M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Fluminator]

Hmm, maybe I'll reconsider my Damo town read if Chaqa flips scum.
I forgot he was defending him day 1 too.

Can we lynch damo instead, and if he flips scum, get all this undeserved fucking pressure off me?

Ugh.

I hate games where I have to play on the defensive because it means all my energy has to go to not dying.

The best defense is good scumhunting.
So show us what you got.

[worcej]

But relevant to yours.

Yeah but I’m town.

"I know you are but what am I"
"I know you are but what am I"
"I know you are but what am I"
"I know you are but what am I"

This exchange between Balki and Fox is also becoming very, very tedious.

Still re-reading and agree - it is drowning out a lot of the previous focus on Chaqa and emc

[Chaqa]

Regarding Chaqa, there's nothing in particular that makes me think he's scummy, but I have a historically bad record of reading him. Really bad.

For context, when it was me vs him for a lynch I suicided as town PR to keep him alive, and he was scum. Lol

Conversely, I usually have a very easy time reading EMC, and I'm clueless this game because YOU AREN'T POSTING.

[Chaqa]

rivera used to say that all the time too, but he grew out of it.

Rivera lurks almost as hard as I do, to be fair.

It's not that I'm saying I'm useless, but my use to town always comes later on, esepcially after a few days of wagons to analyze and kills to work with. You've played with me long enough to know I'm dead weight until Day 3 or 4, usually.

Everyone struggles the first couple days, and everyone gets better as we get more information. You're not unique to this lol.

Then stop acting like you're oh so certain I'm scum. The flip will be all the more satisfying for me when you all look dumb.

[Chaqa]

Hmm, maybe I'll reconsider my Damo town read if Chaqa flips scum.
I forgot he was defending him day 1 too.

Can we lynch damo instead, and if he flips scum, get all this undeserved fucking pressure off me?

Ugh.

I hate games where I have to play on the defensive because it means all my energy has to go to not dying.

The best defense is good scumhunting.
So show us what you got.

I've got about 10 minutes left on my lunch.

Some of us are still working in these times, and this phase shift is abysmal for me.

[worcej]

The long haired man put on a jean jacket and stuffed his tackle box in the back of the truck. He stared at Janet for a second.
"You look like you could use a lift little lady, where ya headed.?"
Janet looked at his red shirt with the emblem "Make America Great Again", by his side was a knife. In the truck she saw a dog in the passenger seat.
"Im fleeing the virus" she said. "I gotta find a cure and try to survive".

He smiled at her. "It aint about surviving lady. Now its about getting in a few good experiences before everyones dead and the whole damn worlds locked down."
She nodded. "So who are you?"

Folks call me Freedom. Im in short supply these days

Oh shit it's ND.

Run, Janet! Run away, quick!

[worcej]

Because I play like me :) I don't really think you all hate me but it feels that way sometimes. Anyway, I'm back from my exam, so I should be a bit more active now, if I can find the will to.

Stop fucking saying you're about to be more active.

Start being more active.

Stop @^^#&$* misunderstanding me. I know you have trouble with that, but just try for once. I very clearly stated that I would not have time to stop lurking until today at the earliest. If you want to lynch me for having a life, go ahead. I'm looking at D2 now (well, I was until I checked this thread again), so would you mind waiting a little bit unless you want me to start posting uninformed garbage and getting myself lynched that way? At least if you give me half an hour or so I can post informed garbage instead.

Do you understand that asking people to give you more time (or wait for you) comes off as scummy because as we 'wait' until you show up again, we run out of time ourselves?

[Fluminator]

While I appreciate Flavius style a lot of time, it does kind of outdate many of your posts Wocej

[Fluminator]

I might be in my tunnel stage, but it feels like Chaqa knows the gig is up, and is being careful not to reveal any information because he knows he's the likely lynch.

[Chaqa]

In general, my thought is that on Day 1, mafia do not like to be the people making the big decisions on the wagons. They prefer to join a large wagon early-ish and sit there, regardless of whethe rit suceeds. Or they sit on non-starter wagons.

This implicates EMC, xorxes, and worcej for those on non-relevant wagons.

As well as Bunny, Flum, Balki, Fox for sitting on the worcej wagon for so long.

I'd be surprised if there's more than 1 scum on the Temasek wagon.

Day 2, I suspect scum would not be the late hammerers or voters on Vecna. Implicates worcej, Bunny, makes xoxes look a bit better. But I still have a hunch there.

My lynch groups:
Rank 1: xorx, worcej
Rank 2: Flum, Balki
Rank 3: Bunny, Fox, damo (late jumper to Temasek)

Town reads: Jamiet, Bozo, kgray, rivera, EMC

EMC would be in Rank 1 but I think he's town. Would still vote him to save myself, though.

[Chaqa]

While I appreciate Flavius style a lot of time, it does kind of outdate many of your posts Wocej

lol well too bad I also am a Flavius these days

[Balki Bartokomous]

EMC, are you still here?

Would you please answer this post.

If someone else can respond to my post and let me know if I'm missing an obvious meaning, I'd appreciate that too. It looks a bit like a slip to me, but I might be crazy.

[Foxcastle]

<snip>
I am not sure how you think I should answer this, not living inside your head. I often get scumread for not being a big presence or not making an impression on people. I have been lynched for this in the past as scum when I was trying to be active and townie, and as town when I have just been playing as usual.

For what it's worth, I have this same issue with Damo pretty consistently.

I see you now. Tell me what you're thinking. How you get there. What you had for your last meal. Paint me a word picture, I remember word pictures.

Uh, I'm gonna pass on most of that.

My two general+specific townreads are Worcej and Damo. In addition to broadly thinking that they're playing townie, I think Worcej did some things in the dust-up with me early on that scum wouldn't, and I also have an item for Damo that specifically makes me think he's town, but I don't remember it (it's either in a notes file or I am pretty sure I could go back and identify it).

Of the current wagons, I think EMC is useless and should accept that it would be better for him to live in the god thread of future games where he can snark and then disappear for days at a time, rather than drag down games as the equivalent of a potted plant that occasionally becomes possessed by the ghost of anxious tween. But as I pointed out earlier, I think that if he were scum, he would not let himself drop off this much in a way that would just draw more scrutiny. My desire to lynch him has largely been punitive; given he actually voted and that it's Day 3, maybe someone else should go up.

I'm voting chaqa because he seems scummy to me and I think he's positioned his votes consistent with where scum would try to go to avoid too much scrutiny. It is also largely a POE decision—I have a lot of townreads.

I do not want to see Balki flip yet. I still think that if he's town, he can lead us to the win. But he is a high-risk for a false-negative, and very dangerous as scum, and that's why I'm worried about him.

I don't see Xorxes as scum, and I don't like those who are on his wagon. BobMcBob is another player that needs to show up and contribute more—Bob, if you're town, this helps us identify you as such, because if you're a question mark, the only way we have to figure you out is to lynch you. Pjandy will be modkilled, I assume, which I'm fine with.

[Fluminator]

You just said you didn't know what EMC was. What changed your mind?

[BunnyGo]

I like how Fox and Chaq are just blatantly ignoring my questions. Cool beans guys.

I've tried to address anything directed at me. What did I miss?

I want a post about your thoughts besides "HE LIED THAT TIME AND I CAUGHT HIM OUT!"

Like, paint a word picture for me of the characters this game. Villains, Heroes, Weirdos, etc. Who are you? Why are you? Don't feel like you have to do a big dive, or lots of nit picking. I want impressions and feelings.

[Foxcastle]

I like how Fox and Chaq are just blatantly ignoring my questions. Cool beans guys.

You wanted a response to "paint me a picture" in under 5 minutes?

##VOTE BUNNYGO

[e.m.c^42]

Have I missed something on Xorx or is the case essentially "D3 and he hasn't been fearkilled yet"

EMC says Xorxes is displaying "his classic scum meta".

I am honestly not sure what exactly he means.

Might be off as it has been a lot of games, but iirc xorx as scum has two points to him. He posts noticeably less, and is generally "afterthought" in conversations instead of "foreground", during discussions. (although, to keep analogy consistent it should be "background/foreground").

But point may be moot as a lot of people are posting less that usual, lol

[Chaqa]

You just said you didn't know what EMC was. What changed your mind?

Trying to implicate him once I flip, duh

[Chaqa]

I like how Fox and Chaq are just blatantly ignoring my questions. Cool beans guys.

I've tried to address anything directed at me. What did I miss?

I want a post about your thoughts besides "HE LIED THAT TIME AND I CAUGHT HIM OUT!"

Like, paint a word picture for me of the characters this game. Villains, Heroes, Weirdos, etc. Who are you? Why are you? Don't feel like you have to do a big dive, or lots of nit picking. I want impressions and feelings.

That’s why I voted Vecna.

I voted Tem because I felt good about worcej at the time.

I think the main wagons today are bad, and want to lynch xorxes or Balki.

Why is Gamora?

[Fluminator]

You're cracking under pressure.
I think this is locked and loaded.