M53: Mafia 1 Redux

[BunnyGo]

The ballad of Damo coming up. Some teasers:

The NKs

Presumably:

Xorxes RBd and killed by scum
Squigs: SK target
Neph: Misguided vig shot.

Brain badvig?

I mean if we're not already sure of Brainbomb's guilt, this is a brazen admission.

Maybe he is vig and thought about shooting food rather than Neph. Hence when Neph flips town bb => meltdown mode. Just a thought.

##vote brain

Going to sleep soon, gonna leave this here for now. ##Vote damo

[BunnyGo]

you and your two bit little brigade of bullshit are done. im not gonna tolerate it any further.

I DEMAND
jamies death
right now.

I get that. because im clear

Honestly though, what actions do you think happened night 2.

My understanding is you claim that:

Night 1: You shot Neph, SK and Scum killed other 2.
Night 2: You tried to shoot someone (not clear whom, Kak?) but were RBd. So, what else happened?

[BunnyGo]

interesting logic.

so the vig has 3 shots in that reasoning

How are you counting to 3? In that scenario vig has only shot once so far (night 1) and shoots you next (night 3). And held shot on night 2.

3 deaths n1
2 deaths last night.
sk killed by maf
vecna killed by maf

wheres the vig shot

Because you don't seem to have a coherent answer to my question in the previous posts, and this is mildly disturbing. It suggests that you're not thinking hard enough about the game, and I really hate it when my vig isn't focusing enough.

[BunnyGo]

The other thing I don't understand:

Since you're the Vig, why do you claim it at all like you did? You were the last PR, and you basically told the scum team to RB you. Even if you were the SK (as you actually claimed most of the night), you were telling them to RB you because you were going to target them.

Why neuter yourself that way?

[BunnyGo]

Anyways, like I said, I'm willing to posit you're the Vig. If that's wrong, I expect you to be shot tonight by the actual Vig who doesn't need to claim anything...

In the meantime, there are lots of fun ballads to research.

[brainbomb]

Youre basically gaslighting me. which is pretty low.

again, for what youre saying to be true a real vig is out there with 3 shots.
or a real vig is out there who actually got roleblocked and just isnt claiming.

its all about thread flooding and time wasting. your goal was to get me to talk and talk and turn the entire phase inti defendimg myself so much that all other talk is drowned out.

im here to apologize.
i lost my cool.
No need to insult you or tell you to shut the fuck up.

but how you are pushing me is bordering on discriminatory towards me as a person. you are actively trying to represent me in a dehumanizing manner that is not fair.

dont lecture me about not knowing my role. this play is beneath you as a player. to push a condescending angle like that.

you should know better than to get that foul.

[brainbomb]

In the excitement of the moment I did forget that my shot isnt used up. I was excited to see that the sk had died and id basically gotten defacto confirmed.

I was fully expecting to die. I didnt have a survival plan. my goal was to act so insane and kill baity that it caused scum to doubt my claim and think they could get away with lynching me.

[brainbomb]

I figured sk wouldnt shoot me given I was laying cover for them

I cant tell you why rivera killed vecna. that you can ask him postgame.

[brainbomb]

lets move on from this topic. and lynch jamie.

[BobMcBob]

Sorry guys, stuff is getting busy and I won't have time to post those reads today. I'll still try to contribute as much as possible, but that may not be very much.

[Jamiet99uk]

lets move on from this topic. and lynch jamie.

I'm town.

Let's lynch scum instead.

[damo666]

3 deaths n1
2 deaths last night.
sk killed by maf
vecna killed by maf

wheres the vig shot

SK didn't get a shot off night 2?

That is a good question (which I raised before too)

##CALL GM If mafia shoot the SK and SK shoots someone else, does the SK shot happen?

This needs answering before we can proceed much further.

[Jamiet99uk]

Notwithstanding my earlier advice, do people think that if Brain is not the Vig, the real Vig should claim, or not?

Which is more important? Confirming Brainbomb's guilt or innocence, or keeping the second Vig shot so it can be used tonight?

Opinions, please?

[Jamiet99uk]

SK didn't get a shot off night 2?

That is a good question (which I raised before too)

##CALL GM If mafia shoot the SK and SK shoots someone else, does the SK shot happen?

This needs answering before we can proceed much further.

The answer is clear from the OP. Read the order of night actions.

All kills are simultaneous.

[damo666]

I'm kind of not caught up with everything that's happening I have to admit. I'll try to throw out some more reads on people I haven't looked at much yet, but that will be some time later tomorrow. I'll also take a closer look at EoD yesterday.

Scumslip or just survival assumption?

[damo666]

Notwithstanding my earlier advice, do people think that if Brain is not the Vig, the real Vig should claim, or not?

Which is more important? Confirming Brainbomb's guilt or innocence, or keeping the second Vig shot so it can be used tonight?

Opinions, please?

If there is a non brain vig they should not claim as they would invite roleblock.
I would treat any cc as scum. Even if the lead wagon cc'd I would ignore it.

I strongly think brain is badvig as I previously guessed.

If there is another vig they can just shoot brain.

[damo666]

That is a good question (which I raised before too)

##CALL GM If mafia shoot the SK and SK shoots someone else, does the SK shot happen?

This needs answering before we can proceed much further.

The answer is clear from the OP. Read the order of night actions.

All kills are simultaneous.

More likely brain RB'd vig then.

[Jamiet99uk]

##UnVOTE

If Brain is lying the real Vig better shoot him tonight.

[damo666]

@Jamie

I think either Bob or Kalel are scum.

What say you?

[BunnyGo]

Youre basically gaslighting me. which is pretty low.

again, for what youre saying to be true a real vig is out there with 3 shots.
or a real vig is out there who actually got roleblocked and just isnt claiming.
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Quote and answer my question directly. Read it very very clearly. Because you are completely 100% wrong. I will spell it out in little words here.

1) There's no difference between you being RBd and a different vig holding his shot voluntarily. None. Zero. Zilch.

1b (saying it again differently) It's the same thing for a different vig to voluntarily not shoot as it is for you to be RBd.

Please answer these two questions:

Question 1) What actions are you claiming happened last night so that the deaths that occurred did occur?

I'll answer it for you here, you just need to say "yes, that's it" or "no, that's not it"


Night 2 actions:

BB tries to shoot <person>
BB is roleblocked by scum team
Scum team kills RDR
RDR kills Vecna



Question 2) What night actions would have to happen in the scenario that you are not the vig for those deaths to have happened last night? (I'll answer this again, just read carefully and say yes or no--if you say no, please elaborate)

Night 2:

Vig holds shot
Scum team kills RDR
Scum team RBs BB
RDR kills Vecna


I think literally every player here except you realizes this is possible, and legal, and functionally equivalent. I also think that without your claim it was damn likely since the vig should be holding his shot instead of killing more town randomly.



Now, I'll repeat my other major statement in small words: I don't really care. If there is another vig, they should NOT claim. But tonight they SHOOT YOU. So, as far as I'm concerned. you are the vig (until proven otherwise).