M53: Mafia 1 Redux

[BunnyGo]

if you take squiggs death as maf driven, bobmcbob rises in scumminess meteorically

Why?

[BunnyGo]

BobMcBob (4) Squigs44 damo666 bozotheclown KalelChase
e.​m.c^42 (3) BunnyGo Foxcastle Jamiet99uk
Jamiet99uk (3) V​ecna Kakarroto brainbomb
BunnyGo (2) Nephthys xorxes
​KalelChase (2) BobMcBob rdrivera2005
bozotheclown (1) K​itsune
flash2015 (1) foodcoats
Foxcastle (1) flash20​15

bob mcbob wagon looks pure in some respects

If Fox was bussing using “policy” as an excuse, I’d given him an out. EMC has agreed to start voting.

[BunnyGo]

DAY ONE FINAL VOTES
e.m.c^42 (5) - Foxcastle, Jamiet99uk, BobMcBob, Kitsune, Vecna
BunnyGo (4) - Nephthys, xorxes, e.m.c^42, brainbomb
BobMcBob (4) - Squigs44, damo666, bozotheclown, KalelChase
Jamiet99uk (2) - Kakarroto, rdrivera2005
damo666 (2) - BunnyGo, flash2015
brainbomb (1) - foodcoats

DAY TWO FINAL VOTES
bozotheclown (6) - BobMcBob, BunnyGo, Kitsune, damo666, Foxcastle, Kakarroto
brainbomb (5) - Jamiet99uk, bozotheclown, KalelChase, foodcoats, rdrivera2005
Kakarroto (1) - flash2015
flash2015 (1) - Vecna
Jamiet99uk (1) - brainbomb

Day 1

Why is Bunny on me and not emc?
If brain = vig surely Kalel = scum or Bob is scum bussing (which means Fox probably not, I doubt 2 bussers). Also Bob is on Bozo D2.

I stated at the time I townread EMC and moved my policy vote close to EOD.

[BunnyGo]

DAY ONE FINAL VOTES
e.m.c^42 (5) - Foxcastle, Jamiet99uk, BobMcBob, Kitsune, Vecna
BunnyGo (4) - Nephthys, xorxes, e.m.c^42, brainbomb
BobMcBob (4) - Squigs44, damo666, bozotheclown, KalelChase
Jamiet99uk (2) - Kakarroto, rdrivera2005
damo666 (2) - BunnyGo, flash2015
brainbomb (1) - foodcoats

DAY TWO FINAL VOTES
bozotheclown (6) - BobMcBob, BunnyGo, Kitsune, damo666, Foxcastle, Kakarroto
brainbomb (5) - Jamiet99uk, bozotheclown, KalelChase, foodcoats, rdrivera2005
Kakarroto (1) - flash2015
flash2015 (1) - Vecna
Jamiet99uk (1) - brainbomb

Day 1

Why is Bunny on me and not emc?
If brain = vig surely Kalel = scum or Bob is scum bussing (which means Fox probably not, I doubt 2 bussers). Also Bob is on Bozo D2.

If those who stayed on EMC to the end I think Kitsune is most likely busser. She was having tech trouble moving her vote and paying attention.

I agree Fox is likely to have moved. I think Bob knows well enough not to sacrifice an experienced teammate by himself.

[BunnyGo]

BunnyGo (4)Nephthys xorxes e.m​.c^42 brainbomb
e.m.c^42 (4)
Foxcastle Jamiet99uk B​obMcBob Kitsune
BobMcBob (4)
Squigs44 damo666 bozot​heclown KalelChase
damo666 (3)
BunnyGo Vecna flash2​015
Jamiet99uk (2)
Kakarroto rdrivera2005
brain​bomb (1)
foodcoats

4 mins to go vote tally. 3 way tie. theres gotta be a scum trying to save emc on bob or bunny unless all 3 tied wagons are scum??

This is (more or less) what I keep saying. And I wouldn't keep on if I was a culprit would I? So Kalel (or Bob) must be scum.

lol. yea.
you would.

also

I agree that Kitsune's impression was much mistaken. I believeth that both Xorxes and Vecna hath been trying to reach some form of conclusions. I think I may take back what I said about Xorxes earlier though, I do not think either he or Vecna seem to have ill intentions at this point.

this post by bob seems pretty advanced for a newb to be able to manufacture

Where’s that bob post from? That does seem out of character.

[BunnyGo]

Kit - Kak - Fox

feels like the right answer

Throw bob there too

[BunnyGo]

kak eon1 reads

About in order I think people are:
Vecna - most likely town
brainbomb - probably town
xorxes - probably town
BobMcBob - leaning town
Nephthys - leaning town
Foxcastle - leaning town
rdrivera200 - townish
BunnyGo - townish
Kitsune - townish
damo666 - in the pool of the last scum
flash2015 - in the pool of the last scum
KalelChase - in the pool of the last scum
Squigs44 - in the pool of the last scum
foodcoats - leaning scum
bozotheclown - leaning scum
Jamiet99uk - I think he is the serial killer

this list looks like kak is scum. definetely

Leaving town on Bob too

[foodcoats]

GG Vecna and Rivera.

My scumreading of damo was based on a belief that damo was protecting brain, but I believe brain's vig claim - I had unvoted him at one point yesterday because he was so obviously claiming it by apologizing to Nephthys and saying he almost shot me - and so now... that doesn't make any sense. And damo kind of... allying? brainbomb now... I'm pretty confident brain and damo town (brain no lynch today and clear tomorrow obviously).

Bob I read as scum for the same reason as damo but is now sort of backing off and saying more reads must be done. Just a gut check but it feels more likely scum!Bob could have been bouncing between two town wagons. Maybe scum thought "We got bozo, so tomorrow we'll obviously get brainbomb," but with the claim now scum!Bob is temporarily without a plan and trying to come up with the right way to read the board.

I think Jamie and Kakarroto are both obvtown. Kit, Fox and Kalel are all still null to me and I will read them more closely today.

The only mark against Jamie, and this goes for Bunny, too, is pushing on some tiny little details in brainbomb's vig claim to press that he was still scum. That's really weird because brain crumbed really obviously in my opinion (and I am pretty thick when it comes to reading PRs) and if it was a fakeclaim it would be resolved anyway. But I think Jamie tends to get psyched up like this. Bunny could've tailed in an effort to drive that wagon. Like, shouldn't Bunny be saying something now like "If I was scum, I wouldn't have roleblocked brainbomb! Why would I do that as scum? brain was sooo scummy." But suddenly Bunny is pressing the attack on brain, instead of telling us what he would do if he were scum - which is what Bunny spent most of the first two days of the game doing.

flash still flying low...

My scumteam now is flash, Bob and Bunny.

##VOTE flash2015

[BunnyGo]

I have to believe that AT LEAST one of Kalel or Damo is scum (I can't believe three Mafia bussed emc, perhaps one or two). This is assuming that of course me and BB are both town.

Agreed. And I'm VT ( as brain says I'm obvious as scum).

##vote Kalel.

If Kalel flips town then very likely that BOTH Bob and Bunny are scum.

Kalel karrot food I think which is a slight shame because Bunny Karrot Food would be much funnier.

Why?

And why not vote bob?

Question: were there no scum on small wagons?

[BunnyGo]

Why does "hmm" Foxcastle rank two places above "probably town" Jamie?

Might be an error. But this was my gut order filling it in.

Your instinct is that Fox is more town than me because hmm.

Could you define "hmm" more specifically?

I just get no read on him. He seems here? Now that I’m writing this out I’m surprised, but when I read the names on the list his just came to the top of “no alarms have gone off”. That said “no obvious town things have either”. I may have put him too high. And probably Damo too low.

[BunnyGo]

GG Vecna and Rivera.

My scumreading of damo was based on a belief that damo was protecting brain, but I believe brain's vig claim - I had unvoted him at one point yesterday because he was so obviously claiming it by apologizing to Nephthys and saying he almost shot me - and so now... that doesn't make any sense. And damo kind of... allying? brainbomb now... I'm pretty confident brain and damo town (brain no lynch today and clear tomorrow obviously).

Bob I read as scum for the same reason as damo but is now sort of backing off and saying more reads must be done. Just a gut check but it feels more likely scum!Bob could have been bouncing between two town wagons. Maybe scum thought "We got bozo, so tomorrow we'll obviously get brainbomb," but with the claim now scum!Bob is temporarily without a plan and trying to come up with the right way to read the board.

I think Jamie and Kakarroto are both obvtown. Kit, Fox and Kalel are all still null to me and I will read them more closely today.

The only mark against Jamie, and this goes for Bunny, too, is pushing on some tiny little details in brainbomb's vig claim to press that he was still scum. That's really weird because brain crumbed really obviously in my opinion (and I am pretty thick when it comes to reading PRs) and if it was a fakeclaim it would be resolved anyway. But I think Jamie tends to get psyched up like this. Bunny could've tailed in an effort to drive that wagon. Like, shouldn't Bunny be saying something now like "If I was scum, I wouldn't have roleblocked brainbomb! Why would I do that as scum? brain was sooo scummy." But suddenly Bunny is pressing the attack on brain, instead of telling us what he would do if he were scum - which is what Bunny spent most of the first two days of the game doing.

flash still flying low...

My scumteam now is flash, Bob and Bunny.

##VOTE flash2015

Scum is stupid? There is only 1 PR left and they aren’t going to RB him?

In any case, I too am surprised by damo backing off Bob.

##VOTE BOB

I can be convinced to do Kalel (maybe kit or kak) if that’s consensus.

[foodcoats]

Actually there does seem to be some consensus on Bob. I submit to the collective unconscious of town... even though Bunny is possibly scum.

##VOTE BobMcBob

[brainbomb]

I feel this is one moment where I will listen.

##Vote bobmcbob

His ISO looks pretty ineffectual. very go with the flow.

[brainbomb]

And what do you know, it turns out that being defensive can actually work. I'm not dead yet. I'm going to play the game how I think I should play it, and that happened to involve defending myself. Heavily. Maybe it was unwise, or there were better options, but I didn't feel like being lynched. And I couldn't think of a better way to stop it. Like I said, happy to listen, happy to learn, but don't expect me to change that quickly.

the ultra defensive play makes alot less sense given he isnt sk or a PR.

[brainbomb]

Looking back on the last hour or so before EoD, (loads of fun, it was quite thrilling to see how it actually panned out), but Kitsune don't look great from the last few minutes there. That attempt to switch to bozo, plus the uncertainty on emc didn't seem very towny. Biggest standout from that last hour for me. (Also brainbomb attempting to roll bunny over to an extra vote looked real bad).

this post by bob is shade throwing on topics that are mostly parroted. He shades both kit and myself.

so its less likely bob would be w/w with kit

[brainbomb]

%201&user=BobMcBob
BobMcBob
Night-1 00:40
page 63 / orig On the off chance I die tonight, here's some quick reads. I'll expand them later if I'm still alive.

Brain looks horrible, I'll probably start tomorrow by voting him. It won't necessarily stay there though.

Kitsune doesn't look great. Especially the EoD looked bad, but not as bad as bb's. Don't like it

Vecna is town. I'm almost certain of it. I don't know why, but he gives off towny vibes through and through, and makes good calls and contributions.

Squigs's push on me sucks, and although he's laid off a bit, I still don't like it. Mild scum on him, which is still pretty high on my list.

Xorxes seems fine, I like his contributions. I don't have much but I'd lean him town.

Jamie seems pretty good, I'm liking him and the way he's going. Townlean.

Nephthys is odd, although not necessarily in a bad way. I give him slight scum but more like SK than anything else.

Bunny is somewhere in my mild scum, for reasons I can't quite recall at this point. I think it had a lot to do with interactions with others though.

I'll be back soon after EoN

uhhhh

[KalelChase]

@Jamie

I think either Bob or Kalel are scum.

What say you?

Damo's been on me for quite a while. Considering how ineffective a town I am that gives him lots of town points in my book. No reason for scum to come after me.

[KalelChase]

if you take squiggs death as maf driven, bobmcbob rises in scumminess meteorically

##Vote Bob

This would explain why emc had to go D1. There were two scum wagons that were too close someone had to get sacrificed.

[brainbomb]

so if bob is scum
maf killed squiggs potentially n1
and sk killed xorx

[brainbomb]

ELABORATION

N1 kill was motivated by bobs fear of squiggs reads. RB on squigg, Kill on Squigg

SK kill on xorx, Xorx doc saved someone on emc wagon