M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

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Re: M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

#901 Post by e.m.c^42 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:45 pm

Fluminator wrote:
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I don't see how any reasonable person can think tem is towny right now xD
Nothing to do with anything indicative necessarily but have never seen you use this type of emoticon

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Re: M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

#902 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:46 pm

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My point is that I have never seen scum really get credit from defending a town. Usually you get exactly what he is getting now, people thinking you have more info them you should. Could you show me one example of this working?
The question really should not be "can you find an example of this working?" The question should be "can you find an example of scum trying this?"

That said, I am not going to go hunt for examples. I think it's pretty obvious and clear based on general scum theory. #scumtheory. Scum try to blend in and try to win town credit. I have definitely done this as scum. Haven't you?

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Re: M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

#903 Post by worcej » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:47 pm

I am suspicious of Jamie due to how his Tem vote came about. He seemed more passionate about others early and moved towards someone he displayed less passion for.

Vecna/Xorxes have not done much but I am not so concerned about their moves.

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Re: M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

#904 Post by worcej » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:48 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:37 pm
I also think it works the other way. If Tem flips town, I feel like worcej is more likely to be scum. (that's why I would like worcej's elaboration on his townread there before the flip)
When I flip town, what does that make Tem then?

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Re: M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

#905 Post by worcej » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:49 pm

I feel like Balki is setting this up:

Tem town = worcej scum
Tem scum = worcej scum

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#906 Post by brainbomb » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:50 pm

Jamie normally would ask the gm here if sulit is getting modkilled or subbed

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#907 Post by Fluminator » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:50 pm

I don't really have time to point to games where scum do it. I noticed he was throwing shade on people voting the wagon though.
(Just throwing shade, not even questioning these people he was shading)

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Re: M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

#908 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:50 pm

worcej wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:48 pm
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:37 pm
I also think it works the other way. If Tem flips town, I feel like worcej is more likely to be scum. (that's why I would like worcej's elaboration on his townread there before the flip)
When I flip town, what does that make Tem then?
If you are town, then your interactions with Tem don't tell us much about Tem's alignment, unfortunately. You would not have had any extra information that would have influenced your activity.

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Re: M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

#909 Post by rdrivera2005 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:50 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:46 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:43 pm
My point is that I have never seen scum really get credit from defending a town. Usually you get exactly what he is getting now, people thinking you have more info them you should. Could you show me one example of this working?
The question really should not be "can you find an example of this working?" The question should be "can you find an example of scum trying this?"

That said, I am not going to go hunt for examples. I think it's pretty obvious and clear based on general scum theory. #scumtheory. Scum try to blend in and try to win town credit. I have definitely done this as scum. Haven't you?
Since I understood how the game works no. I usually tend to bus to get credit.

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Re: M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

#910 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:51 pm

worcej wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:49 pm
I feel like Balki is setting this up:

Tem town = worcej scum
Tem scum = worcej scum
Then you're not reading my posts.

If Tem is scum, I think you're likely town.

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Re: M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

#911 Post by worcej » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:51 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:46 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:43 pm
My point is that I have never seen scum really get credit from defending a town. Usually you get exactly what he is getting now, people thinking you have more info them you should. Could you show me one example of this working?
The question really should not be "can you find an example of this working?" The question should be "can you find an example of scum trying this?"

That said, I am not going to go hunt for examples. I think it's pretty obvious and clear based on general scum theory. #scumtheory. Scum try to blend in and try to win town credit. I have definitely done this as scum. Haven't you?
Can I ask what posts I have made that is me trying to win town credit?

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Re: M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

#912 Post by Fluminator » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:51 pm

Why are you so certain you're getting lyched worcej? You're not even the top wagon

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Re: M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

#913 Post by damo666 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:51 pm

If sulit now unvotes => modkill

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Re: M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

#914 Post by worcej » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:51 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:51 pm
worcej wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:49 pm
I feel like Balki is setting this up:

Tem town = worcej scum
Tem scum = worcej scum
Then you're not reading my posts.

If Tem is scum, I think you're likely town.
No, I am reading them. You're leaving the opening open to spin the 2nd one imo.

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Re: M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

#915 Post by brainbomb » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:52 pm

so sulit can just not vote at all and theres no penalty

but if she unvotes its a modkill

fix the dipshit ass rules on this goddamn forum ffs

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Re: M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

#916 Post by worcej » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:53 pm

Fluminator wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:51 pm
Why are you so certain you're getting lyched worcej? You're not even the top wagon
I am posting my 'final thoughts' before EOD so that people can go review them. I could easily see damo jumping to me if another person comes and I am now the highest wagon.

Giving you all my thoughts and reads is the most important thing I can do as the 2nd highest wagon. Saying nothing and just flipping is the absolute worst thing I could do.

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Re: M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

#917 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:53 pm

worcej wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:51 pm
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:46 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:43 pm
My point is that I have never seen scum really get credit from defending a town. Usually you get exactly what he is getting now, people thinking you have more info them you should. Could you show me one example of this working?
The question really should not be "can you find an example of this working?" The question should be "can you find an example of scum trying this?"

That said, I am not going to go hunt for examples. I think it's pretty obvious and clear based on general scum theory. #scumtheory. Scum try to blend in and try to win town credit. I have definitely done this as scum. Haven't you?
Can I ask what posts I have made that is me trying to win town credit?
Sure. The one where you come out pretty firmly saying you think that Tem is town without good reasons.

Can you answer my earlier questions? Do you think Town!Tem was actually putting together a reaction test? Or do you think he was just frazzled and made that up, but is frazzled town rather than frazzled scum?

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Re: M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

#918 Post by bozotheclown » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:53 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:56 pm
worcej wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:40 pm
Foxcastle wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:29 pm
Niether of us is going to lynch each other or convince each other today, Worcej. I'm not going to tell you to move your vote, but I don't see any point in going for any more rounds on this during EOD.
Agreed, so let me just say this stuff:

I think Temasek is town. He isn't a veteran or someone I consider 'good' - he strikes me as just bad town trying to live. Because of this, I don't like the votes from Flum, Balki, and Jamie onto him because they seem opportunistic based on Tem's omission of purpose, which is very easy to spin as scum. I just think an okay player would crack like this so quickly.

I think the BB votes are also bad, but not really scummy - Vecna and Bo are intentionally absent (based on my own assessment) and Temasek is just trying incredibly hard to live.

The rest of the votes are noise in chaos imo.
Do you town read Temasek for reasons other than "trying to live", because I would expect scum to try to live also.
Did you answer this question?

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Re: M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

#919 Post by BunnyGo » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:54 pm

worcej wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:53 pm
Fluminator wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:51 pm
Why are you so certain you're getting lyched worcej? You're not even the top wagon
I am posting my 'final thoughts' before EOD so that people can go review them. I could easily see damo jumping to me if another person comes and I am now the highest wagon.

Giving you all my thoughts and reads is the most important thing I can do as the 2nd highest wagon. Saying nothing and just flipping is the absolute worst thing I could do.
+1

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Re: M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

#920 Post by damo666 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:54 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:52 pm
so sulit can just not vote at all and theres no penalty

but if she unvotes its a modkill

fix the dipshit ass rules on this goddamn forum ffs
calm down you narner

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