M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[xorxes]

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This back and forth between Flum and Balki plus the patient zero counterclaims is kind of cringe.

Just curious. What do you mean by "cringe"? I thought it was kind of funny, but I generally crack myself up.

I mean it makes me feel uncomfortable for you two.

[Balki Bartokomous]

So, my thoughts on worcej:

(1) I felt like his apparent strong townread on Tem was really surprising, and I don't think he has justified it well. I just can't understand how someone in worcej's shoes would conclude strongly that Tem was Town on Day 1, and his continual justification that "Tem seemed like bad town," while refusing to explain why that explanation was more likely to him on Day 1 than "bad scum" strikes me as defensive and dismissive. (and obnoxious, but that's NAI)

(2) Though...defensiveness and dismissiveness are not all that alignment indicative. And, I'm getting this righteous indignation from worcej that I feel like I get a lot from people I have mislynched in the past. Worcej is so combative and refuses to compromise or capitulate in a way that I find very townie. Scum!worcej would back down and try to please me, at least a little.

So, I am leaning town!worcej for the moment.

[kgray]

Indirectly, yes. Is that important to you?

If the basis of your scumread on Balki is that he's creating noise as a distraction to hurt town, then yes. It is important to me that you claim his tactics are anti-town while also admitting they have a pro-town outcome.

I think any scum's actions can have a pro-town outcome when you analyze them once you know their alignment, so I don't see why this important to bring up.

I don't follow - why do you have to know their alignment?

And I realize that scum actions can have a pro-town outcome. But if something does have a pro-town outcome, my first instinct isn't that it's scummy. I'm not saying Balki can't be scum. I'm saying I don't think this is a good foundation for an argument that he is.

[xorxes]

if theres 1 scumread I have that would blow everyones reads up its that Jamie is actually scum

There is one key component that I think is missing from arriving to this conclusion. It may show itself soon though.

@worcej, what did you mean by this?

[worcej]

If the basis of your scumread on Balki is that he's creating noise as a distraction to hurt town, then yes. It is important to me that you claim his tactics are anti-town while also admitting they have a pro-town outcome.

I think any scum's actions can have a pro-town outcome when you analyze them once you know their alignment, so I don't see why this important to bring up.

I don't follow - why do you have to know their alignment?

And I realize that scum actions can have a pro-town outcome. But if something does have a pro-town outcome, my first instinct isn't that it's scummy. I'm not saying Balki can't be scum. I'm saying I don't think this is a good foundation for an argument that he is.

Because the only certainty of anyone's alignment is the flip.

Your assessment and reasoning is valid, but I think your leaving a key component out of it while making your (assumed) judgement. You are ignoring the intention or motivation Balki had by doing it.

[worcej]

if theres 1 scumread I have that would blow everyones reads up its that Jamie is actually scum

There is one key component that I think is missing from arriving to this conclusion. It may show itself soon though.

@worcej, what did you mean by this?

That one of the key components of scum!jamie is missing to have me reach the conclusion that he is scum.

I'd rather not blurt it out, but he has a typical style when he is scum.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Right now, I'd like us to lynch Vecna, Bo, or PJandy.

But that is based more on my feelings and their disrespect to everyone who is actually playing.

Still, my feelings matter.

##vote Vecna

[xorxes]

##VOTE Vecna

[Foxcastle]

Right now, I'd like us to lynch Vecna, Bo, or PJandy.

But that is based more on my feelings and their disrespect to everyone who is actually playing.

Still, my feelings matter.

##vote Vecna

I’ll help out with ##VOTE BO

[worcej]

Right now, I'd like us to lynch Vecna, Bo, or PJandy.

But that is based more on my feelings and their disrespect to everyone who is actually playing.

Still, my feelings matter.

##vote Vecna

I’ll help out with ##VOTE BO

I'll make it interesting and go with ##vote pjandy

[e.m.c^42]

Oh no, rip brain

We've been about as effective as the good ol' murican government so far.

[BunnyGo]

OK, I had some time now to ISO brain. He makes 2 early posts, either of which could be crumbs. I'm not able to understand what Iron Golems have to do with anything (minecraft aficionados here?) but Osmosis Jones is a police officer white blood cell.

I arrive on a chariot drawn by iron golems

I will watch osmosis jones now to help me find the contagion

Early vote on vecna, and town read on worcej.

Praises Balki. Calls kgray a "hornet" (I don't know the term, but said he liked her)

Town so far
Balki
worcej
kgray
jamiet

Claims "xorxes feels a little off." that he "didn't feel reserved"

States he's assuming Chaq is scum. and "bo is town, that's my take"

Scumreads
Vecna
Jamie
Chaqa

that is all so far

His next two posts states he'd like to lynch the lurkers, and that the following people feel towny:

bunny, emc, balki, bo, worcej, new girl, bozo, rivera

Switches vote to temasek. But says again vecna is making him uncomfortable.

"EMC looks town compared to last game"

The he has a long post on lots of topics including: prodding worc and flum about vecna. Stating that Fox has made him second guess his town read on me (BUNNY!), jamie is town, chaq is unimpressive, temasek will likely be his final vote. He's still scum reading vecna.

At night he said:

I'd be shocked worcej was scum, the wagon was scummier.
Start lynching low posters: vecna, pj, sulit, bo.

then made strange comment about vig shooting vecna.

Then threw bozo into his list of candidates to lynch, and removed bo. Then later put bo back in...Said rivera was a distant 5th. He really goes all over here.

OK, a tldr; for Damo and all coming up next!

[BunnyGo]

tldr;

1) I don't understand how Fulminator could have looked for crumbs and not found them. That's really suspicious.

2) Brain was all over vecna, all day and night.

3) By the end he was mostly harping on low posters, but also threw in bozo and rivera as distant candidates. Never seemed to like Chaq.

4) Strong townread on jamie, kgray, worcej. Town lean Balki. Seemed to town lean me, but then had one post saying he wanted a closer look.

5) Said xorxes was an enigma.

@Fulm Did you actually look for crumbs when you said you did? Did you see those 2 posts? Did you think about them?

[BunnyGo]

Sorry Flum, I'll get your name right. Letter orders are a bitch when I don't have habitual clues to go on. It's not intentional.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Thanks Bunny. I found that helpful.

[Balki Bartokomous]

You think these MIA dudes are even going to show up and notice this attention?

[BunnyGo]

You think these MIA dudes are even going to show up and notice this attention?

I know Andy. I suggested he might enjoy this while on lockdown. He’s solid at games, but slow to start. I have hopes he shows up.

[Foxcastle]

You think these MIA dudes are even going to show up and notice this attention?

What do you think of the theory that scum hides among lurkers, and how it might apply to these lurkers?

[Balki Bartokomous]

You think these MIA dudes are even going to show up and notice this attention?

What do you think of the theory that scum hides among lurkers, and how it might apply to these lurkers?

I don’t really buy into that theory, honestly. But I don’t have any great leads right now among people who are playing, which increases the odds of catching scum among the dodgers. And I’m just particularly annoyed at Bo and Vecna for their haughty attitudes.

It is a very difficult game if the norm is that people can just skip the whole thing.

[rdrivera2005]

You think these MIA dudes are even going to show up and notice this attention?

What do you think of the theory that scum hides among lurkers, and how it might apply to these lurkers?

I don’t really buy into that theory, honestly. But I don’t have any great leads right now among people who are playing, which increases the odds of catching scum among the dodgers. And I’m just particularly annoyed at Bo and Vecna for their haughty attitudes.

It is a very difficult game if the norm is that people can just skip the whole thing.

I think after last game were scum were all the the bottom posters the scumteam on this game will probably try another tactic. But we can usually find at least one scum between the lurkers, the problem is finding the right one with almost no info.
From this trio, Vecna is the one I am less inclined to push a lynch, I think he might be trying to avoid an early NK. I would not mind lynching bo or Andy and even Sulit slot deserve to be considered if the sub doesn't engage.