M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[bo_sox48]

Current thoughts in no particular order or structure:

• Lynching a lurker can be smart. I don't think it was a dumb move today, and I honestly applaud all of you for not only gathering up the courage to convey that line of thinking but also sticking to it. But the implementation of it was fucking miserable. Why hammer? Even if the hammer mechanics were more in line with the norm, it makes no sense. I don't know how ending the day early before any of the many lurkers, myself included, had time to talk was something anyone was comfortable with, but out of the 9 people who ended up hammering a fair number of you were perfectly okay with it.

• Of the 8 people that voted for Vecna, only 5 of them were voting to hammer. Of the 9 people that voted to hammer, 6 of them were voting for Vecna. All six within that overlapping group (damo666, Fluminator, Foxcastle, Chaqa, xorxes, Vecna) were active toward the end of the day. Of those six, Fluminator and Chaqa were quite hesitant to end it. Xorxes was ready to give Vecna a pass for the day before bouncing back to him. Damo and Fox, what were you thinking? Were you all in on hammering Vecna?

• All three people who hammered and voted for someone other than Vecna (Jamie, worcej, Bunny), at least from what I recall, did not appear to be online when the traction against him grew. Strange that nobody on the Vecna wagon wanted to wait for them and see if they might do something that would leave a tidbit of information for us later by voting for and hammering Vecna, voting for without hammering Vecna, or not voting for Vecna.

• There was very little discussion regarding lynching by merit since page 65. Vecna basically suicided, so I don't feel like counting that as lynching by merit personally. As such, I hope that everyone is willing to provide some reads before the night ends and give us a better idea of where we stand when it comes to popular wagons for tomorrow.

• Assuming that there will be some traction on the remaining lurkers when day breaks, please divulge why one is more lynchworthy than another so that I can fucking have a clue what you clowns are doing.

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[bo_sox48]

• Of the 8 people that voted for Vecna, only 5 of them were voting to hammer. Of the 9 people that voted to hammer, 6 of them were voting for Vecna. All six within that overlapping group (damo666, Fluminator, Foxcastle, Chaqa, xorxes, Vecna) were active toward the end of the day. Of those six, Fluminator and Chaqa were quite hesitant to end it. Xorxes was ready to give Vecna a pass for the day before bouncing back to him. Damo and Fox, what were you thinking? Were you all in on hammering Vecna?

May make sense to also ask why Balki, kgray, and bozo, who voted for Vecna, didn't hammer.

[Fluminator]

Ok Bo is town and off the lurker list. Beautiful.

EMC, can you go over your thoughts as well beyond "I'm confused lol"

[bo_sox48]

That's all I had to do?

See you guys in a week

[xorxes]

• Lynching a lurker can be smart. I don't think it was a dumb move today, and I honestly applaud all of you for not only gathering up the courage to convey that line of thinking but also sticking to it. But the implementation of it was fucking miserable. Why hammer? Even if the hammer mechanics were more in line with the norm, it makes no sense. I don't know how ending the day early before any of the many lurkers, myself included, had time to talk was something anyone was comfortable with, but out of the 9 people who ended up hammering a fair number of you were perfectly okay with it.

I more or less agree, but something is missing.

Threatening to hammer is not the same as hammering, and before Vecna voted to end himself nobody was willing to drive the final nail in. I think bozo was the only one who said he would be willing to do it but didn't actually do it. And if Vecna had not ended himself, whoever did cast the 9th vote would have had to give a very good justification. If Vecna had not ended, the phase most likely would have continued, and maybe someone else would have been the final lynch. I at least was willing to listen to him. Vecna gave up, and it looked like it was scum giving up or at least trying some last resort appeal to emotion. Voting for yourself makes no sense as any alignment. Sometimes scum do it to save themselves, and it only has a chance of working because sometimes townies do it as well, for no rational reason. So yes, it was bad, and we need to reread to see who did what, but a lot of the blame was with Vecna himself.

And btw, welcome to the game! The player you are replacing really sucked.

[rdrivera2005]

How on Earth do you guys lynched Vecna? And who changed the rule on hammering? It was forever majority voting both on the biggest wagon and to hammer. Even the bot count this way.

Now I will read the last 20 pages.

[Nephthys]

Please note phase change will be tomorrow at the nomral time

END OF NIGHT 2 HAS BEEN BOUGHT FORWARD 24 HOURS

[Balki Bartokomous]

Okay, I just read the hammer mechanic. I don't really like that you can hammer with a majority, even when that majority is not all voting for the same person.

##unend

Though, I would be willing to hammer Vecna if we have a majority of players who want to hammer Vecna. And I think we should give him some period of time to check in and plead his case.

Here we see Balki using his powers for good, not evil. But why is he using his powers for good? And why is he willing to be evil to hammer Vecna?

Update: like 50 other people caught onto this. Hopefully Balki is in some EON scumreads.

@Bo,

Can you flesh this thought out more please? What do you mean when you say “using his powers for good”?

Is this “why is he willing to be evil to hammer Vecna” a question for me or a question for everyone else? Based on your phrasing, it seems more like a rhetorical question for the group. But it’s a bit odd that you’re asking the group and not asking me.

And strange phrasing to hope that “Balki is in some EON scum reads.” Am I among your scumreads? Why are you hoping I am in EON scum reads”?

This feels like a passive aggressive way of going after me. Why not just punch me in the face?

[Balki Bartokomous]

How on Earth do you guys lynched Vecna? And who changed the rule on hammering? It was forever majority voting both on the biggest wagon and to hammer. Even the bot count this way.

Now I will read the last 20 pages.

Well this is a silly post.

[xorxes]

How on Earth do you guys lynched Vecna? And who changed the rule on hammering? It was forever majority voting both on the biggest wagon and to hammer. Even the bot count this way.

Now I will read the last 20 pages.

Well this is a silly post.

Sanctimonious I believe is the word you're looking for.

[rdrivera2005]

How on Earth do you guys lynched Vecna? And who changed the rule on hammering? It was forever majority voting both on the biggest wagon and to hammer. Even the bot count this way.

Now I will read the last 20 pages.

Well this is a silly post.

Why it's silly? When I voted end I didn't knew the hammer mechanic have changed and I never expected it will really happen. And I also said that lynching Vecna wasn't a good option.

You, as any town with half a brain retracted on your end vote. I really doubt we don't have at least 2 scum between the late end voters (Xorxes, Fox, Flum and Chaqa). And Vecna didn't suicide, anyone pushing this is scum, there were two end votes after him that clearly know what they are doing.

[Jamiet99uk]

Who in the actual shit thinks it's a good idea to hammer day 2 instead of letting the lynch play out at EOD and learning from it, especially when EOD is on a weekend when all of us can actually be around for it for a change

Oh hello.

Why don't youi check in every 24hrs or more, you fucking prick??

Go fuck yourself, and shut your hole.

[xorxes]

Ok Bo is town and off the lurker list. Beautiful.

EMC, can you go over your thoughts as well beyond "I'm confused lol"

Why is he town? I have seen him suddenly show up with these long disquisitions as scum before. Off the lurker list, maybe, if he keeps it up, but why town?

[xorxes]

How on Earth do you guys lynched Vecna? And who changed the rule on hammering? It was forever majority voting both on the biggest wagon and to hammer. Even the bot count this way.

Now I will read the last 20 pages.

Well this is a silly post.

Why it's silly? When I voted end I didn't knew the hammer mechanic have changed and I never expected it will really happen. And I also said that lynching Vecna wasn't a good option.

You, as any town with half a brain retracted on your end vote. I really doubt we don't have at least 2 scum between the late end voters (Xorxes, Fox, Flum and Chaqa). And Vecna didn't suicide, anyone pushing this is scum, there were two end votes after him that clearly know what they are doing.

Whatever anyone else's responsibilities were, the hammer would not have gone through without Vecna's end vote, so it was at least in part a suicide.

[Foxcastle]

I moved from Bo to Vecna when I did because I didn't want an accidental tie. Vecna was just getting going with his indignity routine, and I thought it fit huffy scum.

[xorxes]

I moved from Bo to Vecna when I did because I didn't want an accidental tie. Vecna was just getting going with his indignity routine, and I thought it fit huffy scum.

I don't really understand why there was any worry about a tie. If someone hammered a tie, they were basically admitting to being scum, and it wouldn't even cost us a mislynch, so why so worried about a hammered tie?

[Foxcastle]

I moved from Bo to Vecna when I did because I didn't want an accidental tie. Vecna was just getting going with his indignity routine, and I thought it fit huffy scum.

I don't really understand why there was any worry about a tie. If someone hammered a tie, they were basically admitting to being scum, and it wouldn't even cost us a mislynch, so why so worried about a hammered tie?

I think there was a reasonable amount of worry (or at least I was reasonably worried) about an accidental tie.

[rdrivera2005]

I moved from Bo to Vecna when I did because I didn't want an accidental tie. Vecna was just getting going with his indignity routine, and I thought it fit huffy scum.

I don't really understand why there was any worry about a tie. If someone hammered a tie, they were basically admitting to being scum, and it wouldn't even cost us a mislynch, so why so worried about a hammered tie?

I think there was a reasonable amount of worry (or at least I was reasonably worried) about an accidental tie.

I can understand not wanting an accidental tie. I can't understand lynching Vecna after he started to participate, even if he was being stubborn. It's not like he hadn't done things like this before.

[xorxes]

I moved from Bo to Vecna when I did because I didn't want an accidental tie. Vecna was just getting going with his indignity routine, and I thought it fit huffy scum.

I don't really understand why there was any worry about a tie. If someone hammered a tie, they were basically admitting to being scum, and it wouldn't even cost us a mislynch, so why so worried about a hammered tie?

I think there was a reasonable amount of worry (or at least I was reasonably worried) about an accidental tie.

Accidental ties are a risk at EOD with a time limit, when votes are flying every which way, but with a hammer there's not much risk. Whoever casts the final hammering vote has the resposibility of knowing exactly what they are hammering.

[Foxcastle]

I don't really understand why there was any worry about a tie. If someone hammered a tie, they were basically admitting to being scum, and it wouldn't even cost us a mislynch, so why so worried about a hammered tie?

I think there was a reasonable amount of worry (or at least I was reasonably worried) about an accidental tie.

Accidental ties are a risk at EOD with a time limit, when votes are flying every which way, but with a hammer there's not much risk. Whoever casts the final hammering vote has the resposibility of knowing exactly what they are hammering.

It's nice to say that that person has that responsibility, but there's no guarantee you won't get a crosspost or, you know, a self-vote. Even less of a guarantee that some player will just waltz in doing whatever.