M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Fluminator]

Remember that time I cop scanned you as guilty and got you lynched.
Or the time you fearkilled me, and I was an oracle and revealed you as scum?

Good times.

Also remember all the times I defended you when you were town getting lynched.

Also good times.

[Chaqa]

Remember that time I cop scanned you as guilty and got you lynched.
Or the time you fearkilled me, and I was an oracle and revealed you as scum?

Good times.

Also remember all the times I defended you when you were town getting lynched.

Also good times.

Who is this directed at?

[Fluminator]

I meant to quote you

[Chaqa]

Mainly I recall you rolling town PR in like 12/15 games or something crazy like that.

[xorxes]

rdrivera placing an early vote on a teammate is definitely consistent with his tendency to bus. I do not know if I have ever seen xorxes start a wagon on a teammate before, and xorxes tends to avoided bussing, but he has done it occasionally. BunnyGo has not previously been scum in any of his games here, so I have no idea about his bussing tendencies, but as I have pointed out, I think he could have been bussing Bob. The reason I think BunnyGo could have been bussing is the timing of his vote. Shortly after arguing against a Bob lynch, BunnyGo voted for Bob as soon as Bob was the lead wagon by 2 votes, 6-4, over Chaqa.

He took it from 5-4 to 6-3.

That is the way it looks on the bot because Jamie switched his vote from Bob to emc in the previous post, but in real time those 2 votes showed up simultaneously, so I do not think there is much of a chance BunnyGo saw Jamie's vote switch before voting for Bob. I was waiting to see if BunnyGo would bring that up.

OK, so from his POV he was taking it from 6-4 to 7-3, with half an hour left. It could be a bus, but it seems unnecessary,

[xorxes]

How on Earth do you guys lynched Vecna? And who changed the rule on hammering? It was forever majority voting both on the biggest wagon and to hammer. Even the bot count this way.

Now I will read the last 20 pages.

@rivera, when you posted this, how did you know that the rule on hammering was not what you expected if you had not read the last 20 pages yet, where that rule was discussed?

I looked at the bot to see the vote count. The day has ended, there were 9 end votes and the high end votes are 6 on Vecna.

It's still strange that you assumed someone had changed the rule on hammering instead of assuming that the rule you thought was in place was misapplied.

[rdrivera2005]

Why do you think Bob was Bussed?

Smart scum team would bus a (relatively) scummy/obvious player to gain town cred. I've done it before. So has rivera. So has xorxes.

rdrivera placing an early vote on a teammate is definitely consistent with his tendency to bus. I do not know if I have ever seen xorxes start a wagon on a teammate before, and xorxes tends to avoided bussing, but he has done it occasionally. BunnyGo has not previously been scum in any of his games here, so I have no idea about his bussing tendencies, but as I have pointed out, I think he could have been bussing Bob. The reason I think BunnyGo could have been bussing is the timing of his vote. Shortly after arguing against a Bob lynch, BunnyGo voted for Bob as soon as Bob was the lead wagon by 2 votes, 6-4, over Chaqa.

If I were scum I would have bussed Bob until the end and a lot harder....

[rdrivera2005]

Smart scum team would bus a (relatively) scummy/obvious player to gain town cred. I've done it before. So has rivera. So has xorxes.

I think we can only be sure of this when emc flips, but I believe there were one or two people bussing. But this still gives a better probability to find scum on emc wagon.

This is not a logically correct statement. If you think there were 1 or 2 people bussing, that means you think there were 1 or 2 people not bussing (not counting Bob). That would imply that there is an equal probability of finding scum on emc's wagon.

Emc wagon is smaller and on my POV it's even more likely as I know I am not scum (and I think 1 busser not counting the Traitor is the most likely).

[Fluminator]

Mainly I recall you rolling town PR in like 12/15 games or something crazy like that.

M6 – Vig
M7 – Cop
M8 – Investigator
M10 – Medium
M12 – Cop
M15 – VT!
M16 – Ninja
M19 – Veteran (But this was a role madness game)
M23 – Parity Cop
M26 – Replaced in
M30 – Investigator
M33 – Tracker
M34 – Replaced In
M1006 – Oracle

11/12 games lol

Smart scum team would bus a (relatively) scummy/obvious player to gain town cred. I've done it before. So has rivera. So has xorxes.

rdrivera placing an early vote on a teammate is definitely consistent with his tendency to bus. I do not know if I have ever seen xorxes start a wagon on a teammate before, and xorxes tends to avoided bussing, but he has done it occasionally. BunnyGo has not previously been scum in any of his games here, so I have no idea about his bussing tendencies, but as I have pointed out, I think he could have been bussing Bob. The reason I think BunnyGo could have been bussing is the timing of his vote. Shortly after arguing against a Bob lynch, BunnyGo voted for Bob as soon as Bob was the lead wagon by 2 votes, 6-4, over Chaqa.

If I were scum I would have bussed Bob until the end and a lot harder....

Why? What would be the benefits of bussing in that situation?

[rdrivera2005]

@rivera, when you posted this, how did you know that the rule on hammering was not what you expected if you had not read the last 20 pages yet, where that rule was discussed?

I looked at the bot to see the vote count. The day has ended, there were 9 end votes and the high end votes are 6 on Vecna.

It's still strange that you assumed someone had changed the rule on hammering instead of assuming that the rule you thought was in place was misapplied.

How it can be misapplied? And the bot shows who voted end with a * if you didn't saw. And I saw the GM final vote count before posting.

And finally, what's your point?

[rdrivera2005]

Mainly I recall you rolling town PR in like 12/15 games or something crazy like that.

M6 – Vig
M7 – Cop
M8 – Investigator
M10 – Medium
M12 – Cop
M15 – VT!
M16 – Ninja
M19 – Veteran (But this was a role madness game)
M23 – Parity Cop
M26 – Replaced in
M30 – Investigator
M33 – Tracker
M34 – Replaced In
M1006 – Oracle

11/12 games lol

rdrivera placing an early vote on a teammate is definitely consistent with his tendency to bus. I do not know if I have ever seen xorxes start a wagon on a teammate before, and xorxes tends to avoided bussing, but he has done it occasionally. BunnyGo has not previously been scum in any of his games here, so I have no idea about his bussing tendencies, but as I have pointed out, I think he could have been bussing Bob. The reason I think BunnyGo could have been bussing is the timing of his vote. Shortly after arguing against a Bob lynch, BunnyGo voted for Bob as soon as Bob was the lead wagon by 2 votes, 6-4, over Chaqa.

If I were scum I would have bussed Bob until the end and a lot harder....

Why? What would be the benefits of bussing in that situation?

Get town credit and not be under scrutiny like I am now?

[Fluminator]

Doesn't that only work if you know he's getting lynched?

[xorxes]

I looked at the bot to see the vote count. The day has ended, there were 9 end votes and the high end votes are 6 on Vecna.

It's still strange that you assumed someone had changed the rule on hammering instead of assuming that the rule you thought was in place was misapplied.

How it can be misapplied? And the bot shows who voted end with a * if you didn't saw. And I saw the GM final vote count before posting.

And finally, what's your point?

Misapplied as in used the wrong rule.

The point is that if you are scum then it is possible you were lurking, you were perfectly aware of what was going on, but then you showed up after the fact with rightful indignation pretending you didn't know the rule so you did not have to admit you were partly responsible.

[Jamiet99uk]

@rivera, when you posted this, how did you know that the rule on hammering was not what you expected if you had not read the last 20 pages yet, where that rule was discussed?

I looked at the bot to see the vote count. The day has ended, there were 9 end votes and the high end votes are 6 on Vecna.

It's still strange that you assumed someone had changed the rule on hammering instead of assuming that the rule you thought was in place was misapplied.

Seriously Xorxes?

You think someone logging in and seeing that had happened would me most likely to immediately think "oh, the GMs must have got the rules all wrong and ended the phase by mistake" ?

Firstly that's rather insulting to our present GMs, and second of all, I'm not inclined to agree.

[Jamiet99uk]

* be most likely

[xorxes]

I looked at the bot to see the vote count. The day has ended, there were 9 end votes and the high end votes are 6 on Vecna.

It's still strange that you assumed someone had changed the rule on hammering instead of assuming that the rule you thought was in place was misapplied.

Seriously Xorxes?

You think someone logging in and seeing that had happened would me most likely to immediately think "oh, the GMs must have got the rules all wrong and ended the phase by mistake" ?

Firstly that's rather insulting to our present GMs, and second of all, I'm not inclined to agree.

I would make sure to check what the rules actually were before reacting in any way. Different people will react in different ways. rivera apparently reacted by being surprized that someone had changed the rules.

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE EMC

[rdrivera2005]

It's still strange that you assumed someone had changed the rule on hammering instead of assuming that the rule you thought was in place was misapplied.

How it can be misapplied? And the bot shows who voted end with a * if you didn't saw. And I saw the GM final vote count before posting.

And finally, what's your point?

Misapplied as in used the wrong rule.

The point is that if you are scum then it is possible you were lurking, you were perfectly aware of what was going on, but then you showed up after the fact with rightful indignation pretending you didn't know the rule so you did not have to admit you were partly responsible.

First, I admitted my responsibility on end voting without checking the rules. And second, have you ever seen I fake indignation before? This isn't something I do, because I just don't know how to do it.

[rdrivera2005]

It's still strange that you assumed someone had changed the rule on hammering instead of assuming that the rule you thought was in place was misapplied.

Seriously Xorxes?

You think someone logging in and seeing that had happened would me most likely to immediately think "oh, the GMs must have got the rules all wrong and ended the phase by mistake" ?

Firstly that's rather insulting to our present GMs, and second of all, I'm not inclined to agree.

I would make sure to check what the rules actually were before reacting in any way. Different people will react in different ways. rivera apparently reacted by being surprized that someone had changed the rules.

I wasn't annoyed with the rule change, but with dumb people lynching Vecna. And your lack of reaction on it still give me a lot of suspect about you.

[xorxes]

How it can be misapplied? And the bot shows who voted end with a * if you didn't saw. And I saw the GM final vote count before posting.

And finally, what's your point?

Misapplied as in used the wrong rule.

The point is that if you are scum then it is possible you were lurking, you were perfectly aware of what was going on, but then you showed up after the fact with rightful indignation pretending you didn't know the rule so you did not have to admit you were partly responsible.

First, I admitted my responsibility on end voting without checking the rules. And second, have you ever seen I fake indignation before? This isn't something I do, because I just don't know how to do it.

I don't really know the answer to that. Do you remember what your last scum games were?