M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Fluminator]

The motive for scum Chaqa scum reading you is that he's kind of alone in pushing it, and since it won't take off he can look busy doing a useless vote that won't get much attention.

That used to be a meta tell I had on him where if his vote is somewhere that won't get attention, it helps him skate by while looking busy.

Chaqa claims his meta is different now though. You could read a town motive into it, but it's not a good enough reason to townread him for me.

[BunnyGo]

Out of everyone you could have voted for, why Xorxes?

Good point, if town he will die sooner or later. ##vote rivera

You're very interesting EMC. Why rdr? Does your vote even count as legal?

Huh...the bot counted it.

[kgray]

How does one even take responsibility for a vote, gray?

The “responsibility” is there on the bot

I’m more suspicious of those whose reads are always consistent and have a firm paper trail. Scum are the only ones who need to make sure they’re being logical and making sense to others.

I don't know. I just felt like you were setting up excuses ahead of time.

[worcej]

Fucking life

Where have you been?

Gone, obviously. But just, argh, life. Not in a state of mind to come up with good excuse sorry.

Telling facts are not excuses. Even if it was 'I was playing video games in my basement and screaming for meatloaf' isn't an excuse, just a bad choice.

[e.m.c^42]

Out of everyone you could have voted for, why Xorxes?

Good point, if town he will die sooner or later. ##vote rivera

You're very interesting EMC. Why rdr? Does your vote even count as legal?

Crap, forgot he's rdr. ##vote rdr

His highly, highly consistent scum thing is low posting, low content, go-with-the-flow. He is low posting and with the flow. Ergo, rivera = scum.

[e.m.c^42]

Scum are the only ones who need to make sure they’re being logical and making sense to others.

As much as I mildly and vaguely agree with the previous sentence about consistency, which ignores tunnels, this isn't true lol and you know it.

[rdrivera2005]

Good point, if town he will die sooner or later. ##vote rivera

You're very interesting EMC. Why rdr? Does your vote even count as legal?

Crap, forgot he's rdr. ##vote rdr

His highly, highly consistent scum thing is low posting, low content, go-with-the-flow. He is low posting and with the flow. Ergo, rivera = scum.

Tell me about low posting and low content? Do you really ISOed me or you just looked at the bot?

[e.m.c^42]

Where have you been?

Gone, obviously. But just, argh, life. Not in a state of mind to come up with good excuse sorry.

Telling facts are not excuses. Even if it was 'I was playing video games in my basement and screaming for meatloaf' isn't an excuse, just a bad choice.

Facts are absolutely excuses, and I did answer with xorx.

[worcej]

Doing a re-read of Damo throws up some interesting points:

1. Damo joined at p.23 and by p.26 he had townreads on Balki, Xorxes, Rdrivera. He voted for Fluminator. On p.27 he told me he wasn't sure if Xorxes and Rdrivera were PRs but he was sure Balki was VT. I don't know if Damo's discussion of potential town PRs was scummy or not... But it's certainly not great play.

2. During D1 he is *really* keen to get people off Chaqa, and repeatedly challenges Chaqa voters. He voted Flum during D1 for no other reason than because Flum was voting for Chaqa. Yet During N1 he speculated that Chaqa was scum helping mislynch Temasek, and since then he has scumread Chaqa pretty hard.

3. His attempt to get a last moment D1 flashwagon on Worcej is.... interesting, given that both Temasek and Worcej were his "top suspects", and how he later claimed he was "setting a trap" rather than trying to lynch Worcej.

Valid points here.

[Balki Bartokomous]

The motive for scum Chaqa scum reading you is that he's kind of alone in pushing it, and since it won't take off he can look busy doing a useless vote that won't get much attention.

That used to be a meta tell I had on him where if his vote is somewhere that won't get attention, it helps him skate by while looking busy.

Chaqa claims his meta is different now though. You could read a town motive into it, but it's not a good enough reason to townread him for me.

I don't know. A Balki wagon is feasible. Chaqa, Jamiet, Bunny all have expressed interest there. But it's more than his scum read -- he confronts me. I find that very town.

[worcej]

Gone, obviously. But just, argh, life. Not in a state of mind to come up with good excuse sorry.

Telling facts are not excuses. Even if it was 'I was playing video games in my basement and screaming for meatloaf' isn't an excuse, just a bad choice.

Facts are absolutely excuses, and I did answer with xorx.

No, an excuse is trying to use it as defense/justification. You being busy is not an excuse imo.

[e.m.c^42]

You're very interesting EMC. Why rdr? Does your vote even count as legal?

Crap, forgot he's rdr. ##vote rdr

His highly, highly consistent scum thing is low posting, low content, go-with-the-flow. He is low posting and with the flow. Ergo, rivera = scum.

Tell me about low posting and low content? Do you really ISOed me or you just looked at the bot?

I summoned you! :D :D :D

[rdrivera2005]

You're very interesting EMC. Why rdr? Does your vote even count as legal?

Crap, forgot he's rdr. ##vote rdr

His highly, highly consistent scum thing is low posting, low content, go-with-the-flow. He is low posting and with the flow. Ergo, rivera = scum.

Tell me about low posting and low content? Do you really ISOed me or you just looked at the bot?

And also tell me how I am going with the flow? Shouldn't I be voting for you or Chaqa, the two obvious lynches?

I didn't scumread you before because you didn't gave nothing, but this entrance is scummy as hell (or I am OMGusing). Anyway, between you and Chaqa I will choose you.

Anybody wants to start a wagon on Flum? I am finding him more and more scummy?

[worcej]

town survey:

bozo: Balki, kgray, Jamie, xorxes, rdrivera
Jamie: xorxes, BunnyGo, kgray, sulit, rdrivera
xorxes: Jamie, brainbomb, bozo, damo, Foxcastle
rdrivera: Balki, xorxes, kgray, Fluminator, brainbomb
BunnyGo: kgray, Balki, Jamie, damo, xorxes
damo: Balki, xorxes, rdrivera, kgray, bozo
worcej: BunnyGo, brainbomb, kgray, Balki, bo_sox
sulit: Jamie, brainbomb, bo_sox, emc, ?
Temasek: Jamie, kgray, emc, ?, ?
kgray: Jamie, brainbomb, Foxcastle, bozo, xorxes
Foxcastle: Fluminator, xorxes, Balki, Jamie, ?


worcej and sulit have had 2 of their D1 top town reads proven correct, and they were the NKs. This may not mean anything, but it does not help alleviate my suspicion of them.

SOOOO WEIRD that my opinions of who are town are labeled as suspect...

If you were town, you would have the whole scum team in your top five town, that's a well known fact.

I've at least improved to 3/5 scum, not all 5 lol

[worcej]

Hmm, maybe I'll reconsider my Damo town read if Chaqa flips scum.
I forgot he was defending him day 1 too.

He defended him hard, chainsaw style. He voted you just because you voted for Chaqa, and although he townread Xorxes, he shouted "WHY??" at Xorxes when he put a vote on Chaqa, as if he found votes for Chaqa genuinely alarming.

I doubt damo would defend a scum teammate so blatantly.

I don't - damo's lack of word quantity in posts makes it pretty easy for him to stick his neck out in situations because he usually isn't heard in the moment. His observations/comments usually come out in re-reads.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Anybody wants to start a wagon on Flum? I am finding him more and more scummy?

Can you give us a few bullet pointed reasons?

[rdrivera2005]

Crap, forgot he's rdr. ##vote rdr

His highly, highly consistent scum thing is low posting, low content, go-with-the-flow. He is low posting and with the flow. Ergo, rivera = scum.

Tell me about low posting and low content? Do you really ISOed me or you just looked at the bot?

I summoned you! :D :D :D

No, I took my lunch time to read the game and your posts were the ones I want to address. There are other about my meta that I didn't think I need to address, but where you probably get some ideas.

[worcej]

While I appreciate Flavius style a lot of time, it does kind of outdate many of your posts Wocej

Weekends are the worst for me - I am usually not at a computer.

However, most of my work is done on a computer (especially now with 'social distancing') so you'll see a lot less of this catchup for the next few days.

[BunnyGo]

Crap, forgot he's rdr. ##vote rdr

His highly, highly consistent scum thing is low posting, low content, go-with-the-flow. He is low posting and with the flow. Ergo, rivera = scum.

Tell me about low posting and low content? Do you really ISOed me or you just looked at the bot?

And also tell me how I am going with the flow? Shouldn't I be voting for you or Chaqa, the two obvious lynches?

I didn't scumread you before because you didn't gave nothing, but this entrance is scummy as hell (or I am OMGusing). Anyway, between you and Chaqa I will choose you.

Anybody wants to start a wagon on Flum? I am finding him more and more scummy?

I said I'd wait until tomorrow, but sure ##VOTE FLUM

[rdrivera2005]

Anybody wants to start a wagon on Flum? I am finding him more and more scummy?

Can you give us a few bullet pointed reasons?

- The Vecna lynch, where he was another experienced (and good) player that didn't backtrack, same thing I said about Xorxes
- The sure scum thing on Chaqa. The only sure people at this point are scum, if you aren't flip flopping your scum reads you are either stupid or scum and I don't think Flum is stupid.