki, Fox are all good lynches. I'm wavering a bit on the Bunny vote.

##Vote xorxes, back to where I think we're most likely to find scum. Would also vote Balki or Fox.

Why Xorx?

I mean, it is really odd that people are focusing so much on the people who did vote to lynch scum 7-6 yesterday.

Yeah...I agree on this...