M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Chaqa]

Morning folks.

Week 2 of my work from home Coronaquarantine extravaganza, now featuring my girlfriend’s 100 pound dog deciding my lap is a place to sleep

How’s everyone?

[Jamiet99uk]

Morning folks.

Week 2 of my work from home Coronaquarantine extravaganza, now featuring my girlfriend’s 100 pound dog deciding my lap is a place to sleep

How’s everyone?

I'm fine.

Quick read on Damo, please, Chaqa? Is he scum or town?

[Chaqa]

Morning folks.

Week 2 of my work from home Coronaquarantine extravaganza, now featuring my girlfriend’s 100 pound dog deciding my lap is a place to sleep

How’s everyone?

I'm fine.

Quick read on Damo, please, Chaqa? Is he scum or town?

He feels normal damo-esque to me, but he's also definitely been buddying me a bit. I'd say town for now, but it's one of my weaker town reads.

[BunnyGo]

Here are my current views of the world:

Balki Bartokomous - scumlean
bozotheclown - null
BunnyGo - townlean
Chaqa - scumlean
damo666 - null
e.m.c^42 - scum
Fluminator - scum
Foxcastle - null
Jamiet99uk - TOWN
kgray - townlean
Pjandy - absent
rdrivera2005 - townlean
BobMcBob - townlean
worcej - town
xorxes - townlean

Love the color coding. Largely agree with the assessment too. Which surprised me, we don’t often agree (or maybe we do, but our personalities clash?)

[worcej]

Knowing Vecna and bo_sox were both town, I would not expect Chaqa and xorxes to get so involved hammering Vecna as scum.

emc, Bob, and Pjandy are still not participating. emc said he would be more involved, but nothing more from him yet.

##VOTE emc

Is there any specific reason why that does not also apply to Flum?

Get ready for a whole string of Flavius-style posting from here on out.

[worcej]

Knowing Vecna and bo_sox were both town, I would not expect Chaqa and xorxes to get so involved hammering Vecna as scum.

emc, Bob, and Pjandy are still not participating. emc said he would be more involved, but nothing more from him yet.

##VOTE emc

Is there any specific reason why that does not also apply to Flum?

No, but Fluminator is not a wagon. My comment was intended to communicate why I do not think xorxes or Chaqa are the best lynch candidates today.

So by reading into this - bozo is in favor of lynching a lurker.

[worcej]

@kgray,

I'd like you to push yourself to put some current reads in the thread. I just read your ISO. I see a lot of questioning, but not much in the way of sticking your neck out.

You were an early voter on Tem. And I thought your reasoning sounded plausible. But your play overall is coming across to me as timid and non-confrontational.

@Town, don't give kgray a free pass. I don't see much of a vector behind her questions. I feel like she's swimming in place a bit, which could suggest that she doesn't have a puzzle to solve.

Damnit Balki, if you're actually scum I'm impressed at your ability to play this game.

I second this opinion as well - kgray seems to engage well but is doing so by only piggy-backing on other's opinions/comments. I have no idea what kgray thinks of the game state.

[Foxcastle]

Sorry, no excuses for lurking but I'll be more active from now on.

It has now been 44 hours since EMC posted this. All four dead players still have more posts than he does. (This is not for here or now, but: if he's mod-killed or lynched having only posted twice in three and a half days, I hope the GMs will recommend that he not be allowed to play the next game he tries to sign up for.)

I am good with his lynch, but am not going to vote him right now because I want to see some competition among wagons, so I'll stay on chaqa. Time to start moving votes, people.

Chaqa, worcej, Balki, Bunny: who are your second choices?

Xorxes and rdrivera: who would get your vote among xorxes, Pjandy, me, and Balki?

[worcej]

I'm not feeling like a big fan today of the "let's pick from this pool of lurkers" strategy.

I am frustrated with the lurkers. And I understand I basically said at start of Day 2: "let's pick from this pool of lurkers." But I am feeling a bit concerned that a few people (rdrivera, Fox, kgray) are avoiding scrutiny without much reason.

Could be the best move to lynch a lurker today, but I am not ready to narrow the pool quite so much.

Alright - I like this. Let me check the bot for now. Which shows me this...

e.m.c^42 (4) Fluminator Jamiet99uk bozotheclown damo666
Chaqa (3) Foxcastle kgray BobMcBob
BobMcBob (2) xorxes rdrivera2005
xorxes (1) Chaqa
Pjandy (1) worcej
Foxcastle (1) Balki Bartokomous
Balki Bartokomous (1) BunnyGo

Quick take - the only active players up for lynch are Chaqa, xorxes, Foxcastle, or yourself.

My quick takes:
emc - still hasn't posted. Great... I can't recall a good reason why he wouldn't post.
Chaqa - I get a town-feel from him personally, not sure of the current cases for him
Bob/sulit - no real impression, though I expected more effort/trying than we got from sulit.
xorxes - can lynch later. Even in lylo, I'd lynch him before anyone else.
Fox - Also feel town.
Balki - Bah, I've scummed you but you are bringing up good points and challenging people who are getting passes. It makes me feel like you are town because you are looking at a lot of angles. Though you've been a 'town leader' as scum in the past...

[kgray]

@kgray,

I'd like you to push yourself to put some current reads in the thread. I just read your ISO. I see a lot of questioning, but not much in the way of sticking your neck out.

You were an early voter on Tem. And I thought your reasoning sounded plausible. But your play overall is coming across to me as timid and non-confrontational.

@Town, don't give kgray a free pass. I don't see much of a vector behind her questions. I feel like she's swimming in place a bit, which could suggest that she doesn't have a puzzle to solve.

Damnit Balki, if you're actually scum I'm impressed at your ability to play this game.

I second this opinion as well - kgray seems to engage well but is doing so by only piggy-backing on other's opinions/comments. I have no idea what kgray thinks of the game state.

I think that's a fair assessment. I am trying to figure out people's motivations but am having a hard time drawing conclusions, which is why I've been mostly asking questions. I am trying to contribute, though, and I'd be more than happy to answer any questions anyone has for me.

[xorxes]

This is ridiculous. I am exactly the same as both alignments. Is this actually something that you think, or are you just spouting off words at random?

bozo: Balki, kgray, Jamie, xorxes, rdrivera
Jamie: xorxes, BunnyGo, kgray, sulit, rdrivera
xorxes: Jamie, brainbomb, bozo, damo, Foxcastle
rdrivera: Balki, xorxes, kgray, Fluminator, brainbomb
BunnyGo: kgray, Balki, Jamie, damo, xorxes
damo: Balki, xorxes, rdrivera, kgray, bozo
worcej: BunnyGo, brainbomb, kgray, Balki, bo_sox
sulit: Jamie, brainbomb, bo_sox, emc, ?
Temasek: Jamie, kgray, emc, ?, ?
kgray: Jamie, brainbomb, Foxcastle, bozo, xorxes
Foxcastle: Fluminator, xorxes, Balki, Jamie, ?

@Balki, what's your take on the five other people besides Fox that had you as a top 5 townread, given that you are exactly the same as both alignments?

Eh...

I think that someone coming after me with a hard scum read is a pretty effective town tell. But generally it is pretty NAI for someone to count me among their townreads.

In the case of Fox, it’s more than that. It’s that he called me his top town read, and it’s his general lack of confrontation and conviction all game.

1. Worcej - lean town. I don't like his certainty about what's his name, day 1, but I like his righteous indignation.
9. Foxcastle - Has not stood out to me. I feel like he has not stuck his neck out. Could be scum.
10. damo666 - ya know, I've understood and appreciated many of the things he has said, but a lot of times that means scum. I'm not sure how I feel about Damo.
12. rdrivera2005 - Maybe scum? I have the impression he is playing a pleasing, non confrontational game, which indicates scum, but I have not gone back to re-read and verify.
13. bozo - Kind of made the same impression on me as Damo has. I understand a lot of what he says, which might mean he's scum. I feel like he's stayed far away from me all game.
14. BunnyGo - Not sure, but I lean town. Playing pretty well. I liked his response to me Day 1. Wasn't just trying to please me.

For the most part you seem to lean scum on those who townread you.

[worcej]

As for a reason: This is kinda out there, so bare with me - but I think andy is intentionally lurking. If we didn't hammer the day, he would've violated posting requirements on D2. I think he has checked in and contributed, but most likely in the mafia QT and not posting during night because he doesn't have to.

I do think Pjandy not being replaced already indicates he has somehow expressed that he does plan on continuing to play. Either that or there are no subs available.

Kitsune is still on that list.

[worcej]

I'd be suggesting we hammer EMC today if it didn't mean Andy would avoid a replacement again.

Or a mod-kill. At least the slot would be removed from a possibility either way.

[brainbomb]

##GM NOTE
there are 0 subs available at this time
inactivity will be rewarded with eternal damnation

[e.m.c^42]

Fucking life

[e.m.c^42]

Ok until EOD I should be online, actually this time

[e.m.c^42]

Think there were questions somewhere, let me bot and dig 'em up

[e.m.c^42]

But before that, almost everyone this game (including self) has been really, really weird and am not sure what to make of it.

[xorxes]

Well Chaqa nobody seems to agree with me that your D1 votemove to Tem with 20 mins to go is unscummy. What do you say?

Everything I’ve ever done going back to Mafia 1 is scummy. Some day someone will have to teach me how to be a pro towny like Flum or xorx

Are you saying that if I check all your games since Mafia 1 I won't find any in which you have been townread?

[e.m.c^42]

Flum has the oddest of game logics, there's been hella lots of other lurkers like me, I think xorx is in his classic scum meta, the fucking hammer that sprung out of nowhere - which I think started with a dumbass town having fun poking vecna and then scum jumped at opportunity to lynch and not have to waste NK on him.