M53: Mafia 1 Redux

[Kitsune]

Ugh... for god's sake Bozo!!!

A literal last minute claim with no backing? I'd probably have swapped onto voting you if I'd seen it and I hadn't already.

Completely understand Rdr's vote, even if it came through late.

[Kitsune]

Right well... I'm going to finish off my reading and see if I missed anything glaring. I'm up to p74, so there's a bit.

Will try my tool on and aim to have my initial findings ready to present by just before EoN.

[foodcoats]

Ugh... for god's sake Bozo!!!

A literal last minute claim with no backing? I'd probably have swapped onto voting you if I'd seen it and I hadn't already.

Completely understand Rdr's vote, even if it came through late.

Don't blame bozo. That wagon shot from 3rd to lead in seconds. For no reason as far as i can tell.

[rdrivera2005]

What a clusterfuck. I take my share of the blame. I didn't know who to vote and decided to get reactions, but Bozo were my last option of the three.

[Kitsune]

Ugh... for god's sake Bozo!!!

A literal last minute claim with no backing? I'd probably have swapped onto voting you if I'd seen it and I hadn't already.

Completely understand Rdr's vote, even if it came through late.

Don't blame bozo. That wagon shot from 3rd to lead in seconds. For no reason as far as i can tell.

I'm not saying Bozo was obvious scum, believe me I know how messy his meta can be (since he's been the one recurring player I've generally kept a close eye on since I started playing here).

I thought he felt the scummiest given his meta as I understood it, and I stand by that even though I was wrong.

My comment was based on his very last last minute claim, giving no one time to think or react.

But... I take your point as I look at the vote times. Really? Four vote swing in the last five minutes (counting Rdr who came in late)?

[Kakarroto]

I misread bozo, I really thought he was mafia. It made so much sense. I thought he was scum playing one last prank with his last comment. Well I'm wrong obviously. I need to read what I've missed. If only we had lynched jamie.

[Kitsune]

I misread bozo, I really thought he was mafia. It made so much sense. I thought he was scum playing one last prank with his last comment. Well I'm wrong obviously. I need to read what I've missed. If only we had lynched jamie.

That's what I was saying!

Without knowing he was town, I saw a last minute PR claim as "I don't really have a case, but I'm hoping I can spook someone into moving off my wagon onto Brain's".

So it actually confirmed his scumminess in my eyes.

20:20 hindsight he was surprised by the flashmob I guess. I wish he'd at least gotten his N1 read out.

[flash2015]

I was following along whilst out shopping and thought Bozo was the scum....but I really had no confidence in that belief so I didn't move.

Could this have been T v T v T?

[Jamiet99uk]

You should have lynched Brainbomb.

RIP Bozo.

[Jamiet99uk]

I am cop

I'm sorry but I'm going to post right here:

BOZO, YOU IDIOT.

You claimed so late it couldn't change the outcome.

Where were you?

Why didn't you claim?

Jesus, Bozo, you're a fucking asshole.

[BobMcBob]

Geez, that was a horrible lynch. Our cop and doc are dead, and our vig is incopetent. This is not looking good...

[Vecna]

nicely done lads

[Vecna]

and he didnt even give his n1 result did he?

[foodcoats]

I am cop

I'm sorry but I'm going to post right here:

BOZO, YOU IDIOT.

You claimed so late it couldn't change the outcome.

Where were you?

Why didn't you claim?

Jesus, Bozo, you're a fucking asshole.

It literally happened in less than 5 minutes. Going to look at it again now.

[foodcoats]

Obscene. damo tied the wagons with 4 minutes to go. rdr RE-tied them with 2 minutes to go.

[foodcoats]

Having reviewed the bozo wagon... damo is seriously scummy. Bunny actually comes out looking better. Bunny was the only person who actually deigned to make a case against bozo. I don't really agree with it but I am only seeing it now with hindsight, and the fact that Bunny put a lot of effort into it shows to me that he was hunting scum and is therefore probably town.

Clipping it because it is very long:

The ballad of Bozo:
...

What's funny about this is that damo specifically says he can't be bothered to read Bunny's case, but he still flipflops around and manages to end up landing on bozo. The explanation we get from damo is not only patently absurd, it is verifiably scummy:

Looking at the 3 main wagons day 1 and considering there were at least 2 town on each of the 4 vote wagons there surely must be AT LEAST one scum among brain bozo and Kalel.

We do NOT know there were two town on each of the four-vote wagons D1. Neph and xorx were on Bunny, Squigs was on Bob. My guess is that scum!damo thought that two of the people on the emc wagon were strongly townread and therefore they "were" town to town, and of course they are town from damo's perspective. Nevermind that you can't just make assumptions and derive a scumteam from it. Just knowing X number of town doesn't tell you that scum are dispersed in a certain way on the wagons. But damo declines to actually do the legwork to find scum and doesn't even care about Bunny's case. damo remains infinitely flexible, moves around to "see what happens," and winds up lynching bozo because...?

Below is another example. I get that damo is a mathematician or whatever but you cannot solve Mafia this way. You need at least one caught scum to even bother doing this. Am I just a pleb or is it not true that you can't solve for X with no known variables? This is damo making it look like he is hunting, except that the entire premise of doing things this way is invalid. It is super scummy.

Both brain and bunny had terrible EOD1s.
However I don't think they are scum together.

Possible scumteams:

Bunny Bozo Kalel
Bunny Bozo + kak or rdr
Bunny Kalel + kak or rdr
Brain Bozo Kalel
Brain Bozo + 1 (Fox the Busser)
Brain Kalel + 1 (Fox?)

Possible scumteam count

Brain 7
Bozo 7
Kalel 7
Bunny 5
Kak 4
rdr 4
Fox 2

Bob also looks incredibly scummy in their move to bozo. They plant some hedges in the quote below, and a little later after brain pushes on him, Bob issues a bozo vote.

I hate how people still think I would've gone for emc at EoD over Jamie to save myself if I was scum. It doesn't make sense. I'm less good than emc, I wouldn't risk a lynch of a fellow mafia to save myself. I'm not that illusioned at my worth as a player.

And I think I'm gonna hop off the brain wagon for a bit ##Unvote
I like bunny's case on bozo, and to be fair I never liked his "brilliant plan" this game. It didn't seem particularly inspired. I'm not sure, I may jump on his wagon later once I've looked over his posts myself. I have other things to attend to though, like the Masters Round 4.

I also pulled some suspect quotes from rdr that I have removed, because I think rdr is more likely town and mislynched. I don't like that rdr slagged Kit for a late move to bozo at EOD D1 and will later go on to do it himself on D2, and how he tells bozo that he's not going to end up on him at the end of D2, and then does; and I also don't like how rdr says he's going to iso bozo but does not. But I felt like rdr's EOD was panicked, which is in contrast to some of the other vote flipping happening at the end.

[foodcoats]

I'll be more or less offline the rest of this phase but I think Bunny and rdr are town, I think damo is scum, Bob is probably scum, brain is probably still scum. brain repeatedly SK-reading Bob fits into that, it's like a bus and it protects Bob temporarily because town benefits from SK in the short term, and damo also flip-flopped between brain and bozo, getting bus cred if brain went but ultimately finding his way to get the ML on bozo by drawing a rush by creating the tie 4 minutes before EOD.

[brainbomb]

A

[damo666]

@food see if you can work out why I knew for certain there were at least 2 town on those wagons.

I deliberately tied the vote because I was torn between bozo and brain (and I think Jamie is town) so I could see how people jumped. I thought it would help with VCA. I believe I actually said this at the time.

[damo666]

I was following along whilst out shopping and thought Bozo was the scum....but I really had no confidence in that belief so I didn't move.

Could this have been T v T v T?

Yes