M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[xorxes]

How on Earth do you guys lynched Vecna? And who changed the rule on hammering? It was forever majority voting both on the biggest wagon and to hammer. Even the bot count this way.

Now I will read the last 20 pages.

@rivera, when you posted this, how did you know that the rule on hammering was not what you expected if you had not read the last 20 pages yet, where that rule was discussed?

I looked at the bot to see the vote count. The day has ended, there were 9 end votes and the high end votes are 6 on Vecna.

OK, that checks out. The bot says there were 9/16 end votes but I count only 8. Does anyone know what's up with that? Am I stupidly miscounting, or what?

[xorxes]

##Vote xorxes

Jives with my Bob was bussed theory.

Why do you think Bob was Bussed?

Smart scum team would bus a (relatively) scummy/obvious player to gain town cred. I've done it before. So has rivera. So has xorxes.

When have I done that (not denying it, just trying to remember)?

[Fluminator]

It's really not normal after a close scum lynch, to hunt and vote for potential bussers first thing lol.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I only say this because I've noticed a lot of your reads are under the assumption mafia would be afraid to scum read you, and I think that might be colouring at least one of your reads in an important way.

Yes, you may be right about this. I'm aware of it, and not sure about it, for what that's worth.

[xorxes]

I think scum are killing people under no danger of being lynched in the future

Bad vote Chaqa, we don't worry about bussing quite yet.
Since people just think Chaqa is stupid instead of scum, I'll break from him for a bit.

[][]Vote Rdrivera

I thought they would Kill me last night. And the fact that I am still alive makes me a bit concerned about my Fox read. Though, we still have Watcher alive, so dodging Watcher might be the reason.

Worcej was widely townread, and he cast an important vote last phase, so that kill makes sense.

Tend to agree. On the "why are they still alive" scale, xorxes and Flum are higher than you.

Is that because we're far better players? Just to make sure that's what you're saying.

[Balki Bartokomous]

It's really not normal after a close scum lynch, to hunt and vote for potential bussers first thing lol.

+1

[Balki Bartokomous]

I think we can only be sure of this when emc flips, but I believe there were one or two people bussing. But this still gives a better probability to find scum on emc wagon.

I mean, there are only 3 scum left, and only 2 of them knew for sure that Bob was scum.

7-6 vote, decided late, in a game where no scum had flipped, where most people were not committed to either wagon until late.

I bet there were no bussers. But 1 at the most.

[bozotheclown]

##Vote xorxes

Jives with my Bob was bussed theory.

Why do you think Bob was Bussed?

Smart scum team would bus a (relatively) scummy/obvious player to gain town cred. I've done it before. So has rivera. So has xorxes.

rdrivera placing an early vote on a teammate is definitely consistent with his tendency to bus. I do not know if I have ever seen xorxes start a wagon on a teammate before, and xorxes tends to avoided bussing, but he has done it occasionally. BunnyGo has not previously been scum in any of his games here, so I have no idea about his bussing tendencies, but as I have pointed out, I think he could have been bussing Bob. The reason I think BunnyGo could have been bussing is the timing of his vote. Shortly after arguing against a Bob lynch, BunnyGo voted for Bob as soon as Bob was the lead wagon by 2 votes, 6-4, over Chaqa.

[Chaqa]

Why do you think Bob was Bussed?

Smart scum team would bus a (relatively) scummy/obvious player to gain town cred. I've done it before. So has rivera. So has xorxes.

When have I done that (not denying it, just trying to remember)?

There was a game where you and I were scum together, I think. I'd have to go back and look to find the exact game, but it might even be pre-peterbot.

[Chaqa]

I thought they would Kill me last night. And the fact that I am still alive makes me a bit concerned about my Fox read. Though, we still have Watcher alive, so dodging Watcher might be the reason.

Worcej was widely townread, and he cast an important vote last phase, so that kill makes sense.

Tend to agree. On the "why are they still alive" scale, xorxes and Flum are higher than you.

Is that because we're far better players? Just to make sure that's what you're saying.

I think despite me thinking he's wrong, Flum seems like one of the more towny people. You have a reputation for being a good player. Balki, though he does have that reputation, it wouldn't be as known to the newer players since he's been gone for awhile.

[bozotheclown]

@rivera, when you posted this, how did you know that the rule on hammering was not what you expected if you had not read the last 20 pages yet, where that rule was discussed?

I looked at the bot to see the vote count. The day has ended, there were 9 end votes and the high end votes are 6 on Vecna.

OK, that checks out. The bot says there were 9/16 end votes but I count only 8. Does anyone know what's up with that? Am I stupidly miscounting, or what?

Vecna was the ninth. For some reason the bot does not show him voting for himself under "Vote Count Day 2", but does show it in the "Vote Tracker".

[xorxes]

Why do you think Bob was Bussed?

Smart scum team would bus a (relatively) scummy/obvious player to gain town cred. I've done it before. So has rivera. So has xorxes.

rdrivera placing an early vote on a teammate is definitely consistent with his tendency to bus. I do not know if I have ever seen xorxes start a wagon on a teammate before, and xorxes tends to avoided bussing, but he has done it occasionally. BunnyGo has not previously been scum in any of his games here, so I have no idea about his bussing tendencies, but as I have pointed out, I think he could have been bussing Bob. The reason I think BunnyGo could have been bussing is the timing of his vote. Shortly after arguing against a Bob lynch, BunnyGo voted for Bob as soon as Bob was the lead wagon by 2 votes, 6-4, over Chaqa.

He took it from 5-4 to 6-3.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Is that because we're far better players? Just to make sure that's what you're saying.

I think despite me thinking he's wrong, Flum seems like one of the more towny people. You have a reputation for being a good player. Balki, though he does have that reputation, it wouldn't be as known to the newer players since he's been gone for awhile.

Yeah but who's better? WHO'S BETTER?!

[xorxes]

I looked at the bot to see the vote count. The day has ended, there were 9 end votes and the high end votes are 6 on Vecna.

OK, that checks out. The bot says there were 9/16 end votes but I count only 8. Does anyone know what's up with that? Am I stupidly miscounting, or what?

Vecna was the ninth. For some reason the bot does not show him voting for himself under "Vote Count Day 2", but does show it in the "Vote Tracker".

Ah, you're right.

[Fluminator]

Tend to agree. On the "why are they still alive" scale, xorxes and Flum are higher than you.

Is that because we're far better players? Just to make sure that's what you're saying.

I think despite me thinking he's wrong, Flum seems like one of the more towny people. You have a reputation for being a good player. Balki, though he does have that reputation, it wouldn't be as known to the newer players since he's been gone for awhile.

Yeet, I'm no longer obvscum to you like I was a page ago
I think you're doing this on purpose now to dilute the effects of earlier ones.

[bozotheclown]

Why do you think Bob was Bussed?

Smart scum team would bus a (relatively) scummy/obvious player to gain town cred. I've done it before. So has rivera. So has xorxes.

I think we can only be sure of this when emc flips, but I believe there were one or two people bussing. But this still gives a better probability to find scum on emc wagon.

This is not a logically correct statement. If you think there were 1 or 2 people bussing, that means you think there were 1 or 2 people not bussing (not counting Bob). That would imply that there is an equal probability of finding scum on emc's wagon.

[Chaqa]

Is that because we're far better players? Just to make sure that's what you're saying.

I think despite me thinking he's wrong, Flum seems like one of the more towny people. You have a reputation for being a good player. Balki, though he does have that reputation, it wouldn't be as known to the newer players since he's been gone for awhile.

Yeah but who's better? WHO'S BETTER?!

TBH I think the best players we have are Tom and Bozo.

[Chaqa]

Is that because we're far better players? Just to make sure that's what you're saying.

I think despite me thinking he's wrong, Flum seems like one of the more towny people. You have a reputation for being a good player. Balki, though he does have that reputation, it wouldn't be as known to the newer players since he's been gone for awhile.

Yeet, I'm no longer obvscum to you like I was a page ago
I think you're doing this on purpose now to dilute the effects of earlier ones.

lol I still think you're obv scum (hence "despite me thinking he's wrong"). I was talking from the perspective of other players, just didn't make that explicitly clear, but if you follow the discussion with xorxes it should make sense.

[Jamiet99uk]

##Gm note
reminder that threats of violence is probably a bad idea when our mafia games are no longer hidden. lets try to keep it gucci folks

I apologize. I meant it figuratively, but it was not the right thing to say.

Do not worry brainbomb. Firstly, I did not interpret it as a threat; as Balki said it was simply a figurative way of saying "you're annoying". Secondly, if it was meant as a threat, I'd like to see him try. I'm a strong boi.

[bozotheclown]

Smart scum team would bus a (relatively) scummy/obvious player to gain town cred. I've done it before. So has rivera. So has xorxes.

rdrivera placing an early vote on a teammate is definitely consistent with his tendency to bus. I do not know if I have ever seen xorxes start a wagon on a teammate before, and xorxes tends to avoided bussing, but he has done it occasionally. BunnyGo has not previously been scum in any of his games here, so I have no idea about his bussing tendencies, but as I have pointed out, I think he could have been bussing Bob. The reason I think BunnyGo could have been bussing is the timing of his vote. Shortly after arguing against a Bob lynch, BunnyGo voted for Bob as soon as Bob was the lead wagon by 2 votes, 6-4, over Chaqa.

He took it from 5-4 to 6-3.

That is the way it looks on the bot because Jamie switched his vote from Bob to emc in the previous post, but in real time those 2 votes showed up simultaneously, so I do not think there is much of a chance BunnyGo saw Jamie's vote switch before voting for Bob. I was waiting to see if BunnyGo would bring that up.