M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[BunnyGo]

I think scum are killing people under no danger of being lynched in the future

Bad vote Chaqa, we don't worry about bussing quite yet.
Since people just think Chaqa is stupid instead of scum, I'll break from him for a bit.

##Vote Rdrivera

I'm not completely against a rivera vote, but I want to do a deeper dive into some VCA today. I would much prefer to vote for someone who was not on the Temasek wagon Day 1. One of these six, with brief reasoning until I expand on it later:
- xorxes - Possible Bob busser. Wasted Day 1 vote. Latecomer to Vecna hammer.
- EMC - Mainly informative. Clears up Day 3. Still strikes me as off.
- Fox - Widely scumread. Day 1 non-Tem voter and suspicious Day 3 actions.
- Balki - Surprisingly still alive. I also feel he is buddying me a bit.
- Flum - Obvscum
- Bunny - See mine and others Day 3 analysis, as well as his random Day 2 vote for bo.

Out of curiosity, why is NOT being on the Temasek wagon a scummy feature you want to vote on? Aren't there much better identifiers by now? This seems weird even for you.

This isn't to say any and all of those people listed have been scum read by some or many (and I'd be surprised if that entire list was town), but I don't understand why NOT voting to lynch our PR on day 1 is scummy.

[BunnyGo]

I think scum are killing people under no danger of being lynched in the future

Bad vote Chaqa, we don't worry about bussing quite yet.
Since people just think Chaqa is stupid instead of scum, I'll break from him for a bit.

##Vote Rdrivera

I'm not completely against a rivera vote, but I want to do a deeper dive into some VCA today. I would much prefer to vote for someone who was not on the Temasek wagon Day 1. One of these six, with brief reasoning until I expand on it later:
- xorxes - Possible Bob busser. Wasted Day 1 vote. Latecomer to Vecna hammer.
- EMC - Mainly informative. Clears up Day 3. Still strikes me as off.
- Fox - Widely scumread. Day 1 non-Tem voter and suspicious Day 3 actions.
- Balki - Surprisingly still alive. I also feel he is buddying me a bit.
- Flum - Obvscum
- Bunny - See mine and others Day 3 analysis, as well as his random Day 2 vote for bo.

Why?

That's much more succinct than I said it.

[BunnyGo]

I think scum are killing people under no danger of being lynched in the future

Bad vote Chaqa, we don't worry about bussing quite yet.
Since people just think Chaqa is stupid instead of scum, I'll break from him for a bit.

[][]Vote Rdrivera

I thought they would Kill me last night. And the fact that I am still alive makes me a bit concerned about my Fox read. Though, we still have Watcher alive, so dodging Watcher might be the reason.

Worcej was widely townread, and he cast an important vote last phase, so that kill makes sense.

You are lynchbait a lot in games Balki. I don't know if you're as untouchable as you think you are in the mafia's eyes.

I only say this because I've noticed a lot of your reads are under the assumption mafia would be afraid to scum read you, and I think that might be colouring at least one of your reads in an important way.

I realize this wasn't addressed to me, but I have no idea what you're saying.

[BunnyGo]

He provides the patient zero role post as evidence that "The scum team knows who you are", but the role post does not say that. Either BunnyGo was making an assumption that turned out to be true, or he was aware the scum team know the identity of patient zero because he is scum and was told the identity of patient zero. The fact that he seemed so sure and did not state the knowledge as an assumption is what I find suspicious.

##VOTE BunnyGo

The fact that I did state the absence of phrasing implies opposite (had it been nobody knows, they'd have said it) and you've willingly ignored it again and again is annoying at this point.

[BunnyGo]

Oooh. I was already suspicious of Bunny but this is juicy. I'll tentatively join you until I re-read this stuff.

##Vote BunnyGo

I strongly suggest you actually read it...it's mostly his baloney and refusal to think. There are better cases to be made on literally everyone in this game.

[BunnyGo]

Smart scum team would bus a (relatively) scummy/obvious player to gain town cred. I've done it before. So has rivera. So has xorxes.

rdrivera placing an early vote on a teammate is definitely consistent with his tendency to bus. I do not know if I have ever seen xorxes start a wagon on a teammate before, and xorxes tends to avoided bussing, but he has done it occasionally. BunnyGo has not previously been scum in any of his games here, so I have no idea about his bussing tendencies, but as I have pointed out, I think he could have been bussing Bob. The reason I think BunnyGo could have been bussing is the timing of his vote. Shortly after arguing against a Bob lynch, BunnyGo voted for Bob as soon as Bob was the lead wagon by 2 votes, 6-4, over Chaqa.

He took it from 5-4 to 6-3.

Case in point again, bozo is tunneling me so hard not a single *fact* of his stated is correct.

[BunnyGo]

rdrivera placing an early vote on a teammate is definitely consistent with his tendency to bus. I do not know if I have ever seen xorxes start a wagon on a teammate before, and xorxes tends to avoided bussing, but he has done it occasionally. BunnyGo has not previously been scum in any of his games here, so I have no idea about his bussing tendencies, but as I have pointed out, I think he could have been bussing Bob. The reason I think BunnyGo could have been bussing is the timing of his vote. Shortly after arguing against a Bob lynch, BunnyGo voted for Bob as soon as Bob was the lead wagon by 2 votes, 6-4, over Chaqa.

He took it from 5-4 to 6-3.

That is the way it looks on the bot because Jamie switched his vote from Bob to emc in the previous post, but in real time those 2 votes showed up simultaneously, so I do not think there is much of a chance BunnyGo saw Jamie's vote switch before voting for Bob. I was waiting to see if BunnyGo would bring that up.

Wasn't going to, haven't reread the EOD yet. Will do analysis on it when I have time.

[BunnyGo]

Mainly I recall you rolling town PR in like 12/15 games or something crazy like that.

M6 – Vig
M7 – Cop
M8 – Investigator
M10 – Medium
M12 – Cop
M15 – VT!
M16 – Ninja
M19 – Veteran (But this was a role madness game)
M23 – Parity Cop
M26 – Replaced in
M30 – Investigator
M33 – Tracker
M34 – Replaced In
M1006 – Oracle

11/12 games lol

Can we stop with the old games about nothing relevant?

[BunnyGo]

I wish there was an easy way to find out who had what role in what past game, other than going through the bot, opening each game, see who was playing and somehow find out their role. There must be a way, because some people do it very quicky. Is there some way of doing it that I don't know of?

An index of GOD threads would help. If you log into QT, sometimes they show you a list of the last QTs that you've used. Maybe that is a quick way?

I have all the QTs going back to Mafia 1 in my account. I coiuld make a list.

AAAAAHHHHHH ENough!! Let's play this game.

[BunnyGo]

Ha! I found something interesting. M51 was rivera's last scum game (if I searched correctly). This was his opening post:

First decent post, with 9 Female characters Jack can win on N5 (not likely, but still possible), so having Jekill/Hide alive for some days is probably best for town.

Vecna style is really annoying as I don't understand half the things he writes.

This was his opening post this game:

That's a really interesting question, probably the only relevant one until now.

And hi to all by the way.

I knew it reminded me of something, and this is what it was. It was noticeable because I very rarely get a good review from rivera like that. When he is town he is very critical of everything I do.

At least this reference to an old game is relevant...

[BunnyGo]

And, for what it's worth, I don't really think Chaqa is scum at this point. I just don't see scum-bob coming into the game and voting for his teammate like that. Bob's vote put Chaqa into second place.

This is an excellent point.

[BunnyGo]

Hmmm, maybe brain was right about Jamiet

Why?

[BunnyGo]

Tinfoil: Jamiet-rivera-xorxes for three scum including the mystery one?

Where is this coming from?

[BunnyGo]

Bozo, can you compile the case for me on bunnygo? I haven't been reading posts about scum-bunny too closely, and don't want to search for them.

So far I've only got it "looks like he might have bussed"

Reading comprehension: Can draw the inference that if they say "A does not know B" and nowhere comment on whether B knows A scum!Bunny draws the conclusion that they would have written "A and B don't know each other" if that were the case. Obv scum! Town!Bunny would NEVER EVER DO SUCH A THING!!

I think that was his case for the first 2 days, I really never saw anything else.

[BunnyGo]

Although Bob/sulit's iso was pretty sparse, I looked at every other player's ISO in their engagement with Bob, and interestingly, almost every player directly engaged with or asked Bob a question except for 3 people.

Fox, Rdrivera, and EMC.

It's not a slam dunk, but usually it's what people don't do with their partners that is more telling than what they do do.
The fact it overlaps with the people who had sketchy eod voting is interesting.

Will be double checking this, but that's interesting.

What about their EOD was sketchy? (I still haven't reviewed it)

[BunnyGo]

@kgray having read your ISO on me I'm confused about my own alignment lol.

I am floundering which your post kind of proves.

However, worcej flipping town as I suspected he would does make my Flum/emc hypothesis kind of interesting.

Another hypothesis: There are 2 scum who knew Bob's alignment so most unlikely (imo) that they were both bussing Bob therfore (from MPOV) there must be AT LEAST ONE SCUM in {rdr, Jamie, kgray, fox, Chaqa, Damo}

Of these I townread Jamie Fox and kgray (in that order).

##vote rdr

Jesus christ, Damo. At least have the courtesy to include yourself in the list. I've corrected it above, and it makes you look really sketchy.

[BunnyGo]

Were you so angry you nightkilled one of us? Is that the true motive? Is Bozo correct on you?

Not I. But I would lay good odds that was the scum's motive.

What? You can't possibly believe that...?

He jokes with me...I joke with him...

[BunnyGo]

Were you so angry you nightkilled one of us? Is that the true motive? Is Bozo correct on you?

Not I. But I would lay good odds that was the scum's motive.

Haven't read anything recent by Bozo, but as usual I fully believe that he exemplifies nominative determinism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_determinism). So whatever he says is usually not correct.

Now I'm gonna go catch up. Won't be answering more questions for a while.

Are you disparaging clowns?

No, I used to dress up as a clown on weekends for childrens hospitals when I was younger.

But the connotation of the name is still in the zeitgeist.

[BunnyGo]

OK, I think I'm caught up since EON. Now to sleep, my biological alarm clocks will be waking me in 6 hours...

[damo666]

@kgray having read your ISO on me I'm confused about my own alignment lol.

I am floundering which your post kind of proves.

However, worcej flipping town as I suspected he would does make my Flum/emc hypothesis kind of interesting.

Another hypothesis: There are 2 scum who knew Bob's alignment so most unlikely (imo) that they were both bussing Bob therfore (from MPOV) there must be AT LEAST ONE SCUM in {rdr, Jamie, kgray, fox, Chaqa}

Of these I townread Jamie Fox and kgray (in that order).

##vote rdr

I really don't understand your logic specially this part: "There are 2 scum who knew Bob's alignment so most unlikely (imo) that they were both bussing Bob therfore".
What the hell this means?

Sorry. NOT bussing.

Omitted the 'not'.