M53: Mafia 1 Redux

[Foxcastle]

if you take squiggs death as maf driven, bobmcbob rises in scumminess meteorically

So the Day 1 wagons would have been T-S-S? Except that BunnyGo was the alternative and his wagon is now pretty much accounted for (Neph, xorx, EMC, you).

[Foxcastle]

Foxcastle
Day-1 00:07
page 42 / orig Jamie also gets ragey when he gets votes without a stated reason. Trying to think of whether that's mostly his town meta

this looks really scummy

I actually just have a really hard time reading Jamiet. I have never recognized him as scum when he is, and have frequently been mistaken in pegging him as scum.

[brainbomb]

BunnyGo (4)Nephthys xorxes e.m​.c^42 brainbomb
e.m.c^42 (4)
Foxcastle Jamiet99uk B​obMcBob Kitsune
BobMcBob (4)
Squigs44 damo666 bozot​heclown KalelChase
damo666 (3)
BunnyGo Vecna flash2​015
Jamiet99uk (2)
Kakarroto rdrivera2005
brain​bomb (1)
foodcoats

4 mins to go vote tally. 3 way tie. theres gotta be a scum trying to save emc on bob or bunny unless all 3 tied wagons are scum??

[brainbomb]

we have 1 scum.accounted for on bunny.

but bobmcbob wagon flips are all still unresolved.

[brainbomb]

By unresolved I mean kalel, bob, and damo.

[damo666]

BunnyGo (4)Nephthys xorxes e.m​.c^42 brainbomb
e.m.c^42 (4)
Foxcastle Jamiet99uk B​obMcBob Kitsune
BobMcBob (4)
Squigs44 damo666 bozot​heclown KalelChase
damo666 (3)
BunnyGo Vecna flash2​015
Jamiet99uk (2)
Kakarroto rdrivera2005
brain​bomb (1)
foodcoats

4 mins to go vote tally. 3 way tie. theres gotta be a scum trying to save emc on bob or bunny unless all 3 tied wagons are scum??

This is (more or less) what I keep saying. And I wouldn't keep on if I was a culprit would I? So Kalel (or Bob) must be scum.

[brainbomb]

BunnyGo (4)Nephthys xorxes e.m​.c^42 brainbomb
e.m.c^42 (4)
Foxcastle Jamiet99uk B​obMcBob Kitsune
BobMcBob (4)
Squigs44 damo666 bozot​heclown KalelChase
damo666 (3)
BunnyGo Vecna flash2​015
Jamiet99uk (2)
Kakarroto rdrivera2005
brain​bomb (1)
foodcoats

4 mins to go vote tally. 3 way tie. theres gotta be a scum trying to save emc on bob or bunny unless all 3 tied wagons are scum??

This is (more or less) what I keep saying. And I wouldn't keep on if I was a culprit would I? So Kalel (or Bob) must be scum.

lol. yea.
you would.

also

I agree that Kitsune's impression was much mistaken. I believeth that both Xorxes and Vecna hath been trying to reach some form of conclusions. I think I may take back what I said about Xorxes earlier though, I do not think either he or Vecna seem to have ill intentions at this point.

this post by bob seems pretty advanced for a newb to be able to manufacture

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damo you just seem like all game youve just flitted around looking fir whatever you could try to get to stick.

[flash2015]

I have to believe that AT LEAST one of Kalel or Damo is scum (I can't believe three Mafia bussed emc, perhaps one or two). This is assuming that of course me and BB are both town.

[brainbomb]

whyd you like the damo wagon eod1?

[Foxcastle]

I have to believe that AT LEAST one of Kalel or Damo is scum (I can't believe three Mafia bussed emc, perhaps one or two). This is assuming that of course me and BB are both town.

I don't buy that multiple scum bussed EMC at all. I'm skeptical even one scum did. In the last 20 minutes, only Vecna moved to EMC, at the last moment. You think that two scum--half the wagon!--sat there and did nothing? The only way that makes sense is if their other options were also scumlynches.

[brainbomb]

I have to believe that AT LEAST one of Kalel or Damo is scum (I can't believe three Mafia bussed emc, perhaps one or two). This is assuming that of course me and BB are both town.

I don't buy that multiple scum bussed EMC at all. I'm skeptical even one scum did. In the last 20 minutes, only Vecna moved to EMC, at the last moment. You think that two scum--half the wagon!--sat there and did nothing? The only way that makes sense is if their other options were also scumlynches.

kit also was last minute. she looked like she moved to bozo with an invalid vote

[brainbomb]

##vote emc

this

Kitsune
Day-1 00:22
page 40 / orig Oof. I was going to do Squigs but I see the Bunny wagon rising.

Let me look at him real quick instead.

Page 43 : g=53&part=Day%201&user=Kitsune

this

Kitsune
Day-1 00:05
page 43 / orig BunnyGo

Runnin​g out of time. But having read through his ISO, I don't see any reasons for a vote here. My strongest townread from ISO actually. Do not lynch this Bunny.

Emc... I'm weakening on. I like his defense and I like his frustrated fury. I feel scumEMC tends to expect death and rolls with it with his usual lighthearted style.

I feel he's scummier than his rival lead wagons, but not scummy enough at this point to lynch.

I'm going back to:

#vote Bozo

Kitsune
Day-1 00:03
page 43 / orig
↑brainbomb: "damo ISO is really terrible.

this seems so out of nowhere lol."

Maybe you're right. I'll read this in Nightphase, don't have time to look into it now and I'm not sheeping you.

Haven't had time to read all of town, so sticking between who I've been looking at.

Kitsune
Day-1 00:02
page 43 / orig
↑Nephthys: "Wow thats scummy. At least have a say in the lynch"

I don't think any of them are Scum!

I'm not going to no-vote, and I'm not going to lynch likely Town just to look Towny.

Get a Damo wagon going and I'll consider joining in. Join my Bozo wagon and I'll lynch him happily.

kit wasnt on bozo at that time.
also


LOOK AT KITS BOZO CASE

Hey Bunny (and EMC). At work right now, which means sneaking on my phone in between orders.

Trying to keep up with the thread and keep some semblance of what’s going on and who’s revealed what relevant information. Won’t be attempting a spreadsheet or Dargo’s Rings until Day 2 at earliest - maybe 3.

I do want to actually advance my own proposal but don’t have any useful suggestions yet on which to base it. Will be thinking for the next couple of hours and hopefully have something for you all when I get home.

In the meantime, D & D characters? Actually looked into those recently, so I’ll be a Halfling Ranger.

Oh, and:

##vote Bozo

zero actual reasoning in here. its just banter.

compared to:

E.M.C

p1-4: nooooothing. EMC being EMC in character. No useful conclusions. Comments that Neph and Kakarroto appear off-meta. NAI

p9-10: NAI. Swimwear issue, irrelevant to game. Suggests rdr is town based on his relaxed posting?

p11-23: SAAAAAY something. Some scum points, because he's wasting time with meaningless chatter. Also aware this is emc's playstyle on Day 1, which is generally useless until after the fact anyway.

p24-now: Scumleans Neph based on cockiness (at least that's how I read it). Aaaand that's it.

Overall: Mild scumlean, based on large chatter (51 posts at time of writing) and no real points or suggestions. High Noise to low signal.

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​BobMcBob

Oof. I saw a reference to players who roleplay as generally being town, and I'll bear this in mind but it hasn't been my observation so I will try to keep Sir Bob's flowery language from pushing my reads in either direction.

p2-5: Despite his comments that Bozo's exercise seems pointless, cooperates. Much flower. Much wow. NAI.

p6-7: some defensiveness to Vecna's push. Doesn't seem excessive. Mild town points.

p13-15: suspects Xorxes for trying too hard.

p16: no longer suspects Xorxes for trying too hard. Mild scum points for the easy swing without developed explanation.

p17-19: discusses Bozo's experiment and its general pointlessness. NAI

p20-23: Not much. Shades Squiggs a bit for being hostile to him. Possible OMGUS? mild scum points.

p24: Omigod it's a reads list. Okay, taking the time to give a reasoned opinion and state your views and case? I like that. I want to give town points for that. But god it's mealy-mouthed as well. Some of that is Day 1 nonsense I know - we don't actually know much - but I'm underwhelmed. Still, mild town points if not strong ones.

p35: rereads wagon against him. I like his views here, they feel a bit less wishy washy than on p24 though obvious omgus bias. Still, not everyone on it is fingered as being scum although I disagree with his reads on Bozo. Maybe Squigs as well, intending on reading him next but seeing the time will post this first.

Overall: Mild townlean.

##vote emc

looks odd. far greater detail put into her emc and bobmcbob reads.

worcej
Night-1 24:00
page 44 / orig ​DAY HAS ENDED. PLEASE HOLD.

BunnyGo
Night-1 24:00
page 44 / orig
↑brainbomb: "ok fine
##Vote bunnygo"

Wow. And kit this is really scummy of you.

Kitsune
Night-1 24:00
page 44 / orig
↑Jamiet99uk: "@Kitsune, you need ## before your choice, not just #Vote. One hash symbol isn't enough
."
Fine. I'm not confident on Bozo either, and I shouldn't policy vote him.

##vote emc it is

This seems like kit tried to lure ppl onto bozo with a fake vote

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##Vote kitsune

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flash saying there was a damo wagon when its too late to even do anything about it is peculiar

[Foxcastle]

I have to believe that AT LEAST one of Kalel or Damo is scum (I can't believe three Mafia bussed emc, perhaps one or two). This is assuming that of course me and BB are both town.

I don't buy that multiple scum bussed EMC at all. I'm skeptical even one scum did. In the last 20 minutes, only Vecna moved to EMC, at the last moment. You think that two scum--half the wagon!--sat there and did nothing? The only way that makes sense is if their other options were also scumlynches.

kit also was last minute. she looked like she moved to bozo with an invalid vote

I'm just going off the vote tracker, so I don't see the invalid vote. She joined more than 20 minutes out. Jamiet was still a possibility at that point and would have made it a 4-way tie, so why bus when you could save? (Though I'll look at your case and reread to see if there was some reason she couldn't jump on Jamiet/Bunny/Bob.) Nobody left the EMC wagon in the last 2 hours (Kalel was the last person to jump off, 2:07 out), but there was plenty of activity, so that says to me scum were not on the EMC wagon.

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at about 3 min left she says #vote bozo and encourages ppl to join her on bozo wagon

problem: she isnt on the bozo wagon

both jamie and I tell her that her vote wasnt valid and she revotes emc post end if day. but her invalid vote doesnt show up in the vc

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her case on bozo

welp
it doesnt exist. there isnt any case on bozo

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im just gonna adjust my gameview to this:

the most vocal people are often the most hard headed, most contentious and unreasonable. Bunny, damo, jamie, me
and usually that is town

the least vocal. most lurky, most uninvolved are usually most likely to get away with fmi reads, laziness.
usually thats scum

that would put scum as kit flash fox foodcoats territory

[brainbomb]

*tmi*