M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Fluminator]

Cop is dead. Godfather irrelevant
If killer dies the other mafia gain the kill

[Fluminator]

I think scum are killing people under no danger of being lynched in the future

Bad vote Chaqa, we don't worry about bussing quite yet.
Since people just think Chaqa is stupid instead of scum, I'll break from him for a bit.

##Vote Rdrivera

Can you explain this more if you haven't yet?

A mix between gut, meta, his thought progressions seeming fake, wagon/eod analysis, and associative tells with Bob.

I'll go expand more closer to eod unless I notice something else.

[Fluminator]

I think the only way EMC is scum is if he's patient zero.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Like, look at silly Foxy. He’s actually voting for me. Can this be real?

Foxy won’t tell us his Balki case. Does anyone else want to guess what it is?

Out of curiosity, do you recall a time as scum when a town player had a solid case on you that wasn't mostly speculative and largely driven by gut reaction?

Sure. Townies have cases on me for lots of different reasons. But if your point is that I’m a good scum player when I roll scum, I agree.

If this is your round about way of saying: “I just have a gut feeling now that Balki is scum. I can’t explain it.” Then just say that. But maybe also try to explain how and why your gut feeling has changed so dramatically, and think through whether it makes the most sense to lynch a Bob voter today.

[Fluminator]

Based on yesterday, the only 4 people who I think are acceptable lynches are Rdrivera, Fox, Chaqa, and EMC.

EMC in my eyes is much better than the other 3 so I won't vote him, but I won't shame town people who vote him.

[Foxcastle]

Like, look at silly Foxy. He’s actually voting for me. Can this be real?

Foxy won’t tell us his Balki case. Does anyone else want to guess what it is?

Out of curiosity, do you recall a time as scum when a town player had a solid case on you that wasn't mostly speculative and largely driven by gut reaction?

Sure. Townies have cases on me for lots of different reasons

Right. Lawyers. Let me rephrase.

Please describe multiple examples of townies correctly scumreading you for specific reasons that are not largely speculative or driven by “gut feelings”.

[xorxes]

Cop is dead. Godfather irrelevant
If killer dies the other mafia gain the kill

Exactly. The only "different" scum role at this point is patient zero, the other three are equal. Whether patient zero is more valuable than the others is debatable, it probably depends a lot more on who they are than on the role itself.

[Fluminator]

I might be willing to count that as a slight townslip by Damo and Jamiet

[BunnyGo]

I think the only way EMC is scum is if he's patient zero.

I think *that* may be the most valuable scum role right now, as it's easiest to hide and not know anything.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Right. Lawyers. Let me rephrase.

Please describe multiple examples of townies correctly scumreading you for specific reasons that are not largely speculative or driven by “gut feelings”.

I mean...

Why would I do this? It’s totally irrelevant. You want me to collect examples of people who were Town in games where I was Scum, who read me as Scum for concrete reasons? You can go do that if you want, but it sounds like a pointless exercise to me.

If you’re point is: “Balki is tough to read as scum.” I concede that. I agree. So, is your opinion now: “Balki is tough to read as scum so we should lynch him”? And can you explain how and why that changed from me being your top townread like one phase ago?

(I am getting the impression that Fox knows he is caught and does not want to interact elsewhere to avoid giving more info, but I am susceptible to confirmation bias right now).

[xorxes]

I might be willing to count that as a slight townslip by Damo and Jamiet

Could be, yes. Although it was already talked about in the thread.

[Fluminator]

ngl I've started skipping most Fox vs. Balki posts at this point.

[rdrivera2005]

Sorry. NOT bussing.

Omitted the 'not'.

Ok, a bit better. I confess I am playing a lot worst this game that my regular game. I wasn't factoring that only 2 scum know's Bob's alignment, so I agree it's unlikely both bussed. But I still think it's unlikely both voted emc, so this makes 1 on each the most likely configuration.

rdr's configuration comment here implies to me that he is either town or if he is scum there were 2 scum on EMC (rdr and kgray?).

Do you really think I will made this comment as scum if my scummate was also on Emc and with me likely to be lynched today? That's insulting....

[rdrivera2005]

I think scum are killing people under no danger of being lynched in the future

Bad vote Chaqa, we don't worry about bussing quite yet.
Since people just think Chaqa is stupid instead of scum, I'll break from him for a bit.

##Vote Rdrivera

Can you explain this more if you haven't yet?

A mix between gut, meta, his thought progressions seeming fake, wagon/eod analysis, and associative tells with Bob.

I'll go expand more closer to eod unless I notice something else.

Could you expand it before EOD so I have time to address it?

[Foxcastle]

ngl I've started skipping most Fox vs. Balki posts at this point.

To be fair, so have I.

[Foxcastle]

ngl I've started skipping most Fox vs. Balki posts at this point.

To be fair, so have I.

(This is a joke, BTW)

[rdrivera2005]

Based on yesterday, the only 4 people who I think are acceptable lynches are Rdrivera, Fox, Chaqa, and EMC.

EMC in my eyes is much better than the other 3 so I won't vote him, but I won't shame town people who vote him.

I agree with this, but also include kgray. She is flying under the radar a lot. My order is Fox>emc>Chaqa>kgray>>>>>>>>>me

[Chaqa]

Mornin peoples.

After thinking a bit about it, I think lynching EMC today is a bad idea. I've been reading the arguments about whether Bob was bussed, whether EMC is also scum, etc., and I just don't think it's the case now. EMC hasn't exactly been the most valuable player this game, and as someone pointed out, none of the mafia roles are *that much* more powerful/important at this point than any other.

It seems more likely that Occam's Razor is right and EMC is town and it was TvS. I still think at least one scum (IMO xorxes) was on Bob. The issue is, there's only two "knowing" scum left, so it's hard to build a team composition for them.

All things considered, I think Fox makes a lot of sense as a wagon today. He never voted Bob, is widely flying under the radar, lots of players have scumreads on him. His voting record on Day 3 is extremely suspicious as others have analyzed.

I actually think on Day 1, him moving to Temasek and then back off to worcej is petty suspicious. Something scum would do - "look, I fought against the Tem lynch!" as a possible future excuse.

I'd like to get some more thoughts on this. I think my vote today has to be either xorxes, Fox, or Bunny.

[Foxcastle]

All things considered, I think Fox makes a lot of sense as a wagon today. He ... is widely flying under the radar, lots of players have scumreads on him.

This is contradictory. One of these days, you're all going to learn that "flying under the radar" or "present but not present" or whatever you want to call it is just how I am as any alignment.

[Chaqa]

All things considered, I think Fox makes a lot of sense as a wagon today. He ... is widely flying under the radar, lots of players have scumreads on him.

This is contradictory. One of these days, you're all going to learn that "flying under the radar" or "present but not present" or whatever you want to call it is just how I am as any alignment.

I suppose I meant that, compared to the level of people scumreading you, you're accumulating very few votes. Contrast to me, who while also being widely scumread, has attracted a LOT of votes.

Tends to be a scum indicator IMO as your teammates will scum read but not vote for you, unless bussing.