M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[BunnyGo]

I’m confused, is this germane to this game and scum hunting, or are people just arguing theory of how to play? And rehashing past games? If it’s germane, can someone clue me in why.

[Vecna]

The vig should shoot vecna

Yes. Or maybe we should organize a poll to see who the vig should shoot.

Brainbomb knows im on steam busy doing other shit thats more fun to me than this, so him calling for this nonsense here is very scummy.

[xorxes]

The vig should shoot vecna

Yes. Or maybe we should organize a poll to see who the vig should shoot.

Brainbomb knows im on steam busy doing other shit thats more fun to me than this, so him calling for this nonsense here is very scummy.

Hmm... But how do we know if you're town not paying any attention, or scum pretending not to be paying attention?

[worcej]

I do not think Temasek is that new, and I would not characterize him as a bad player. Can you elaborate on why you think he is not a good player, and what he specifically has done as a town PR that you think was bad?

Let's see... Here is my analysis of Tem as a player.

1. M52 - He was meh at RP in Kitsune's game because after failing to convert Bunny (which should instantly mean Bunny was the Pilot) he went for him again instead of trying to go for an optimal target in the clear list.
2. More M52 - He also couldn't prevent himself from a Reaver Press violation which ultimately revealed him via GM Note to be anti-town (though the jig was almost up due to the mass claim)
3. M51 - he barely played at LyLo and got himself lynched by not trying in a critical time.
4. M50 - He barely contributed to the mafia QT and was overall passive to the rest of the team. I took this as he had little confidence in his own ability as scum. Ultimately he died due to Darg swapping him, but on my re-read he seemed meh as scum.
5. M49 - He was tracker and dropped unnecessary crumbs and felt forced to claim with almost 3 hours left in the phase. He also thought posting low amounts would keep him from being killed by scum.
6. M48 - He gave up as the last scum without trying too hard.

Overall, inexperienced and not someone to make sound decisions in tough moments.

OK, but none of these indicate that he has a tendency to get scum read as town. Also, it is not clear to me from this why you thought what Temasek was doing was bad town play as opposed to bad scum play.

The point was to indicate I think he is a bad player, therefor his actions of intentionally being scummy is entirely in the realm of his town play, thus I thought he was town. Also, I was also showing you he has been more passive as scum in the past so I don’t think he would have the balls to be this aggressive as scum now.

[Vecna]

Yes. Or maybe we should organize a poll to see who the vig should shoot.

Brainbomb knows im on steam busy doing other shit thats more fun to me than this, so him calling for this nonsense here is very scummy.

Hmm... But how do we know if you're town not paying any attention, or scum pretending not to be paying attention?

Scum will kill me soon enough, because they know ill solve the game in a day if im still alive d3-4, whether ive been participating or not.

You have plenty of useful lynches untill that time, im sure.

[xorxes]

Let's see... Here is my analysis of Tem as a player.

1. M52 - He was meh at RP in Kitsune's game because after failing to convert Bunny (which should instantly mean Bunny was the Pilot) he went for him again instead of trying to go for an optimal target in the clear list.
2. More M52 - He also couldn't prevent himself from a Reaver Press violation which ultimately revealed him via GM Note to be anti-town (though the jig was almost up due to the mass claim)
3. M51 - he barely played at LyLo and got himself lynched by not trying in a critical time.
4. M50 - He barely contributed to the mafia QT and was overall passive to the rest of the team. I took this as he had little confidence in his own ability as scum. Ultimately he died due to Darg swapping him, but on my re-read he seemed meh as scum.
5. M49 - He was tracker and dropped unnecessary crumbs and felt forced to claim with almost 3 hours left in the phase. He also thought posting low amounts would keep him from being killed by scum.
6. M48 - He gave up as the last scum without trying too hard.

Overall, inexperienced and not someone to make sound decisions in tough moments.

OK, but none of these indicate that he has a tendency to get scum read as town. Also, it is not clear to me from this why you thought what Temasek was doing was bad town play as opposed to bad scum play.

The point was to indicate I think he is a bad player, therefor his actions of intentionally being scummy is entirely in the realm of his town play, thus I thought he was town. Also, I was also showing you he has been more passive as scum in the past so I don’t think he would have the balls to be this aggressive as scum now.

Which post of his did you find aggressive?

He was all fluff, which is what got him scumread, and then he claimed he was doing it on purpose.

[xorxes]

Brainbomb knows im on steam busy doing other shit thats more fun to me than this, so him calling for this nonsense here is very scummy.

Hmm... But how do we know if you're town not paying any attention, or scum pretending not to be paying attention?

Scum will kill me soon enough, because they know ill solve the game in a day if im still alive d3-4, whether ive been participating or not.

You have plenty of useful lynches untill that time, im sure.

We were not discussing lynching you, we were asking the Vig to shoot you.

[Fluminator]

Lets lunch Vecna tomorrow unless he obvtowns

[Foxcastle]

Are you talking about the game where I was lynched as the cop?

Yes, and now that I remember it was you, I do remember you claimed, but too late.

With the doctor already dead, there was no point in claiming early because I would have just been NKed. It was not certain I would be lynched until the last minute, when I claimed cop to at least try to make the mafia use a NK on me.

However, the reason I asked about it was because you were mafia that game and therefore would not have been disappointed about my getting lynched without claiming, yet the way you worded your statement it sounds like it is coming from the perspective of someone who was town both games.

I was presumably not disappointed in that game, it's true. But I wasn't thinking of the details of that game specifically beyond the PR death parallel, and I certainly wasn't secretly gloating about it. It does not change that I'm disappointed to mislynch a PR this game, nor does it change that if I were scum, I'd still say that.

[Vecna]

Lets lunch Vecna tomorrow unless he obvtowns

Nah, thats too early

[BunnyGo]

Hmm... But how do we know if you're town not paying any attention, or scum pretending not to be paying attention?

Scum will kill me soon enough, because they know ill solve the game in a day if im still alive d3-4, whether ive been participating or not.

You have plenty of useful lynches untill that time, im sure.

We were not discussing lynching you, we were asking the Vig to shoot you.

WHAT VIG? I’m so confused. Is there any point to these posts people are making, or is this whole fu$&ing game gonna be a joke phase?!

I’m gonna go reread worcej and Temasek now.

[worcej]

OK, but none of these indicate that he has a tendency to get scum read as town. Also, it is not clear to me from this why you thought what Temasek was doing was bad town play as opposed to bad scum play.

The point was to indicate I think he is a bad player, therefor his actions of intentionally being scummy is entirely in the realm of his town play, thus I thought he was town. Also, I was also showing you he has been more passive as scum in the past so I don’t think he would have the balls to be this aggressive as scum now.

Which post of his did you find aggressive?

He was all fluff, which is what got him scumread, and then he claimed he was doing it on purpose.

I would categorize a scum trying to sell that they were intentionally being scummy as a reaction teat would be aggressive.

[xorxes]

Scum will kill me soon enough, because they know ill solve the game in a day if im still alive d3-4, whether ive been participating or not.

You have plenty of useful lynches untill that time, im sure.

We were not discussing lynching you, we were asking the Vig to shoot you.

WHAT VIG? I’m so confused. Is there any point to these posts people are making, or is this whole fu$&ing game gonna be a joke phase?!

I’m gonna go reread worcej and Temasek now.

Vecna was concerned that the Vig might take brain's advice and shoot him.

I was trying to figure out where that concern came from. I'm still not sure.

[xorxes]

The point was to indicate I think he is a bad player, therefor his actions of intentionally being scummy is entirely in the realm of his town play, thus I thought he was town. Also, I was also showing you he has been more passive as scum in the past so I don’t think he would have the balls to be this aggressive as scum now.

Which post of his did you find aggressive?

He was all fluff, which is what got him scumread, and then he claimed he was doing it on purpose.

I would categorize a scum trying to sell that they were intentionally being scummy as a reaction teat would be aggressive.

If a scum realizes that they were being scummy and they are called out for it, one way of trying to get out of it is to claim that they were doing it on purpose. That doesn't seem particularly aggressive.

[e.m.c^42]

Are we collectively trolling Vecna for not reading or something?

[e.m.c^42]

Vec darlin' imma pull on you, stroking right supinator this time.

[e.m.c^42]

Flum is in my niche and it's terribly disconcerting.

[worcej]

Which post of his did you find aggressive?

He was all fluff, which is what got him scumread, and then he claimed he was doing it on purpose.

I would categorize a scum trying to sell that they were intentionally being scummy as a reaction teat would be aggressive.

If a scum realizes that they were being scummy and they are called out for it, one way of trying to get out of it is to claim that they were doing it on purpose. That doesn't seem particularly aggressive.

That is a valid general opinion that applies a majority of the time but definitely not in the case of Tem.

Regardless - I take solace in the fact my intuition on Tem was correct.

[e.m.c^42]

Despite personal actions as scum of towning rival wagon last game on day 1 Worce seems towny enough for it. Can understand his reasoning for townreading Tem. On chance he is scum then more likely the clueless one.

[e.m.c^42]

Ah, forgot to spread sentences out to one a post for maximum damo-likeness.