M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[BunnyGo]

<snip>
I explained I made the change after he flat out lied about “look at the last 10 games I played” bit

Do you think most players check things like this or just say how things feel?

If you make a specific claim, I’m going to fact check. Especially for a player like Vecna

That's fine, but like, is there a reason to scum read them for hyperbolizing their feelings about previous games?

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE EMC

[BunnyGo]

EMC ISO:

EMC was actually quite active early on. Of his 21 posts, 11 of them were in the first four pages. He only started lurking after that.

Page 2 contains four posts which talk about the phase end time, the flavour, how excited he is that Balki, Bo and Flum are in the game, as he wants to see how "salty" they will get, and wondering if the new players have any experience. None of this is useful content.

Page 3 starts with a weird remark to Foxcastle about furry porn and slash fic. Then he engages with Brainbomb's stupid DnD game list. He is hurt that Worcej didn't realise he was in the game. None of this is useful content either.

He asks if Balki is "always this teethy"? having just on the previous page commented on how salty he expected Balki to be. This comes across as very fake on re-read.

Page 4 he has some initial comments on people which are actually of some relevance to the game. He thinks Worcej is more "lively" than before, that Chaqa is claiming to be busy "as usual", that he wants Vecna to wake up, and that "Balki is deliciously salty". And he has a read! A townread, on Brainbomb.

On Page 8, EMC wonders if Fluminator is attempting to seem like a noob.

On Page 10, he says he's busy.

Then he vanishes until page 42 (still during D1). He reappears and assesses the case on Temasek, and says doesn't think Temasek is scum.

P.43, he puts a "placeholder" vote on Fluminator. This is with 1hr 21mins until deadline. His vote will remain there until the end, on a pointless one-vote wagon.

On p.45 he expresses surprise at Flum's use of an emoticon.

On p.48 he laughs at a silly remark by Balki. The content of his post is of little importance, HOWEVER, it was made with two minutes to go until the deadline, showing that EMC was online at EoD.

Page 53 (N1) involves a chatty EMC buddying Vecna and saying "Flum is in my niche" (I have no idea what this means). He thinks that Worcej is town, but if scum, he reasons, Worcej would be Patient Zero.

Page 64, "oh no, RIP Brain".

On p.80 he's confused and on p.86 he promises to be more active. Three pages later he seems to have vanished again so no evidence of that.

Thanks for this, these two ISOs are excellent reads. I'm gonna ##VOTE EMC for now, and go do my bo_sox ISO.

[BunnyGo]

Keep the Chaqa votes coming

##Vote EMC

This is yet another weird Flum action...I could definitely get on a Flum wagon at this point.

[Foxcastle]

<snip> I'm not sure the two of them could pull that off without being too obvious about it.

I think I've just been insulted? I feel like my mentor Bugs would have some pithy comeback.

It’s not an insult. It’s an assessment. I think I missed a couple games you played... have you rolled scum in any prior games?

[BunnyGo]

I think the kill on bo_sox is indicative of either:
1. Scum hunting PRs
2. Scum wanting the kill to minimize information

It’s curios that none of the usual suspects were killed the first two nights. Xorxes, Balki especially.

Likelihood they are scum is super high

Not that I disagree, but I've had a question about this meta of the webdip mafia game: Since "everyone" knows that strong players are NKed early, doesn't mafia have an incentive to not NK them and let town mislynch them instead?

That said, if one of them is scum, my gut says it's Xorxes more than Balki. But I don't particularly scum read either of them.

[BunnyGo]

<snip> I'm not sure the two of them could pull that off without being too obvious about it.

I think I've just been insulted? I feel like my mentor Bugs would have some pithy comeback.

It’s not an insult. It’s an assessment. I think I missed a couple games you played... have you rolled scum in any prior games?

I've never rolled scum in any game. I was reavered (converted to scum) in a previous game.

[BunnyGo]

I think I've just been insulted? I feel like my mentor Bugs would have some pithy comeback.

It’s not an insult. It’s an assessment. I think I missed a couple games you played... have you rolled scum in any prior games?

I've never rolled scum in any game. I was reavered (converted to scum) in a previous game.

I was a PR, and had a mass claim (against my better wishes). I was the commuter. I taunted the reaver to come for me by accurately figuring out how to force them to reveal themselves. Then I commuted myself. But they got me on a later night.

[xorxes]

I think the kill on bo_sox is indicative of either:
1. Scum hunting PRs
2. Scum wanting the kill to minimize information

It’s curios that none of the usual suspects were killed the first two nights. Xorxes, Balki especially.

Likelihood they are scum is super high

There's a watcher this game. I love games with a watcher because it is a much better protection than the doctor for "the usual suspects".

[Jamiet99uk]

Keep the Chaqa votes coming

##Vote EMC

This is yet another weird Flum action...I could definitely get on a Flum wagon at this point.

I think he is bussing EMC here, but I am happy to assist him in lynching his team-mate.

[xorxes]

<snip>
I explained I made the change after he flat out lied about “look at the last 10 games I played” bit

Do you think most players check things like this or just say how things feel?

If you make a specific claim, I’m going to fact check. Especially for a player like Vecna

I don't recall you being so much into fact checking before. That's the kind of thing I associate with bozo, not with you. You are the type who forgets everything that happened in any previous game.

[BunnyGo]

bo_sox lurks and then comes in with an obnoxious ##VOTE JOJO post (that was the entirety). Followed by this one:

So bo_sox has been lurking enough to see what pisses me off, and notice that I call him (and others) for not posting, and then posts that and runs? Cool beans. Get back here and say something you useless yankee!

I read literally one post, and it was the one immediately prior to mine saying that you didn't like being called Jojo. So I called you Jojo. Fuck off please.

Then lurks and makes jokes about the NSA and dropping acid. Makes a snide comment that brainbomb should produce the entirety of his Chaqa dossier (aside: we never did get that...)

His next post is to then vote for brainbomb...

Posts a bunch of useless arguments and calls Worcej satan.

Then in Night 1 there was:

Pjandy is claaaaaassic noob scum.

I might be able to read later.

Posts nothing else N1 or D2...

Comes back in N3 and yells at everyone about the hammer. Then finally starts playing:

"Arbitrarily starts ready at 65" Calls out damo, says Chaqa has never been townier, then never scummier.

I'm not exactly sure what he was saying about Balki: "using his power for good, but hoping he's in a lot of people's EON scum reads"

Gives Flum town points.

Then an excellent but long post about lynching a lurker, and an analysis of the hammerers and vecna voters.

Wanted to put some pressure on Balki, kgray, bozo.

[xorxes]

Keep the Chaqa votes coming

##Vote EMC

This is yet another weird Flum action...I could definitely get on a Flum wagon at this point.

Why? What's so weird about it?

[BunnyGo]

tldr; of the bo_ ISO:

1) Long and slow start. I don't seem to see anything noteworthy before N2 EXCEPT that he asked brainbomb for a Chaqa dossier, and then voted for brain. Make of that what you will.

2) Says Andy is classic noob scum

3) Seems to like Flum for his ##unend.

4) Seems to have been gearing up for a Balki interrogation.

5) Wasn't opposed to lynching lurkers, but wanted better arguments for choosing them.

[BunnyGo]

Keep the Chaqa votes coming

##Vote EMC

This is yet another weird Flum action...I could definitely get on a Flum wagon at this point.

Why? What's so weird about it?

Saying he wants to have people vote for Chaq, but votes for EMC? Is this normal? Seems to just be sewing confusion

[xorxes]

I think the kill on bo_sox is indicative of either:
1. Scum hunting PRs
2. Scum wanting the kill to minimize information

It’s curios that none of the usual suspects were killed the first two nights. Xorxes, Balki especially.

Likelihood they are scum is super high

Not that I disagree, but I've had a question about this meta of the webdip mafia game: Since "everyone" knows that strong players are NKed early, doesn't mafia have an incentive to not NK them and let town mislynch them instead?

That said, if one of them is scum, my gut says it's Xorxes more than Balki. But I don't particularly scum read either of them.

The incentive to not NK the "strong players" is that they are more likely to be watched. They can't predict who the watcher will watch so they have to kill someone less obvious to minimize the risk of getting caught. I'm sure Chaqa knows this, so bringing this up as a reason to shade someone is not a good look.

[xorxes]

This is yet another weird Flum action...I could definitely get on a Flum wagon at this point.

Why? What's so weird about it?

Saying he wants to have people vote for Chaq, but votes for EMC? Is this normal? Seems to just be sewing confusion

Nah, that's fine.

[Chaqa]

I think the kill on bo_sox is indicative of either:
1. Scum hunting PRs
2. Scum wanting the kill to minimize information

It’s curios that none of the usual suspects were killed the first two nights. Xorxes, Balki especially.

Likelihood they are scum is super high

Not that I disagree, but I've had a question about this meta of the webdip mafia game: Since "everyone" knows that strong players are NKed early, doesn't mafia have an incentive to not NK them and let town mislynch them instead?

That said, if one of them is scum, my gut says it's Xorxes more than Balki. But I don't particularly scum read either of them.

The incentive to not NK the "strong players" is that they are more likely to be watched. They can't predict who the watcher will watch so they have to kill someone less obvious to minimize the risk of getting caught. I'm sure Chaqa knows this, so bringing this up as a reason to shade someone is not a good look.

I honesty hadn’t considered that. Makes more sense that way, but it’s also a pretty convenient point to make that I feel you already had in mind because you’re scum.

[xorxes]

I explained I made the change after he flat out lied about “look at the last 10 games I played” bit

I would say it was an exaggeration rather than a lie. I'm sure I have said similar things about myself in the past and I know it is not true that I am always killed early even though sometimes it feels that way. So I don't think Vecna saying that was particularly noteworthy. The self-hammer was much worse but you still were opposed to hammering him for that.

Eh, everyone has different things that are important to them.

Yes, and if it was for example Jamie that got all worked up about a "lie" like this I would not be surprized. But that's not the kind of thing you tend to react to.

[xorxes]

Not that I disagree, but I've had a question about this meta of the webdip mafia game: Since "everyone" knows that strong players are NKed early, doesn't mafia have an incentive to not NK them and let town mislynch them instead?

That said, if one of them is scum, my gut says it's Xorxes more than Balki. But I don't particularly scum read either of them.

The incentive to not NK the "strong players" is that they are more likely to be watched. They can't predict who the watcher will watch so they have to kill someone less obvious to minimize the risk of getting caught. I'm sure Chaqa knows this, so bringing this up as a reason to shade someone is not a good look.

I honesty hadn’t considered that. Makes more sense that way, but it’s also a pretty convenient point to make that I feel you already had in mind because you’re scum.

bozo made this point already before me. And yes, I would say that if I was scum, but how is my saying it alignment indicative? It's completely NAI, so if you take is as meaningful it's pure confbias.