M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[e.m.c^42]

Trash at vote analysis so will just comment on other people rather than making own.

[BunnyGo]

It also seemed to me that BunnyGo was bussing Bob when Bob became the lead wagon.

If by "bussing" you mean "trying to decide on which leading wagon I liked the most" and explain my thoughts? Then yes, I absolutely was.

No, I mean it seemed like you only showed interest in lynching Bob after he became the lead wagon, as if maybe you are his scum partner.

Ok, but there were 3 wagons that all could be leading when I jumped. Yes, I changed my mind. But as I said to Jamie, I was trying hard to find my scummiest read on them and was quickly trying to reread and rethink all of them.

[bozotheclown]

Watching his stream of conscious go from not wanting to lynch Bob, to convincing himself Bob is scum during eod long before Bob was a certain lynch would be very hard to fake, and completely unnecessary and counterproductive if he was on the scum team.

+1

Also, I think it's reasonable for people to have rapidly changing views about a person like Bob at that stage. I mean, there really wasn't much to learn from Bob's ISO, and we were all sort of forced to think hard about Bob there at the end when the wagons got tight and the end became near. I expect everyone to be thinking hard about that, and wouldn't be surprised to see sincere opinions changing under that pressure.

Not only did BunnyGo change his town read of Bob to a scum read in 8 minutes, he changed his scum read of Chaqa to a town read in the same time frame. The only thing to make him change his mind during that time were other vote changes.

[BunnyGo]

<snip>
At the risk of sketching out Bunnygo by saying this, I think he's pretty confirmed town at this point tbh

Yeah...stop pocketing me...

[BunnyGo]

Watching his stream of conscious go from not wanting to lynch Bob, to convincing himself Bob is scum during eod long before Bob was a certain lynch would be very hard to fake, and completely unnecessary and counterproductive if he was on the scum team.

+1

Also, I think it's reasonable for people to have rapidly changing views about a person like Bob at that stage. I mean, there really wasn't much to learn from Bob's ISO, and we were all sort of forced to think hard about Bob there at the end when the wagons got tight and the end became near. I expect everyone to be thinking hard about that, and wouldn't be surprised to see sincere opinions changing under that pressure.

Not only did BunnyGo change his town read of Bob to a scum read in 8 minutes, he changed his scum read of Chaqa to a town read in the same time frame. The only thing to make him change his mind during that time were other vote changes.

If that's all your getting from me trying to post my state of mind, then you aren't reading.

[bozotheclown]

If by "bussing" you mean "trying to decide on which leading wagon I liked the most" and explain my thoughts? Then yes, I absolutely was.

No, I mean it seemed like you only showed interest in lynching Bob after he became the lead wagon, as if maybe you are his scum partner.

Ok, but there were 3 wagons that all could be leading when I jumped. Yes, I changed my mind. But as I said to Jamie, I was trying hard to find my scummiest read on them and was quickly trying to reread and rethink all of them.

Bob was already up by 2 votes when you jumped, you could not put anyone else in the lead.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Watching his stream of conscious go from not wanting to lynch Bob, to convincing himself Bob is scum during eod long before Bob was a certain lynch would be very hard to fake, and completely unnecessary and counterproductive if he was on the scum team.

He only convinced himself Bob was a good lynch after Bob was already leading by 2 votes, then after making a strong scum read of Bob, he was committed to the Bob lynch.

But this is a reasonable point too. I have to go back and read, but I'll keep this in mind when I do.

[Chaqa]

Watching his stream of conscious go from not wanting to lynch Bob, to convincing himself Bob is scum during eod long before Bob was a certain lynch would be very hard to fake, and completely unnecessary and counterproductive if he was on the scum team.

+1

Also, I think it's reasonable for people to have rapidly changing views about a person like Bob at that stage. I mean, there really wasn't much to learn from Bob's ISO, and we were all sort of forced to think hard about Bob there at the end when the wagons got tight and the end became near. I expect everyone to be thinking hard about that, and wouldn't be surprised to see sincere opinions changing under that pressure.

Not only did BunnyGo change his town read of Bob to a scum read in 8 minutes, he changed his scum read of Chaqa to a town read in the same time frame. The only thing to make him change his mind during that time were other vote changes.

Bunny did specify he changed his read on me after realizing he's never played with scum!Chaqa and I always play like this (in his words)

[bozotheclown]

+1

Also, I think it's reasonable for people to have rapidly changing views about a person like Bob at that stage. I mean, there really wasn't much to learn from Bob's ISO, and we were all sort of forced to think hard about Bob there at the end when the wagons got tight and the end became near. I expect everyone to be thinking hard about that, and wouldn't be surprised to see sincere opinions changing under that pressure.

Not only did BunnyGo change his town read of Bob to a scum read in 8 minutes, he changed his scum read of Chaqa to a town read in the same time frame. The only thing to make him change his mind during that time were other vote changes.

If that's all your getting from me trying to post my state of mind, then you aren't reading.

I read very closely, no matter how you justify it, I find your rapid read changes suspicious.

[bozotheclown]

+1

Also, I think it's reasonable for people to have rapidly changing views about a person like Bob at that stage. I mean, there really wasn't much to learn from Bob's ISO, and we were all sort of forced to think hard about Bob there at the end when the wagons got tight and the end became near. I expect everyone to be thinking hard about that, and wouldn't be surprised to see sincere opinions changing under that pressure.

Not only did BunnyGo change his town read of Bob to a scum read in 8 minutes, he changed his scum read of Chaqa to a town read in the same time frame. The only thing to make him change his mind during that time were other vote changes.

Bunny did specify he changed his read on me after realizing he's never played with scum!Chaqa and I always play like this (in his words)

If he has never seen you play as scum, why would he know you do not play that was as scum also?

[bozotheclown]

<snip>
At the risk of sketching out Bunnygo by saying this, I think he's pretty confirmed town at this point tbh

Yeah...stop pocketing me...

I would like to know why Fluminator thinks you are confirmed town.

[bozotheclown]

Flum is not happening. I prefer emc or Bob over Chaqa.

##vote emc

You had been voting for Bob before voting for Fluminator, why did you switch to emc?

[e.m.c^42]

Is this a misread, or is Flum townreading Bungo for similar thing that he scumread Chaqa for?

[e.m.c^42]

Is this a misread, or is Flum townreading Bungo for similar thing that he scumread Chaqa for?

Moving reads as EOD drew near.

[Chaqa]

Not only did BunnyGo change his town read of Bob to a scum read in 8 minutes, he changed his scum read of Chaqa to a town read in the same time frame. The only thing to make him change his mind during that time were other vote changes.

Bunny did specify he changed his read on me after realizing he's never played with scum!Chaqa and I always play like this (in his words)

If he has never seen you play as scum, why would he know you do not play that was as scum also?

I cannot speak for the Energizer Bunny.

[Fluminator]

There's a difference between watching someone change their reads in realtime, and someone forgetting their reads under pressure.

[Chaqa]

Is this a misread, or is Flum townreading Bungo for similar thing that he scumread Chaqa for?

Moving reads as EOD drew near.

It's like I said - Fluminator especially decided I was scum and is deciding everything I do within that lens. Definition of tunneling.

[Chaqa]

There's a difference between watching someone change their reads in realtime, and someone forgetting their reads under pressure.

That's my secret... I'm always forgetting.

[Balki Bartokomous]

By my count, we have two free mislynches left. I would not waste one on EMC purely for information. Though, the info would be an added bonus to lynching EMC.

That said, just with how hectic and dynamic that EOD was, it just felt like Town vs. Scum to me. It felt like it was important to people, despite two pretty null slots in terms of content. I think I'm a pretty likely NK choice tonight, so I will do my best to put in time to re-read and post my thoughts before the night ends.

[Chaqa]

By my count, we have two free mislynches left. I would not waste one on EMC purely for information. Though, the info would be an added bonus to lynching EMC.

That said, just with how hectic and dynamic that EOD was, it just felt like Town vs. Scum to me. It felt like it was important to people, despite two pretty null slots in terms of content. I think I'm a pretty likely NK choice tonight, so I will do my best to put in time to re-read and post my thoughts before the night ends.

I don't know... thinking over it some more, the fact we lynched the Goon is interesting to me. What if EMC is actually a more valuable mafia role?

We'll have twelve players alive for Day 4, at 9-3.

Mislynch means Day 5 is 7-3. Mislynch means Day 6 is 5-3. No-lynch means Day 7 is 4-3.

If we lynch EMC and he's town, we're at 7-3 with a mislynch and a no-lynch, but a TON of information...

I'm honestly not sure we have a better play (yet). The night-kill may shed some light.