M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Jamiet99uk]

The lynch of EMC in the last game was not just a policy lynch. There was a shift in his play and he was correctly scumread for it. If he is town now, that experience should give him more confidence, since we have now seen both sides of him.

And yet...

[Foxcastle]

Sorry, no excuses for lurking but I'll be more active from now on.

It's been nearly 22 hours since this promise.

[Fluminator]

I don't see how any reasonable person can think tem is towny right now xD

Nothing to do with anything indicative necessarily but have never seen you use this type of emoticon

This is like the one post that gives me pause.
It seems like he's genuinely wondering if he found something here, and it doesn't feel like scum shade throwing.

Granted one mafia will essentially be invisible because they don't know other scum.

[Fluminator]

Invisible is a confusing word.

I mean one scum will be indistinguishable from town

[Foxcastle]

The lynch of EMC in the last game was not just a policy lynch. There was a shift in his play and he was correctly scumread for it. If he is town now, that experience should give him more confidence, since we have now seen both sides of him.

And yet...

Meh. You were scumreading him, Bob was scumreading him for lack of participation rather than anything specific or a change in play (had Bob even encountered EMC before?), Kit and I were bussing him, and Vecna voted to seal the deal without an explanation. The other votes I recall during that day were policy lynch votes. So I disagree that there there was a consensus beyond yourself that he was actually scum. The point being that EMC is pretty consistent at playing to his (shitty) baseline, and I don't think that his lynch in the last game would give town-EMC any reason to change how he played.

[BunnyGo]

@Balki, @BunnyGo:

During EoD1, was it your view that you were witnessing a Scum vs Scum situation?

The two wagons?

[BunnyGo]

@Balki, @BunnyGo:

During EoD1, was it your view that you were witnessing a Scum vs Scum situation?

It’s day 1...so I’m never sure. But Tem still seems scummy. And at the time I scum read worcej. Does that answer your question?

[xorxes]

Invisible is a confusing word.

I mean one scum will be indistinguishable from town

Not completely. They have a scan, so they already know the alignment of two people (unless they scanned someone that died or they didn't scan).

[Foxcastle]

Invisible is a confusing word.

I mean one scum will be indistinguishable from town

Not completely. They have a scan, so they already know the alignment of two people (unless they scanned someone that died or they didn't scan).

If Patient Zero is scanning players unlikely to be watched and the mafia team is killing them off, maybe that's in our favor...

[xorxes]

The lynch of EMC in the last game was not just a policy lynch. There was a shift in his play and he was correctly scumread for it. If he is town now, that experience should give him more confidence, since we have now seen both sides of him.

And yet...

Meh. You were scumreading him, Bob was scumreading him for lack of participation rather than anything specific or a change in play (had Bob even encountered EMC before?), Kit and I were bussing him, and Vecna voted to seal the deal without an explanation. The other votes I recall during that day were policy lynch votes. So I disagree that there there was a consensus beyond yourself that he was actually scum. The point being that EMC is pretty consistent at playing to his (shitty) baseline, and I don't think that his lynch in the last game would give town-EMC any reason to change how he played.

Yeah, I was townleaning emc last game even if not very strongly, because his scum game is pretty much the same as his town game. He had played as scum one time before and he flew under the radar. But he was more participative.

[xorxes]

Invisible is a confusing word.

I mean one scum will be indistinguishable from town

Not completely. They have a scan, so they already know the alignment of two people (unless they scanned someone that died or they didn't scan).

If Patient Zero is scanning players unlikely to be watched and the mafia team is killing them off, maybe that's in our favor...

Yes, although I think the pool of players unlikely to be watched is pretty large, so it would still be a small chance that they target the same one.

[Foxcastle]

Not completely. They have a scan, so they already know the alignment of two people (unless they scanned someone that died or they didn't scan).

If Patient Zero is scanning players unlikely to be watched and the mafia team is killing them off, maybe that's in our favor...

Yes, although I think the pool of players unlikely to be watched is pretty large, so it would still be a small chance that they target the same one.

Well, at this point, the scum team has given the Watcher enough information to modify their strategy, so I would think the pool of watchable targets is much broader now and the scum visitors and the Watcher are in something of a more general guess-off...

[Foxcastle]

Xorxes, Kgray, Balki... Why haven't you voted yet?

[xorxes]

Xorxes, Kgray, Balki... Why haven't you voted yet?

I'm waiting for emc to show up, I will vote for him or Chaqa.

I'm assuming pjandy will be subbed. If not, I might vote for him as well depending on how convincing his excuses sound.

I don't really want to start a wagon on Balki or rivera at this point because I'm too unsure about them.

I suppose I could vote for Bob if a wagon forms as well. His vote for me was ridiculous since he didn't even read what happened. "Too scummy to be scum" is the only saving grace, but that only buys him a wait and see.

The rest I don't think I'm inclined to vote for.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Balki, @BunnyGo:

During EoD1, was it your view that you were witnessing a Scum vs Scum situation?

It’s day 1...so I’m never sure. But Tem still seems scummy. And at the time I scum read worcej. Does that answer your question?

Yes.

[rdrivera2005]

I find the point on kgray interesting. She had a great start being logic and sharp but she didn't push things. Hard to tell if this is scummy or not because it's her first game.

Didn't she push the Temasek lynch pretty hard?

Like I said I am not doing a re-read, so it was what I remembered. But I did it now and you are right, she pushed Temasek a bit and was the second to vote him after Brain. But I will not give her a pass for helping lynch a town.

[rdrivera2005]

Xorxes, Kgray, Balki... Why haven't you voted yet?

I'm waiting for emc to show up, I will vote for him or Chaqa.

I'm assuming pjandy will be subbed. If not, I might vote for him as well depending on how convincing his excuses sound.

I don't really want to start a wagon on Balki or rivera at this point because I'm too unsure about them.

I suppose I could vote for Bob if a wagon forms as well. His vote for me was ridiculous since he didn't even read what happened. "Too scummy to be scum" is the only saving grace, but that only buys him a wait and see.

The rest I don't think I'm inclined to vote for.

I can join a wagon on Bob. I know we shouldn't try to outguess the GMs but I can't avoid thinking that if Sulit was town we will just have a modkill.

[xorxes]

I find the point on kgray interesting. She had a great start being logic and sharp but she didn't push things. Hard to tell if this is scummy or not because it's her first game.

Didn't she push the Temasek lynch pretty hard?

Like I said I am not doing a re-read, so it was what I remembered. But I did it now and you are right, she pushed Temasek a bit and was the second to vote him after Brain. But I will not give her a pass for helping lynch a town.

I'm not saying you should give her a pass for that. But the only negative point you mentioned is that she didn't push things, when in fact she did.

[xorxes]

Xorxes, Kgray, Balki... Why haven't you voted yet?

I'm waiting for emc to show up, I will vote for him or Chaqa.

I'm assuming pjandy will be subbed. If not, I might vote for him as well depending on how convincing his excuses sound.

I don't really want to start a wagon on Balki or rivera at this point because I'm too unsure about them.

I suppose I could vote for Bob if a wagon forms as well. His vote for me was ridiculous since he didn't even read what happened. "Too scummy to be scum" is the only saving grace, but that only buys him a wait and see.

The rest I don't think I'm inclined to vote for.

I can join a wagon on Bob. I know we shouldn't try to outguess the GMs but I can't avoid thinking that if Sulit was town we will just have a modkill.

Let's do it then ##VOTE Bob

[brainbomb]

Janet reached Bayfield with a half tank of gas to spare. The winds were blowing out from Michigan giving her the momentum she needed.
She spalshed into the cold shallows and tied the boat to a wooden beam before sloshing her way to shore.
Along the waterfront was one car, an old truck with no plates. A man stood beside it chewing a peice of grass, his hair was long and free flowing. He had a few freckles. He looked at Janet and gave a peace sign

Vote Count Day 3
e.m.c^42 (4) Fluminator Jamiet99uk BunnyGo bozotheclown
xorxes (3) Chaqa rdrivera2005 BobMcBob
Chaqa (2) Foxcastle damo666
Pjandy (1) worcej
BobMcBob (1) xorxes

End-votes (0/15): -


Non-votes
Balki Bartokomous, e.m.c^42, kgray, Pjandy

23.5 hours remain
EMC is scheduled to be lynched

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