M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[BunnyGo]

@Bunny can you elaborate on your scumread of Flum? Day one you seemed pretty sure Flum was towny. All I found in your ISO is that you don't believe he missed Brain's apparent crumb, and then the fact that he reacted to me asking about him not following Balki's vote day 2. Is there anything else?

Oh. The whole end voting he advocated. Then didn’t even do what he suggested which is wait for everyone who end voted to have a chance. He snap ended the thing. I may have unended. Someone else may have too. But his actions were against the spirit he’d advocated for (which was having a long extended EOD for lots of tension and data). Instead he helped end it fast.

[BunnyGo]

@Balki, @BunnyGo:

During EoD1, was it your view that you were witnessing a Scum vs Scum situation?

Does this mean: did I think that both leading wagons were scum?

If that is your question, my answer is no. I felt like worcej's confidence in his Tem read was a signal that, if Tem is Town, worcej is Scum, and if worcej is Scum, Tem was likely Town.

Do you still think worcej is scum?

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Balki, @BunnyGo:

During EoD1, was it your view that you were witnessing a Scum vs Scum situation?

Does this mean: did I think that both leading wagons were scum?

If that is your question, my answer is no. I felt like worcej's confidence in his Tem read was a signal that, if Tem is Town, worcej is Scum, and if worcej is Scum, Tem was likely Town.

Do you still think worcej is scum?

No, I lean town on him now. I wrote a post on this at some point. I can go fetch it if you like, or you can pick it up in my ISO.

[bozotheclown]

town survey:

bozo: Balki, kgray, Jamie, xorxes, rdrivera
Jamie: xorxes, BunnyGo, kgray, sulit, rdrivera
xorxes: Jamie, brainbomb, bozo, damo, Foxcastle
rdrivera: Balki, xorxes, kgray, Fluminator, brainbomb
BunnyGo: kgray, Balki, Jamie, damo, xorxes
damo: Balki, xorxes, rdrivera, kgray, bozo
worcej: BunnyGo, brainbomb, kgray, Balki, bo_sox
sulit: Jamie, brainbomb, bo_sox, emc, ?
Temasek: Jamie, kgray, emc, ?, ?
kgray: Jamie, brainbomb, Foxcastle, bozo, xorxes
Foxcastle: Fluminator, xorxes, Balki, Jamie, ?


worcej and sulit have had 2 of their D1 top town reads proven correct, and they were the NKs. This may not mean anything, but it does not help alleviate my suspicion of them.

Why does someone’s D1 town reads getting NKd look bad for them? Shouldn’t it look good for them? Or null?

Probably null, but they could be proving their town reads correct.

[rdrivera2005]

Doing my completely subjective wagon analysis is as follows:

EMC wagon: not great, Flum is scummy, jamie is towny, I’m town, bozo is null
Xorxes wagon is worse: chaqa and Bob are both scummy, rdr is towny
The chaqa wagon looks good: kgray and Damo are towny, fox is null.

The EMC wagon is largely based on his absence. The chaqa wagon is largely based on his horrible presence. I’m not entirely sure what the xorxes wagon is (@rdr care to explain?)

My vote on Xorxes (that I changed now) was purely because I expect I highly rational player like Xorxes to act differently on the Vecna lynch. I am still not fully satisfied with his answer (he didn't address Vecna's possible motivation as scum to act the way he did, confrontational, etc) but I will not insist as it's pointless.

His D1 was towny on re-read too, so I decided to not tunnel him today.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Balki, @BunnyGo:

During EoD1, was it your view that you were witnessing a Scum vs Scum situation?

Does this mean: did I think that both leading wagons were scum?

If that is your question, my answer is no. I felt like worcej's confidence in his Tem read was a signal that, if Tem is Town, worcej is Scum, and if worcej is Scum, Tem was likely Town.

So, you thought Temasek was town either way.

I see.

Then, why did you say this:

I do need to be watched.

Honestly, I'm happy to see Tem flip too. But I agree with Flum that having a close counterwagon is productive too.

?

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Balki, @BunnyGo:

During EoD1, was it your view that you were witnessing a Scum vs Scum situation?

Does this mean: did I think that both leading wagons were scum?

If that is your question, my answer is no. I felt like worcej's confidence in his Tem read was a signal that, if Tem is Town, worcej is Scum, and if worcej is Scum, Tem was likely Town.

So, you thought Temasek was town either way.

I see.

Then, why did you say this:

I do need to be watched.

Honestly, I'm happy to see Tem flip too. But I agree with Flum that having a close counterwagon is productive too.

?

No, I did not think Tem was Town either way.

I thought, as I said:

If Tem is Town, then worcej is likely Scum.
If worcej is Scum, then Tem is likely Town.

That does not mean that I thought Tem was town "either" way. Make sense?

[Foxcastle]

@Foxy,

What's your Balki read right now and why?

Schrodinger's scum. Good enough to be our best town while also being the deepest scum. If I were scum, I would absolutely fearkill him first. Except he has not really shown up to run this game down like he usually does...

So it's a lot of paranoia. I do need to go do an ISO. I also think you and Chaqa have ended up in voting positions that make sense for scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

Does this mean: did I think that both leading wagons were scum?

If that is your question, my answer is no. I felt like worcej's confidence in his Tem read was a signal that, if Tem is Town, worcej is Scum, and if worcej is Scum, Tem was likely Town.

So, you thought Temasek was town either way.

I see.

Then, why did you say this:

I do need to be watched.

Honestly, I'm happy to see Tem flip too. But I agree with Flum that having a close counterwagon is productive too.

?

No, I did not think Tem was Town either way.

I thought, as I said:

If Tem is Town, then worcej is likely Scum.
If worcej is Scum, then Tem is likely Town.

That does not mean that I thought Tem was town "either" way. Make sense?

And if Tem was scum, then Worcej…?

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Foxy,

What's your Balki read right now and why?

Schrodinger's scum. Good enough to be our best town while also being the deepest scum. If I were scum, I would absolutely fearkill him first. Except he has not really shown up to run this game down like he usually does...

So it's a lot of paranoia. I do need to go do an ISO. I also think you and Chaqa have ended up in voting positions that make sense for scum.

Can you tell me why you said this eleven pages ago, and how your views have changed since then?

Balki still remains my strongest town read.

[Balki Bartokomous]

What made me your strongest town read?

[BunnyGo]

So, you thought Temasek was town either way.

I see.

Then, why did you say this:



?

No, I did not think Tem was Town either way.

I thought, as I said:

If Tem is Town, then worcej is likely Scum.
If worcej is Scum, then Tem is likely Town.

That does not mean that I thought Tem was town "either" way. Make sense?

And if Tem was scum, then Worcej…?

He already answered that.

[Foxcastle]

@Foxy,

What's your Balki read right now and why?

Schrodinger's scum. Good enough to be our best town while also being the deepest scum. If I were scum, I would absolutely fearkill him first. Except he has not really shown up to run this game down like he usually does...

So it's a lot of paranoia. I do need to go do an ISO. I also think you and Chaqa have ended up in voting positions that make sense for scum.

Can you tell me why you said this eleven pages ago, and how your views have changed since then?

Balki still remains my strongest town read.

I'm not sure that my view has changed. I like everything I see about your posting. It reassures me. It makes sense. It's good. I have not found a specific reason to really move you from the "strongly sensing town" category to the "this player is town for a specific reason," though. And you're good enough that that's what worries me, because I don't have a lot of strong scumreads at the moment, so a lot of what I am looking at for the lynch is POE/lurkers.

[BobMcBob]

Look, I know you all hate me, but I will try to start participating later today. Until then I have a large exam (and I do have an assignment due on Wednesday) but I should be able to pick things up in a few hours.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Schrodinger's scum. Good enough to be our best town while also being the deepest scum. If I were scum, I would absolutely fearkill him first. Except he has not really shown up to run this game down like he usually does...

So it's a lot of paranoia. I do need to go do an ISO. I also think you and Chaqa have ended up in voting positions that make sense for scum.

Can you tell me why you said this eleven pages ago, and how your views have changed since then?

Balki still remains my strongest town read.

I'm not sure that my view has changed. I like everything I see about your posting. It reassures me. It makes sense. It's good. I have not found a specific reason to really move you from the "strongly sensing town" category to the "this player is town for a specific reason," though. And you're good enough that that's what worries me, because I don't have a lot of strong scumreads at the moment, so a lot of what I am looking at for the lynch is POE/lurkers.

Hmmm, interesting.

I am still your strongest town read?

And this is your current read of me?

Schrodinger's scum. Good enough to be our best town while also being the deepest scum. If I were scum, I would absolutely fearkill him first. Except he has not really shown up to run this game down like he usually does...

That doesn't make sense to me.

But, putting that aside, I think you're scum. I feel like I always think you're scum for the same reason, but you also happen to have drawn scum for, it seems like, all of my recent games here. I think you're scum because you're avoiding confrontation and generally avoiding me. You're not leading. You're not passionate. You're not moving the action. You're just blandly commenting, keeping me in your town reads (with a little wiggle room for later).

You're playing like Scum!Fox.

Am I wrong?

[Jamiet99uk]

No, I did not think Tem was Town either way.

I thought, as I said:

If Tem is Town, then worcej is likely Scum.
If worcej is Scum, then Tem is likely Town.

That does not mean that I thought Tem was town "either" way. Make sense?

And if Tem was scum, then Worcej…?

He already answered that.

Why are you answering for him?

Bad Bunny.

[BunnyGo]

Does anyone else get a weird tickle that the Fox/Balki interaction has a scum theatre feel to it? Fox says Balki looks towny but maybe scum, Balki says that Fox is scummy. It just feels weird. Despite me town reading Balki in general.

[BunnyGo]

And if Tem was scum, then Worcej…?

He already answered that.

Why are you answering for him?

Bad Bunny.

I’m pointing out he literally just answered. That’s different.

[BunnyGo]

He already answered that.

Why are you answering for him?

Bad Bunny.

I’m pointing out he literally just answered. That’s different.

In the thing you were quoting.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why are you answering for him?

Bad Bunny.

I’m pointing out he literally just answered. That’s different.

In the thing you were quoting.

I do not see the answer to my question.

Please point it out to me as you are so observant.