M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[brainbomb]

Coronavirus is actually capt tripps from the stand and soon trump will order the army to start burning bodies and executing reporters

[Nephthys]

And alas this is why we can’t have night things,

With the dissolution of no WHO the people took it on themselves to wipe out the virus. They were united as one. It was so easy, so obvious.

They followed it back to the source and did what had to be done.

There was no more corona.

Brainbomb has died, they were the the town role cop

[BunnyGo]

Goddamn. RIP Brain.

[worcej]

Now that D2 is up...

@worcej,

That is the explanation that you think is satisfactory and does not warrant any follow-up?

I think Temasek is town. He isn't a veteran or someone I consider 'good' - he strikes me as just bad town trying to live.

You think that explanation is so damn adequate that I shouldn't ask questions about it and I'm scum for trying to follow-up?

You think he's town because he strikes you as bad town?

That's not enough.

Think I addressed that with this:

Can I ask what posts I have made that is me trying to win town credit?

Sure. The one where you come out pretty firmly saying you think that Tem is town without good reasons.

Can you answer my earlier questions? Do you think Town!Tem was actually putting together a reaction test? Or do you think he was just frazzled and made that up, but is frazzled town rather than frazzled scum?

You don't think my reasoning was enough? I made it pretty obvious - he isn't a good player.

I think town!Tem is very capable of making a bad play like that thinking it would help. It is on par with his bad choices he has made in prior games and fits his meta, which is currently what I am going with over your implied opinions because it is D1.

It wasn't just because he is 'bad town' - there was more to it than that (see above).

Any more questions I can use my prior quotes to address for you?

[worcej]

[...]

I have been thinking about Worcej and how maybe he isn’t scum. I wasn’t wrong to call him on leaving his vote on me for no reason, but maybe I pushed back more than I needed to because I was irritated at him for it, and the ensuing conflict probably didn’t help me think as clearly as I should. As another point, his view that he laid out in post 1158 is too inane for him to be scum, I think—if you know you’re town, you should always try to survive over another player that you cannot know is town. And yet another, I doubt scum would proclaim that being right on a mislynch validated them as town. He has been surly and unhelpful as town before, but it would be nice if he would break out of that mindset, because if he’s town, getting himself mislynched for being an asshole is not helping us win.

[...]

If I get lynched for being an asshole then those who vote for me are actually not trying to sort this game out.

[rdrivera2005]

Well, that's pretty bad.

[BunnyGo]

Also, where’s our Rookie of the year? Kgray has gone and disappeared.

I'm around, I just don't feel like I have a lot to contribute.

I still don't understand worcej's refusal to vote Tem, but I'm not going to pressure that because others are already doing it and at this point I don't think that me repeating the same questions would be productive. And even though I don't think worcej is being particularly helpful in explaining his case, I'm not sure that makes him mafia anyway. So I'm trying not to get hung up on that.

I do think it's kind of weird that you made such a big deal out of Tem being so scummy that the GM made a mistake, and yet you never voted for him. I'll go back and see if you explained why in case I missed it, but if you didn't, can you give your reasoning?

Yes, there were several small wagons at the time (I'd have to go to the bot to remind myself what they were). I thought only Tem was a solid wagon, and wanted more options of solid wagons to get action (I remember thinking the other wagons were pretty likely to be town). I thought worcej was also pretty scummy. I was pretty sure Tem was going to be a large wagon (at one point I think he was over half the voters), but I wanted the alternate wagon to be worcej because he was a strong second for me.

After reading their ISOs at night, I was surprised how much I was wrong about worcej. It was hard before to town read him because he had lots of little spammy posts, but when seen in ISO (that is, isolation of just his posts) they end up being quite interesting and towny.

Tem's ISO actually made him look scummier than I'd originally thought he was.

[worcej]

FWIW -
Temasek22 (7) brainbomb kgray Jamiet99uk bozotheclown rdrivera2005 Chaqa damo666
worcej (4) BunnyGo Fluminator Balki Bartokomous Foxcastle
brainbomb (3) Vecna bo_sox48 Temasek22
Foxcastle (1) worcej
Chaqa (1) xorxes
No‑Lynch (1) Pjandy
Fluminator (1) e.m.c^42

[Fluminator]

awww

[worcej]

Also, bozo's little 'thing':
Jamie 7
kgray 7
xorxes 7
Balki 6
brainbomb 5
bozo 3
rdrivera 3
BunnyGo 2
bo_sox 2
damo 2
emc 2
Fluminator 2
Foxcastle 2
sulit 1
Chaqa 0
Pjandy 0
Temasek 0
Vecna 0
worcej 0

[worcej]

Good.
if I die tonight lynch these people because I dont trust them

pj
vecna
bozo
sulit

Pulling this one out now that I am re-reading. Opinions from others welcome.

[Foxcastle]

If I get lynched for being an asshole then those who vote for me are actually not trying to sort this game out.
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If you're town but insist on being a smoldering little box of bile, then you're not helping other town sort you as such, and you're giving scum an opening to get a wagon going on you. You can get all high-minded about how town should be better than that and not fall for it, but you know that's not the case, and if you were trying to be helpful instead of perpetuating this ugly persona, it wouldn't even be an issue to begin with.

[Fluminator]

Do we have a replacement for solit?

Xorxes, why do you think brainbomb was nightkilled?

[Fluminator]

worcej, can you stop with the martyr act at this point. You're still probably safe. But dang you're so defensive.

[damo666]

##vote Flum

[worcej]

If you're town but insist on being a smoldering little box of bile, then you're not helping other town sort you as such, and you're giving scum an opening to get a wagon going on you. You can get all high-minded about how town should be better than that and not fall for it, but you know that's not the case, and if you were trying to be helpful instead of perpetuating this ugly persona, it wouldn't even be an issue to begin with.

I cannot change your opinion of my persona because I refuse to change who I am. In fact, I've been scummed for being 'different' in previous games.

The only person I am being bile towards is Balki, for very valid reasons from my perspective. I didn't even scratch the surface of my 'persona' when it came to you.

[worcej]

worcej, can you stop with the martyr act at this point. You're still probably safe. But dang you're so defensive.

I think you are assuming I am defensive because you are reading too heavily into the text.

I am annoyed, there is a difference.

[Foxcastle]

If you're town but insist on being a smoldering little box of bile, then you're not helping other town sort you as such, and you're giving scum an opening to get a wagon going on you. You can get all high-minded about how town should be better than that and not fall for it, but you know that's not the case, and if you were trying to be helpful instead of perpetuating this ugly persona, it wouldn't even be an issue to begin with.

I cannot change your opinion of my persona because I refuse to change who I am. In fact, I've been scummed for being 'different' in previous games.

The only person I am being bile towards is Balki, for very valid reasons from my perspective. I didn't even scratch the surface of my 'persona' when it came to you.

[Fluminator]

##Vote EMC

I also just realized how little xorxes has done so far.

[worcej]

If you're town but insist on being a smoldering little box of bile, then you're not helping other town sort you as such, and you're giving scum an opening to get a wagon going on you. You can get all high-minded about how town should be better than that and not fall for it, but you know that's not the case, and if you were trying to be helpful instead of perpetuating this ugly persona, it wouldn't even be an issue to begin with.

I cannot change your opinion of my persona because I refuse to change who I am. In fact, I've been scummed for being 'different' in previous games.

The only person I am being bile towards is Balki, for very valid reasons from my perspective. I didn't even scratch the surface of my 'persona' when it came to you.

Fair response - as we had a moment on D1, let's continue to not focus on how we don't necessarily like each other's approach.

Why do you think BB was hit Fox?